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Little different test comparing the tone ID profiles

When I refer to lower ferrous could be confusing. I actually am talking about ferrous line being lower on screen hence a higher ferrous number. Depth itself of a nonferrous target can effect how high a ferrous reading is provided on Etrac screen. Iron, rust, nail or nails can also drive ferrous number higher. Ground mineralization levels will drive ferrous number readings. Higher mineralization soil will usuallynread higher ferrous numbers on targets of equivalent depth vs soil of milder mineralization. The orientation, size of target can drive ferrous number also. So the total detecting scenario will be evaluated by what the Etrac feels as to how the ferrous number reads. New folks to Etrac will find this video definitely helpful. There are some myths out there as far as using 2 tone ferrous especially. What the video shows I have indeed seen in the wild using Etrac and comparing. Etrac users wanting more detailed info on this topic see this link (Etrac Manual) pages 63-66. Innthe video I stand to correct myself. I state the tone break built in Etrac using 2 tone ferrous is 19, it is actually 17 ferrous where the detector transactions as far as reporting a higher tone or lower tone. https://www.minelab.com/__files/f/4065/4901-0065-1.3 Instruction Manual E-Trac_Screen.pdf A few additional comments. Use of 2 tone ferrous. Sometimes a user may indeed get a good signal (due to ferrous number reporting in the zone). However coil sweep speed and or coil position, coil height— if out of whack somewhat, this could drive ferrous number of what Etrac provides hence higher ferrous number reporting could be had hence if ferrous number is high enough user will get a lower tone vs higher tone and user will keep walking.

Nice finds. Thanks for sharing.

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Here’s some info. Seems is backed up too in this thread by another person. Cheers http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=260542

That’s right. I just referred the manual via link and page numbers. I didn’t say what Xp or anyone else recommended. Folks can read and do what they want. Here’s a video I did. This is not a comparison video among detectors. Is a bit off topic but related here I think. Question is does a detector when sweeping see what it sees when pumping coil ?? I say no unless soil is inert. Enjoy the video. Note how Etrac behaves when pumping coil vs sweeping.

Ground balance is talked about in this link pages 13,14, and 15. https://www.xpmetaldetectorsamericas.com/local/Xpmda/Frontend/assets/docs/DEUS_V5_Manual.pdf

So I started my own wish list. Prior wish lists, folks were giving suggestions with less time on Equinox units. I have used the unit enough now, I can definitely see where some changes would make the detector better overall. Not performance related but user friendly in the field. Equinox models really don’t have a way to save detect mode settings for each detect mode. Yes the detector line remains in last settings used at turn off but this is not the same. My recommendation if adopted allows for a user to immediately go to their baseline settings with push of a button with detect mode selected ( with saved settings) when they start detecting for the day. Equinox line seems to still be selling well. Accessories for the line too. No hard copy manual so any and all changes via updates can be electronically expressed in user’s manual. A grand thing. Would be nice to be able to see version ID loaded in units at turn on. Or if this is not possible allow this info to be accessed somehow using detector only- not with cable and computer. Minelab can always read my recommendations and weigh and consider applying to their new next line of detectors they are working on. I charge nothing for my recommendations.

The user profile button can be used to quickly shift to other settings. I wish Minelab would have given us option to De- globalize the settings we wanted to do. Like sensitivity. Sure would be a good OPTIONAL update to put together and offer folks. For EQx 800 model only suggested. Here is a suggestion I would like to see if possible to do. Would be good for both Eqx 600 and 800 models. Would be nice if I could have detector in a detect mode. And could have option to hit one key or a couple keys and the entire detect mode (currently in) all settings would sequentially be displayed to user with the corresponding menu icon (be it normal or advanced) shown as settings are cycled. Instead of a person having to go and double check when they turn on their detector. PS I guarantee some folks have used EQX with higher iron bias while detecting than they wanted to use,. Accidentally. My suggestion if possible would cut down on this error. Another recommendation to do if possible - apply to both 600 and 800 units. Can a way be devised where say a person is more or less a dedicated blue tooth headphone user. Where blue tooth is where Nox goes first searching instead of wi stream. Some time is wasted by folks waiting for Nox to get to blue tooth search the way it is. So basically allow which one (Wi stream or blue tooth) to be the first one searched for for a user. Again another creature comfort Minelab. And the 600 model I am assuming does search for Wi stream first. Someone correct me I am wrong. 600 model doesn’t even come with Wi stream module so it sure should be default set to look for Bluetooth first I think if nothing else. Oh yeah I’ve used EQX 800 a lot. There are things I notice that can be improved upon (for a digitally updatable) unit. While the cogs are still turning in my head.lol Here’s another update recommendation. Imo the sp reset is really useless when one thinks about it. Yeah it has a function. But a person can reset the whole detector and get by. So, it would be nice if a user could set up a detect mode with settings. And save. And by doing a sp reset these settings would be reverted back to by detector. Much more practical. In the field a person may change settings on the fly. And instead of having to remember what they changed in the detect mode they are using they could do a sp reset for the detect mode in question and restore their personal settings for a particular detect mode. Granted doing a full reset FP would reset detector to factory detect mode settings thus overriding personal settings set prior. Backlight on both 600 and 800 should default to OFF when unit is powered down. The way it is it stays at whatever setting it was when powered off. So a user may have backlight on during daytime after nighttime use and not even realize and waste battery power. Yeah I know some may think this is merely idiot proofing the detector moreso. I don’t see it that way at all. I see it as this detector has the capability to be more user friendly and maybe just save a user some time.

You run disc 5.2 on Deus in my area with iron you will be in trouble. Gotta run higher. Like 5.9 -6.4 for LF coil and 6.5-7.0 for HF coils running higher than lowest band freq wise.

Welcome.

Sounds like salt water cooked it. Good luck.

I may use a CW bullet nose up and compare these 2 detectors and do a video. Just to see if the semi round front of bullet causes Deus to be somewhat lacking with more ideal tone when reporting. I do witness a lot of how Deus behaves in the video on actual round targets (mostly lead) innthe wild detecting. The real reason I did the test/comparison. Since this is the comparison subforum. I can criticize here (honestly). Imo a target in the wild somewhat masked or sitting in the open. And both Deus and Eqx do detect (give signal). EQX is far easier to actually interpret as a nonferrous. Noise, or lack of noise when EQX is running(being swept) is one reason as well as the way EQX reports. Deus is more of a ground reactive sounding detector tonal wise. Hence sweep speed seems to affect more for reporting, plus Deus ID gets dragged down towards iron hence its tone provided on nonferrous does too, Takes a much more trained ear or keener ear to pick up the tonal nuance and actually realize a nonferrous target exist under Deus coil. EQX is much much easier, more user friendly. An example. If a field was indeed seeded say 10 years ago with 22 LR rimfire bullets buried at various depths. And after 10 years buried we could turn some very experienced Deus users and Eqx runners in such a site. EQX users would smoke the Deus users big time. It would be like the Eqx users shooting fish out of a barrel. Mind you we wouldn’t tell any of the detectors model users what was in the field we seeded. It would be a nonferrous hunting contest. Whomever finds the most wins. Team effort with Eqx users vs Deus users. One may wonder how I can say what I have above. I’ll let folks guess. I sure ain’t making this stuff up, I assure you. The EQX and 11” coil is the most universal VLF detector and coil setup in the world right now. My opinion. One detector one coil that answers a lot of detecting scenarios. Not all but more than other detectors with one coil can. If another exists, that can match or exceed EQX and 11” dd coil for overall performance in the bigger world of detecting. Someone needs to show me, or tell me. Imo the word universal should have been used in lieu of obsolete some months ago when talking of the EQX line. Jack of all trades and yes even master of some for VLF detector use. When one approaches many hours using the detector light bulb will start to burn bright. Especially if you’ll rehunt sites where you have spent great amounts of time innthe last using other models. My first run with EQX in my site didn’t show me what the detector was capable of. Not surprised really. But just sharing info as some folks may be disappointed on their first few outings. Give Nox time, it’ll shine. Folks should be advised I was a big Deus fan. Well my fan fare for Deus has flamed out.

I have been hunting at Max sens 25 field 2 using stock coil in a very difficult patch. Iron city, large, medium and small. Some folks may be thinking in such an environment faster recovery is better. True it may eek out some nonferrous, like speeds 6-8. I am finding some at speed 5 too. (These finds are not deep, one would think speed 6 would hit and give good signal). Comparing to speed 6 signal deteriorates like if I didn’t already know it was there I would pass on it. A theory I have. I highly suspect some of these finds may sound better using different detect mode like park 2 with say speed at 6. What I am saying is using jacked up Sens and or slower recovery may allow a target found (shape wise and or conductivity wise) to be located with the not so perfect detect mode in use at the time. If some folks would have witnessed this patch I was in they would likely say no way in the world are you or anyone else going to find anything nonferrous in this patch especially with an 11” dd coil. I even think the same way at times. But seeing is believing. EQX audio reporting is a BIG reason in my opinion for allowing me to locate nonferrous in sites like this. EQX likes to report (I use 50 tones) nonferrous with lighter sounding hits. Not brash. Some real genius behind the entire platform. I know now why it was dropped out of airplane at detectival. They knew exactly what kind of monster they had created. New users to EQX don’t write off Nox too quickly. Lots of performance in that little box on the pole. I have been pushing the Nox hard in this old site. Rehunt after rehunt in this same area. This has helped me big time. Get to experiment here trying different things. Still got more to do too.