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  1. The flat back makes it less prone to tipping over when set down. The front is blunt because the back is blunt. It's different than the other guys coils. Kind of like Deeptech making some octagonal coils. No good reason for it, somebody just thought it looked cool and was different.

    I know of no reason why they are better than a normal pointy tip elliptical and would prefer those myself in the smaller coils. It is not a big deal with the 11x13 and I don't mind that design at all versus a round, maybe even prefer it. But the 7x11 I really wish was a pointy tip. Yes, the corners are hot on the mono, but not as hot as the tip and toe would be if it were a pointed tip. I think a pointed tip in a small coil is better for poking in nooks and crannies and for pinpointing with the tip.

    The 11x13 though would normally be a round coil, and here the squared off design I actually like. But a case can be made that round coils are the natural shape for any detector coil and give the most consistent detection pattern. 

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  2. 2 minutes ago, phrunt said:

    I guess, it was just 2 years ago they first indicated they're working on it....  so by now it would have been nice to have something, or at least an indication it's not far away or real proper official confirmation it's even coming, we may very well be waiting on nothing.

     

    I know what you guys are up to - just trying to pry a comment out of Dilek. :smile: Who knows, might work, always worth the effort.

    Of course it is coming, they have said that already. I would take a lack of official information or announcement as meaning it is not next week nor even next month. By the way Fisher, Garrett, Minelab, and XP are all working on new products and always will be until they go out of business. XP could surprise us with a new PI next month. Speculation about upcoming new product keeps the forum fueled and I appreciate that, but in the real world if you need something now, buy it. If not, wait. Procrastination almost always pays of in the world of technology. That huge OLED TV I have been eyeing for years just keeps getting better and cheaper, better and cheaper......... 

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  3. 23 minutes ago, phrunt said:

    That's true, moving away from just being gold focused and inclusive of a wider range of users is key to success for Nokta.  They may seem smaller markets for PI's than gold, but that's because they've not had the right product, if it comes out, they have a real opportunity to sell a lot of them.  Find the Algoforces weak points and take advantage of that.  It's a shame we've not heard anything about progress since the start on the PI, the Legend was different, plenty of progress information on it prior to release, perhaps they wanted to do what Algoforce has done and take the market by surprise.

    I don’t like these deals where we hear about but can’t get detectors for months if not years. Algoforce nailed it for Australia and NZ but here in the states it is the same old waiting game again.we all know Nokta is working on a PI but until they have something that is near ready for release there is little point in saying much more.

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  4. Nokta is late but has not missed the boat. They just need to be better than the Algoforce.

    Under $4000 we have the

    Garrett Axiom at $3995, 4.2 lbs, 6 coils, not submersible
    Minelab SDC 2300 at $3599, 5.7 lbs, one hardwired coil with three hard to install aftermarket coils, waterproof but floats like a cork, not really submersible
    Garrett ATX at $2120, 6.9 lbs, four overpriced coil with rod included options, fully submersible
    Algoforce at approx $1800 with coil and power pack, 4 lbs, dozens of coils options (over 100 if you count used), not submersible.

    If I were Nokta I would take the Legend package at 3.0 lbs and add an underarm power pack, leaving more room in the pod for electronics. Keep the whole thing fully submersible at 4 lbs. And just do what Nokta does in providing lots of coils themselves plus getting the aftermarket people on board. The glaring thing missing from the Algoforce is any kind of serious beach capability, and the beach hunters on Friendly Forum have already lambasted the machine for once again leaving them out of the equation. The only real submersible ground balancing beach PI at the moment is the Garrett ATX at $2120 and 6.9 lbs, crappy coil setup.

    So Nokta needs a 4 lb fully submersible PI at around $2000 that is at least as good as the Algoforce on gold. By all accounts so far the Algoforce is awesome on small gold, but only ok at best on larger targets. Even the manufacturer downplays the large item capability. So I would be sure the Nokta offering is good on small gold but be sure it beats the Algoforce on coin and ring size targets, playing to both beach hunters and nuggets hunters looking for larger nuggets.
     

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  5. 3 hours ago, DSMITH said:

    Is there a reason that the Deep Tech detectors are not discussed much on DP

    The reality is simple. Most people want target id and other features like being waterproof the DeepTech lack. That means few people own them compared to the top sellers, and that means less discussion. They work just fine, great even, but people want what they want.

    There have been 19 threads since 2014 specific to DeepTech....

    https://www.detectorprospector.com/tags/deeptech/

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  6. 5 hours ago, Ndplumr said:

    I figured I'd ask the obvious question in a new thread . The algoforce has become a popular subject. Please keep the comments related to the progress of this machine making its way to the US market. Anyone in contact with, or with knowledge of, is encouraged to update.

    You can contact them easily instead of relying on second hand information.

    https://algoforce.com.au/pages/contact

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  7. Just to clarify for people who don't know what dual channel and single channel PI is all about. Early PI did not ground balance per se, they relied on the pulse delay to take out the ground and saltwater. This was insufficient however for real bad ground commonly encountered by gold prospectors. I think it was Eric Foster who came up with the first widely sold PI with an actual ground balance. A simple knob as seen on the TDI which was originated in Erics Goldscan models.

    Unfortunately a PI ground balance setting creates a huge "hole" where certain targets get eliminated at common ground balance settings. Like 1/4 oz nuggets and certain gold rings for example. Bruce Candy came up with the idea of having two ground balances, each one creating a "hole" at different locations on the scale. The two "channels" as he called them were compared, and if one channel lost an item in the hole the other found it, and by comparing the two channels properly targets missed by single channel systems were revealed. This is all explained by Brent Weaver in the first link I gave in the last post.

    Single channel single ground balance PI creates two classes of targets based on the ground balance setting. Dual channel can create three classes.

    The early Minelabs actually has two separate ground balance controls that separates them from machines like the TDI. Then Minelab and Garrett learned to manipulate both channels simultaneously for better results. Yet the ability to manipulate the dual channels separately was lost, and I may have to pick up an old SD2100 to be able to play more directly with this stuff.

    Again, this is all explained in much greater detail at the second link I provided above.

    From the SD2100 manual:

    minelab-sd2100-dual-channel-ground-balance.jpg

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  8. They still make the Gold Bug 2 after 40 years and many component substitutions. I'm sure they could keep the 5000 going if they wanted to. But by todays standards it is an expensive machine to manufacture and separate batteries are getting to be a shipping issue. The real hope for us all is they simply have something better waiting in the wings. A GPX 5000 in a CTX 3030 housing waterproof to ten feet - sign me up!!

    https://forums.robsdetectors.com/topic/9655-minelab-ctx-5000/

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  9. On 2/2/2024 at 11:20 AM, phrunt said:

    My 10" spiral is going to stomp all over the Sadie, that I'm confident of, the smallest spirals are powerful little coils, that 12x8" EVO would be a good coil.  The problem is the Sadie will likely handle hot rocks better than the spirals.

    An interesting problem develops that as PI gets close to VLF sensitivity to small targets, it also lights up hot rocks a PI user never knew existed before. There is a balance there and it is extremely site dependent, not a this or that thing. I almost feel like getting the Sadie was a mistake but then again I won't know until I use it. My gut feeling is I will be using it in my worst or the worst areas, where the spiral wound advantage may actually be a disadvantage. Probably have to get both eventually but that can wait until I have an E1500 and actually use it enough with the Sadie to get a feel for it. I'll know pretty quick if the ground is challenging the Sadie that going to a spiral would not help... but then I wonder if how a spiral in Fine does versus the Sadie in Ultra Fine? Good news about a 6x10 as that gives me reason to wait anyway. :smile:

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