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It was not all the fact the forum software was dysfunctional. The freedom of speech so highly touted there was really due to there being no moderator, Wally always being busy and Tom out of the loop. Quite a few well known posters from past times were run off by trolls due to the lack of moderation. This forum was actually set up in direct response to unmoderated forums, almost all of which have now died away completely. I don’t see those people returning no matter what software is running the place as long as trolls are given free rein.
Here is the link to Tom’s Old Forum
and here is the direct link to Tom’s New Forum
I wish them well, lots of great info posted there over the years.
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1 hour ago, Ndplumr said:
I agree. I fully expect to be waiting for at least a year. Hopefully you, and maybe some other experienced detector operators in the US will be able to get some test units in your hands much sooner and give us some good knowledge of how they do on our soil.
That I do not expect at all. Months maybe, but not a year.
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Sadly I think it will be later than sooner. Not only are there FCC issues to take care of, but decisions regarding U.S. pricing, possible dealers, and most importantly, service. Faced with more demand then they can handle right now there is no reason for them to rush any of that. I don't want to be a bummer but I'm afraid people here just need to take a chill pill for now.
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32 minutes ago, dig4gold said:
this detector is no miracle machine despite its cool features.
Nobody ever said it was a miracle machine so this is a classic straw man presentation. This whole idea of this needing to outperform the GPX 6000 and GPZ 7000 at one third the price or less was brought up before, and I flat out said no, just go use the GPX 6000 and be happy. Same still applies here. If that is what anyone is looking for then look elsewhere.
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On 2/6/2024 at 4:34 PM, Ndplumr said:So many threads about this detector now, it's hard to keep track of them. Does it qualify for its own section yet? Just thought it might help keep all the information easier to find.
Been thinking some more about this. I’m convinced this detector is a real winner and that there are going to be lots of owners looking for a forum home. I’m also sure this is not the end but just the beginning for AlgoForce with more models in the future. So I’m going to go ahead and set up a new forum, and move all the existing threads there by the end of the day.
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Probably nothing, but on a high power PI you could also blow the front end circuit. Less a worry with the AA 12V units but you can bet an issue with SD/GP/GPX and GPZ high power detectors. Even them you’ll probably get away with it, but why run the risk?
From the GPX 5000 manual:
“Always ensure that the control box is turned off before connecting or disconnecting the coil to avoid damage to the detector's electronics”
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5 hours ago, dig4gold said:
I couldn't agree more Steve but that is the difference between doing this for money or doing it as a hobby. I would have at a guess that most hobbies don't make money but are done because the people doing it see it as an escape from their usual daily grind. Food for the soul. Be it fishing, hunting, hiking, skiing etc. A lot of those activities come at quite a high cost. Fishing involves having a boat with all the expenses that go with owning & running a boat. Would be cheaper just to buy the fish from a shop, but it isn't always about just catching a fish. It is the whole journey with some mates & the places you go to. Same with gold detecting. Depends how you look at it why you are really doing it. Gold detecting involves hiking, gets you out doors, you experience the 4 seasons in all its glory & what nature offers in those 4 seasons. The Autumn colours , the spring time blooming of wild flowers, the critters you see etc. Ok, the gold has a value but so to do the other things out there. Like I said, food for the soul. Not everything is about money for everybody
But I get your point.
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I can do all that just hiking and camping. Better probably since I would not be so focused on my detector and the ground. If it was just for the fun and experience you can go detect for copper nuggets. Why don’t people do that? Because no matter what there is a hope, a dream of finding the big one. The other things are icing on the cake - but they are not the cake. I’m betting that if I could give people 100% assurance they had zero chance of finding anything of value, quite a few people here would find other ways to go see a sunset.
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47 minutes ago, GeoBill said:
How do you think the miner John/Razerback folded mono coils would perform? He made some very small ones. I don't remember if it was resolved, but was the "Hi-Q" coil that Whites was selling with the SL after Miner John's place burned, White's attempt at a folded mono?
No way to know without trying them. I’ve never really been a fan of the dual fields or folded mono coil, preferring a straight up mono myself. These coils are attempting to solve issues with edge sensitivity, which is exactly what I like about mono coils. The Hi-Q was just an attempt to sell dual field under a new name as far as I know.
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4 hours ago, dig4gold said:
No, but it will with its newer technology find gold missed by other detectors on old patches. Look at the success of the 6000. Most new release gold detectors/coils have that ability to bring old patches back to coughing up a few more bits. Maybe not as big but often lots of smaller stuff. It all adds up.
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It’s also true that diminishing returns is a real thing. Spending ever more money for ever less gold is not sustainable forever. I did this for profit and made good money at it up until the release of the 7000 and for several years after. Yes, the 6000 kept the number count up, but the weight dropped off dramatically. I finally shut the doors a couple years ago on my small gold mining company business license after turning steady profits since 1979. I simply could not reliably cover expenses anymore, let alone turn a decent profit. The fact is the glory days are over but few want to admit it. I officially entered the ranks of hobbyist detectorist and still enjoy getting out and having a bit of fun looking for gold, but I’m far less motivated now than I was when I was getting 1/4 oz a day minimum. It’s been a couple years since I got more than an ounce in a day, something I used to do regularly.
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Quartz by itself is one of the most common rocks on the planet and means nothing at all by itself. All it means is you found quartz. I have never seen so much quartz in my life as I saw wandering around Australia, but 99.9% of it is worthless.
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Another tidbit on coils. Minelab coils are generally compatible with the White's TDI and the reverse is also true. This means that most TDI coils will likely work on the E1500 though there is no guarantee of this. My sense is that the TDI was very forgiving on coils and so could use Minelab coils, but that there is an actual difference. Luckily the E1500 can adjust for quite a bit of range between coils. Just like not getting a DD coil just to try I'm not sure I'd get a TDI coil specifically for the E1500, but there were some very different coils made for the TDI that I would like to try myself. Specifically a little 4x6 mono, the smallest mono I have ever heard of that is not a pinpointer.
The TDI dual fields are a type of mono coil with an inner and outer coil running at the same time and should function properly with the E1500. The inner coil design was specifically intended to boost the inner small gold sensitivity on larger mono coils, which are typically edge sensitive and weaker in the middle on the tiny bits.
The old Coiltek PI pinpointers for the Minelabs should also work on the E1500.
Various Jimmy Sierra coils for the White's TDI- 7
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I sent Alex some general questions about coils and connections. First, while damage is unlikely, the detector should not be powered on without a coil attached. Also, coils should not be connected or disconnected while the detector is powered up.
The E1500 is designed specifically for the use of mono coils and is wired to run one winding as both transmit and receive coil - the definition of a mono coil. A DD coil may be attached to the E1500 and it will normally operate but with only one half the coil active. One half of the DD coil will act as a mono coil, and the other half will simply remain an open circuit. The is identical to what happens with Minelab GP and GPX models when you run a DD coil in mono mode. From the GPX 5000 manual:
"Using a Double D coil, running in Mono will often increase the sensitivity of the detector but may also be a little more unstable in heavily mineralised ground. Pinpointing is not centred in the middle of the coil, but to the left side, and may give a complex signal when the target is very close to the coil. It is recommended you use the left edge of the coil to pinpoint shallow targets."
To clarify, when they say that the detector may be more unstable in heavily mineralized ground, they mean compered to the DD coil being run in DD mode. Running it in mono mode turns the coil into a smaller, hotter mono coil, which not only increases it's sensitivity to small gold but also ground and hot rock effects.
Alex emphasized that they did no testing with DD coils but that there is no problem giving them a try. This raises interesting possibilities for people who own a DD coil and want to try it. For instance, a Minelab Commander 10" x 5" DD coil would be transformed into a roughly 10" x 3" mono coil if attached to the E1500. It would obviously still be the same physical size and weight, but also might be a very sharp small gold coil that would cover a decent swath of ground. As the DD coils get larger you would be paying a significant size and weight penalty, but on 11" and smaller coils they are light enough already it should not pose an issue. And mind you, I am not recommending people run out and get DD coils to do this. It is just that there are a lot of these coils out there sitting unused and perhaps a E1500 user will already have one, or get one dirt cheap to play with.
Good article here by forum member Nenad (phasetech) on mono and DD coil differences.
Algoforce E1500 Specifications & Manuals
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13 hours ago, dig4gold said:I don't know why you guys even waist your time posting about these.
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To troll for questions about why anyone would post this kind of stuff. Also it's my forum and I'll post whatever I want - since I got a chuckle out of it I thought some other people might also.
But really it is not bad for people to see this stuff and then see comments from knowledgeable people about what they think about them. It's a form of education for those that do not know.
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Pi Question - Coils Power On & Off
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I would never worry about powering up a control box without a coil attached. On the other extreme, I would never under any circumstances want to connect or disconnect a coil on a GPZ 7000 if it was powered up, but due to the way you have to half disassemble the detector to do this it is unlikely anyone would. On the other Minelabs Carl is probably right but it is also something I would never do. We are creatures of habit, and developing a habit of being sure a detector of any sort is not powered up when connecting or disconnecting a coil will never cause you grief. You can't say the same the other way around so do please just look at it as good practice. And again...
From the GPX 5000 and earlier manuals:
“Always ensure that the control box is turned off before connecting or disconnecting the coil to avoid damage to the detector's electronics”