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  1. 45 kHz is more than sufficient for gold prospecting. You need look no further than Gold Monster and 24K to see that. Also true that difference between 40 and 45 kHz is insignificant. 9” round coil is just fine for prospecting. If the Deus II has a proper Gold Mode, there is zero reason why it could not be an excellent gold prospecting detector.
  2. The 9” round HF is out also, so kind of moot. The XP controllers are just that, controllers. There is no reason to exclude existing coils, unless the intent is to insure the existing models remain viable. That means they need some exclusive features of their own. Frequencies above 45 kHz and prospecting capability may be just that differentiating factor, if not for Deus, then certainly for ORX. All I know is I’m already well set for gold prospecting VLFs, and see nothing here that would add to that capability. If I could have my cake and eat it also, with this model having full coil and mode compatibility, I’d probably bite. Looks like I may have to wait for Deus III, however, to get all that all in one machine. The owners manual will tell me all I need to know, so will wait on that at least, before truly deciding.
  3. Realistically my entire next season will be focused on piling up gold with the GPX 6000, so I’d best just sit this one out. Sure looks great though, the toy buyer impulse button sure wants to get pressed. If it could use the HF elliptical coil I just might have pulled the trigger, but lacking that I’ll have to sit back and watch others have fun with this one. Water hunters are going to have a ball, I’m sure, and park hunters should like the improved target id that comes with multi. Be interesting to see if the multi can offer anything genuine for the dense ferrous hunters, as XP already has set a super high bar there.
  4. Bummer, no HF coils. I guess I have to hope for a Gold Mode with these MF coils that are in the ballpark. But no coil smaller than 9” round at the moment either. So I may be out but that’s just because of my prospecting focus. If I was more water oriented it would be a no brainer. Still might be though, I have a Tarsacci I could ditch for this. Looks like a real winner, good for XP!
  5. Well, underwater wired headphones for starters.
  6. Choose the Multi Frequency programs or between 49 single frequencies from 4 to 45 kHz On XP website: https://www.xpmetaldetectors.com/en/gamme/deus-ii-detectors.php Two model options, one with 9” coil, or another with 11” coil. No manual that I can see yet. This may not have option to use existing coils.
  7. There will have to be a workaround as wireless transmission and water do not mix. That’s just physics folks. But I’m sure it’s a well thought out option, so not worried about it. We have a real contender here, no doubt about it. Waterproof to 20 meters? I see Equinox users who want true waterproof moving this way, unless the price is totally nuts. Fingers crossed for ability to use HF coils and Gold Mode. I’ll want to see that owners manual ASAP. Is one up yet? Big selling point for me? I always hated those tiny Deus buttons - these I can press with gloves on! 🙂
  8. Hard for me to believe, but since I started this thread in 2017, we have actually gone backwards. The QED has proven to be a false lead, with so many problems come to light I can no longer recommend the unit at all. White’s the company is now gone, and TDI with it. The GPX 6000 does much better on ergonomics, really nice as far as weight and balance, but is priced so high as to not come close to the goals stated in this thread. Nokta/Makro is so focused on multi that PI has all but been forgotten. The Fisher Impulse Gold shows the greatest promise, but it’s stuck in development hell, and nobody seems sure it will ever see the light of day. So here we are, all these years later, and the over 7 lb Garrett ATX is the only ground balancing PI that comes close to hitting the price goal, though the weight is as far off as it can be. The goal on this thread was under 4 kb, under $2000 GBPI. And here are the options today: Garrett ATX 6.9 lbs $2120 Minelab GPX 6000 4.6 lbs $5999 You can have the price, or get close on the weight, but you can’t have both. Garrett ATX Minelab GPX 6000
  9. Why Garrett did not immediately follow the ATX up with a dry land version, with standard coils, aimed purely at desert prospectors, goes down as a massive missed opportunity in my opinion. Yeah they can do it still, but had they done it years ago, it would have changed the direction of the prospecting market. There is still an opening, due to QED being a fail, TDI going away, and GPX 6000 being priced sky high. Fisher Impulse Gold stuck in development hell, and Nokta/Makro focused on multi to the exclusion of PI. The 6000 did finally address the ergonomics issue with Minelab detectors, removing one of the low hanging fruit, but the price point still leaves room for another option. Hard to believe, but if you want to buy a new ground balancing PI with a warranty, and have it not be a Minelab, the ATX is the only real option right now. Minelab has all but crushed the competition, and Impulse Gold is only known alternate possibility in the horizon at this time.
  10. Yup, they make some good products. Not sure how that relates to what I said, and why you quoted me, but there you go.
  11. That alone is not a good indicator. When I was in the biz, carrying detectors over for more than a year was a solid fail. It’s all about inventory turns, and stock on a shelf over a year is dead money. In this case indicates lack of demand which means lack of interest.
  12. The ATX is no longer a detector I own simply because it does not detect gold as well as either the GPZ 7000 or GPX 6000 in my ground, on my targets. I am very much more into gold prospecting than anything else, and so my detectors lean that way. I have not been saltwater detecting in years, and that was the main reason I had the ATX. I ditched the GPZ 7000 as being too heavy, there is no way I would go back to the less capable and even heavier ATX for gold prospecting. The GPX 6000 suits me better than either of them. I have run the GPX 6000 in the worst magnetite ground possible, and while it will not reach a perfect ground balance, I have no problem operating it and getting good performance out of it on that type of ground. As far as ATX beating GPZ, not even close. I have for years pounded the table for a lighter weight ATX variant, and would own one today if such a detector existed. I do want another PI that can handle hot rocks that trouble the GPX 6000, but I prefer not to go back to a GPX 5000 or ATX. I have been waiting for whoever does it better, whether that is the upcoming Fisher Impulse Gold, or something from anyone else, including Garrett. If I was forced to, I’d probably go back to the GPX 5000 rather than ATX, because I do not require a submersible PI, though that would be nice. The video you posted is reasonably accurate, though a bit skewed to the ATX, as it was done by a very faithful Garrett dealer. I prefer my own testing and results. That said the ATX is a very capable, multi purpose PI, and one of the better options for one brand new with warranty at the moment, if in saltwater use is high on your list. What I use and prefer should not matter to you. I use what I use because it’s what I think best for my purposes. You should do the same. However, if I wanted a waterproof ground balancing detector right now, I’d buy a Garrett ATX. My first ATX impressions were positive, with my first detailed report at Gold and Silver with the New Garrett ATX. I have a separate article on prospecting with the ATX at Gold Nugget Detecting with the Garrett ATX. I have two beach detecting articles on the ATX - Beach Detecting in Hawaii With The ATX and Garrett ATX Return To Hawaii
  13. It's simpler than that. Subforums get created automatically when discussion reaches a level that justifies it, and no such discussion has developed here. The products get mentioned in passing, but there are only a handful of actual threads that exist about Quest/Deteknix products. If enough people want to talk about something, including Quest, I'm happy to set up a forum for it. What I normally do is wait until there are enough threads like this, that I can collect, and move them all to a new forum. That way the forum does not start empty, plus it's proof up front the interest exists. The Tarsacci Forum was the latest that underwent that process. Threads were being created here, the catchall for items with no main forum, along with the DP Forum. So I set up a dedicated forum, and moved all the threads there. Now it hums along on it's own. As an aside I periodically move threads to subforums from the DP forum and here for archival purposes, when it makes more sense that they find a resting place in those locations. A far as the database, I looked at adding Quest not long ago, but when I went to their website, I could not determine what they are currently making or stocking. Seemed half out of business, with no U.S. dealers listed at all. So I decided to wait until the pandemic settled down, thinking that had something to do with it. Or maybe it's the lawsuits. Long story short I have nothing against Quest, and welcome any legitimate competition in metal detecting. If I have any prejudice, I generally only pay attention to detectors that are sold by U.S. dealers, and have service in the U.S. If Quest really has been pushed out of the U.S. I'd not be spending a lot of my time on it. Anyone owning or having an interest in Quest chiming in might help push it along.
  14. I can’t pick things for you, only offer suggestions. There is little depth difference between the 11x13 DD and 11x13 mono on most targets, due to ATX being optimized for DD coils. If you want a significant depth advantage on coin and larger targets, the 15x20 mono offers that.
  15. Could be, I did not think of that. Don’t really care at the moment, as not something I’m doing this week. I really like the 11” mono and 17” mono. A lot. So no matter what I do, these two coils have to be part of the mix, as they will do 90% of what I need anyway. The 6x10 is just a niche coil for me, for working in tight sagebrush more than anything else. Any extra small gold hots would be a bonus, as it’s purely the physical size aspects that have me wanting a smaller coil. Other spots would be boulder patches, and bedrock with wide deep crevices. Places where the 11” just won’t fit. Otherwise I will use the 11” as being my best option for small gold sensitivity, and depth on larger bits.
  16. The 11x13 coils are not designed for in water use. Since you want a DD, and in water, that means original 10x12 DD. After that it's really your call. If you are scanning HUGE beaches, the 15x20 mono is a good option, not for depth so much, but just covering ground. But for general use I think the 11x13 coils are nice. See my report for more details. https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/3564-garrett-atx-11x13-dd-or-11x13-mono-or-10x12-dd/?do=findComment&comment=41282
  17. Nothing I see about tones in a quick scan of the manual. If they occur when you switch modes, may be just that… an indicator of which mode you are in, Shallow/Small, Medium, or Large/Deep The Golden Hawk was basically just a XT 18000 stuffed into a military style housing. I’m not sure what the deal was with the Relic Hawk, but probably something similar, using another Minelab consumer coin model as the base unit. Possibly Musketeer guts given the time frame, Relic Hawk introduced in 1998. Both the Golden Hawk and Relic Hawk are pretty rare units.
  18. Probably both to address high power needs of a multi, and balance is a bonus. Balance makes a huge difference in any detector, and actually more than makes up for any weight added as far as comfort goes. F75 design pretty much nails ergo for zero rotational force, and perfect balance. The Anfibio is a better design than the Simplex, even though still a straight shaft, due to batteries under arm. I like this setup a lot actually. Stout, still not too heavy, well balanced. But for their lighter machines, I much prefer the feel of the Kruzer models over the Simplex.... The Racers were probably the best, with the underarm battery, except for the unfortunate placement of the power knob. Great balance and feel, but not waterproof of course.
  19. Hopefully the rumor that Coiltek is working on a similar, but plug and play option, comes to pass. Otherwise by spring I guess I'll be in line for my first X Coil, as this is just what I want for my 6000. I've got no problem sacrificing my 14" DD coil if that is what it takes to get an adapter. But winter is here, no rush for me right now. However, the clock is ticking......
  20. I've still not convinced the "EMI issue" is EMI at all. Sure that exists, but there seems to me to be more than it to that, and may be a first gen Geosense issue. I truly don't know, but there is a thread for that already, so best go there for that.
  21. I'm not sure this is a selling point for me. After many years, lots of detectors, and lots of thought, I finally figured out the straight shaft versus S shaft thing. If a detector is over somewhere around 4 lbs, 5 lbs for sure, a straight shaft is the way to go. The weight of the detector causes it to "hang" securely under the grip. Under 4 pounds, the lighter the detector gets, rotational forces start to kick in with any straight shaft design. Now the handle wants to lean this way or that if the coil is pressed against anything, and that rotational force is at play even when just swinging the detector. I prefer a proper S shaft on light detectors, where the grip is inline with the coil, and this rotational force minimized or eliminated. This defines the "XP comfort edge" This explains a major reason why the Nox is uncomfortable, and I found the exact same issue with the Simplex. Bottom line it's not a reason not to own a detector, but I do think as a general rule, it should be S shaft for light detectors, straight shaft for heavy detectors. And in both cases, balance is a critical factor, with underarm battery boxes having a distinct edge. Long story short, I agree Simplex is a robust housing, excepting the weak lower rod, but not what I prefer.
  22. Great idea. Be nice to hear what you find out. FYI - any automatic tracking system works by trying to smooth signal anomalies. Faint gold signals and ground basically merge at the fringes, and so any auto tracking can tune out a faint nugget signal, especially if you focus the coil on it. Wide sweeps help make sure the machine is staying more tuned to the ground, where short tight sweeps tune more into the target itself. Minelabs latest tracking systems are remarkably good, but you still have to work knowing what the possible limitations are, and how best to avoid them. As a rule, the faster a unit tracks to a hot rock or new ground, the more careful you have to be. Other systems are very slow to track, so the problem is less severe. Many systems also temporarily pause tracking on getting certain signals, but the parameters governing this are a closely held secret. When you own a detector, constant experimentation and observation are the key to knowledge nirvana. Another tidbit, easily observed on a found target - the GPX 6000 does not like fast sweep speeds. Anyone swinging away covering ground too fast is very likely to miss targets. Slow and methodical wins for anything but patch hunting.
  23. White's Goldmaster 24K (GMX) circuit board.... White's MX Sport circuit board.... White's GMT circuit board....
  24. The 24K is the light GMX. The GMX and 24K are the same detector, just different housings. So you have basically already owned and used a 24K. If you want another GMX, finding a used one is your only bet. There is no reason for Garrett to revive the MXS/GMX housing.
  25. My impression with both the GPZ 7000 and GPX 6000, is that if I go a while without a target, is that the machines tune to a very fine edge. Then I hit a target “bang” on the first sweep, which then immediately drops off a bit, or even disappears in subsequent sweeps. This is different from zeroing in on a target with repeated short sweeps, which you should not do, as it will detune the target. Keep the sweeps wide. What I’m describing is more of a supercharge the machine gets not having any signals for a reasonable period of time, that the initial “bang” signal seems to disrupt. I’m not sure what you are experiencing is the same thing. But if so, backing off, doing some ground balance work away from the target, and reapproaching it, might help regain the target. Me, I seem to just know where they are, and find them after going after them. As noted previously, just a boot scrape often is all that is needed. I’ve also had some that were gone for a bit once dug, but I’ve always found the initial signal to be real, and the gold there, after working on it a little. I want to note these are very tiny bits, that lots of people might miss entirely. And I’m talking signals that often times are very faint, at the edges of perceptibly, what I sometimes think of as “imaginary signals” - was that there, or did I just imagine it? Since this is just one area that’s bothering you, it’s every bit as likely it’s just a weird mineralized spot.
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