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  1. 4 hours ago, Iffy Signals said:

    New User, Saying Hi All. 🫣

    The “eyeballs I attracted” with my Versa videos were also from RUTUS. When the testing videos can help the end user make a decision (potentially saving them money, or moving ahead with a purchase) and equally important a company moving ahead with an update based on my findings.. Those are the only views I am looking for. 
     

    *The next Versa update is already in the works.
     

    Take Care, Mike

    Hi Mike,

    Welcome to the forum. If you took my comment personally there is no need to as I was not referring to you or anyone specifically. It only applies to you if you think it applies to you and I'd assume you are not one of "those guys?" If you did take offense I do apologize as it was not my intent to be commenting on you or what you do in any way. Just general nonsense I have seen on YouTube the last few years prompted my comment.

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  2. Nowhere does AlgoForce refer to ferrous versus non-ferrous discrimination per se. It specifically refers to the Conductive Target ID - in other words, a measurement of how conductive the target is whether ferrous or non-ferrous.

    Most GBPI users have savvied to the fact that the high and low tones give a rough indication of target size. A hi or hi-lo tone usually means small or low conductive targets and a low or lo-hi tone usually means large or high conductive targets. You get ferrous either way, just small ferrous on one side and large ferrous on the other. However, in certain gold locations concentrating on hi or hi-lo tones only can be remarkably effective at cherry picking gold nuggets out of a nail pit. Most gold I find almost always gives a hi-lo tone.

    Minelab employs a method where targets blank if ferrous, and Garrett the target grunts if ferrous. What makes the AlgoForce different is instead of the "this or that", "yes or no" answer of two categories you get a full range indication, which with experience should lead to more nuance in what can be dug and what can be ignored.

    For more details on how pulse discrimination works see my long analysis at the thread below....

     

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  3. Welcome to the forum. All I can say is skip the Gold Bug Pro as the Time Ranger is literally the same detector but with more features for a lower price. Defining feature between it and the Kruzer is the Kruzer is fully waterproof.

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  4. 18 minutes ago, dig4gold said:

    Bugger. 🙄  I was hoping it might be a magic wand. So still be digging all those bullets & other non ferrous items that litter the gold fields, as per normal.

    D4G

    OK, now that WOULD be magical. It actually could have limited use. Like here in the states you will have a place where a person with a .22 rifle went nuts shooting at stuff. Little cartridges everywhere. They have a consistent id and you can ignore them. Of course a nugget that read like one would be missed, but odds are most nuggets would read as something else. But in general the best we nugget hunters can hope for is decent ferrous discrimination, and even it always comes with risks. When in doubt, dig it out!

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  5. 31 minutes ago, dig4gold said:

    What machines/coils are they using.

    D4G

    New thread please. Refer to zillions of threads about old SD GP and GPX modded machines and GPZ 7000 threads, some quite recent. There are plenty of deep seeking options but this thread is for people interested in this detector, not whatever Minelab it is that you all are wanting.

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  6. More on static non-motion. It is all about the detector autotune function. Before autotune you had a fixed threshold and any motion of the machine affected that threshold, calling for constant manual retuning, usually via a threshold reset button. Then autotune replaced that button, with machines constantly automatically trying to bring the threshold back to the preset level. If you hover over a target it disappears. The White's V/SAT was innovative in that it gave you the ability to vary the retune rate via "Variable Self Adjusting Threshold". It is the all metal version of reactivity. I go into the subject and it's history in great detail in the article below.

    PI went though a similar evolution from manual tuning to autotune threshold as anyone can see fast if you simply stop the coil over a target. Most PI detectors have no pinpoint no-motion mode at all.

     

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  7. 47 minutes ago, jasong said:

    This was way before my time so I'm probably missing some terminology, but what does he mean by a fully static machine? And in what way did that end up being a flaw?

    I'm also curious if @Geotech could explain what the mechanism for TID was on this early PI, was it also done with just mono coils and not DD?

    Interesting stuff. 

    Static means non-motion, and if you are thinking normal motion mode detecting it is a fatal flaw. All detectors sold today work on a motion mode principle where they need to be in motion to detect. Why did they not see the obvious - make it the pinpoint mode, which are static / non-motion modes? Another mystery to me but in any case it looks to be that is what this machine is doing. As far as patents these days it reveals your method and encoding in firmware gives better protection in some cases. Or it is based on something Dave patented and expired already. Whatever, as long as it works. I hope. I am sure it will have limitations of some sort. There always is.

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  8. 17 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

    EMI is the main reason for me anyway along with ground handling.

    Since I like to use PIs for coin, jewelry and relic hunting, that is not always done at sites with little or no EMI. Just the opposite. Having a DD/Cancel option eliminates most of the EMI and does a good job of eliminating/discriminating smaller trash targets when I am concentrating on bigger coin/jewerly/relic targets.

    Got ya. I guess it just remains to be seen if that is a problem that needs a solution.

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  9. 6 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

    I don't like no DD coils or a Cancel feature.

    Just curious. If mono in general detects better than DD, and if you can get discrimination with a mono coil, what is it that a person needs a heavier DD coil for?

    algoforce-e1500-detector.jpg

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  10. 2 minutes ago, phrunt said:

    Certainly not me, that was a point of great excitement 🙂  The coin, jewellery and relic hunters in the US that use PI's should be super excited about that.  The other thing is it's reported to be a stable target ID.

    Read that article I just posted - I am getting one asap, love it, right up my alley, going to have fun with this one for sure!! Go FCC go!!!

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  11. 18 hours ago, EL NINO77 said:

      ...It is also a surprise..that some "experienced American testers" do not know how the detector works from the negative scales of the VDI identification target..which was the domain of the American detectors of the Whites brand...how to use such a negative discrimination setting for better detection of non-ferrous metals target... where for some experienced detectorists it is a normal everyday practice...

    No surprise at all. Job one is to attract eyeballs by either being entertaining or being controversial. Being first also beat being right. Being knowledgeable is low on the list when it comes to getting an audience. Some of the most ignorant people making the wildest claims can attract the widest audiences in this day and age.

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  12. 5 hours ago, karelian said:

    I hope this machine succeeds and the company goes on to bigger and better. It's price point does not challenge the leaders in the game, it is a much lower priced option. I'm old enough to remember when MInelab started out with VLF machines and then succeeded with their PI machines. Starting at a lower price is a smart move for a company given the dominance of the competion.  Ground grab is a step up for some of us on a PI, coming from older White's Tdi machines. Quality of manufacture, operational stability, accuracy of the ground balance, performance in the field are other factors and the real important questions for me. For operators of the latest Minelab machines this machine is a step back, but at this price point some of us are  still interested. For the money I do not expect a 'Holy Grail' detector, but I do like what I see and find myself interested in the potential.   It is what it is, not a Minelab.. Size, weight, power and coil options all combine to make a light weight budget PI. I for one can live without ground tracking if a ground grab function is stable and accurate. Very early days and looking forward to user experience and videos. As an Australian I hope we have another successful metal detector manufacturer following in the footsteps of Minelab. Healthy competition, local jobs and it is just all good for electronic prospects to have more budget friendly options.

    All the best.

    Totally agree, could not have said it better myself! :smile:

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  13. 7 minutes ago, abenson said:

    For now it only looks like it will only ship to Australia. I just tried to order one. But apparently they have stock to ship. Too bad would love to try one out.

    They may be seeking U.S. dealers and usually you limit dealers to selling only in their own country or region, so not surprising. But what is best is none of that vaporware new detector coming wait forever routine we have been saddled with as of late. :smile:

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