Tony

All that's missing is the Teacup.

I had that exact coil years ago......it had done a lot of work on hard ground and finally died.

We gave it a good send off.....tied it to a tree branch and re calibrated it with 00 buck.

I'll keep a watch to see if a USB-C model comes up......then I can use it with my AlgoForce....... I mean Manticore 🤨

I can always help you out but the Micro-USB is not ideal really when compared to the much better mechanical connectivity of USB-C.

It's officially discontinued but still available at a few places......somewhat expensive but reasonable. $50 Aussie.

https://www.oztorches.com.au/nitecore-f4-power-bank-battery-charger.html

No USB-C connectivity....maybe the next model?

I think Micro-USB is the achilles heal especially as an outdoors unit ??

Simon,

Is this too wide for the AlgoForce........113mm x 86mm x 27mm

https://www.liteshop.com.au/content/nitecore-f4-flexible-4-bay-charger-and-power-bank/

3 minutes ago, phrunt said:

My Momax is 10,000 and drops to 6000 mAh. Regardless, it's lasting a day, and for a PI a day off a battery of that price is outstanding.

Absolutely 👍 I'm just being a propeller head !

Just to summarise.......all Power Banks when delivering USB power (5V) will lose about 25% capacity straight away. "Efficiency Losses" will depend upon quality of manufacturer with the best losing only an additional few percentage in capacity. The worst performers can lose an additional 10% or more in capacity. Some manufacturers advertise these specifications and others don't. I think ultimately you get what you pay for and buying higher quality powerbanks is the way to go. They are definitely not created equal. Unfortunately, the Momex must have very significant efficiency losses based upon dropping from 20,000 mAh to 11600 mAh (the first 5000 mAh capacity loss is to be expected in this case).....but kudos to them for including the specs.

I mainly threw out the information for the new-comer who might not be aware of true battery capacity. I can imagine them thinking that their detector draws "X" mAh and then relating that figure to their battery Capacity. An example would be the Algoforce drawing 700 mAh and then expecting a 10,000 mAh battery running the detector for over 14 hours......that same battery should run the detector for just over 8 hours...according to the spec sheets on battery and detector.

It's a far cry from those SLA batteries we used to strap to ourselves back in the day !

I've noticed there is quite a difference between Capacity v Rated Capacity of these style power-banks.

Allowing for the 5V needed v the 3.7V Lithium rated capacity means a 10,000 mAh battery is nearer 6000 mAh in regards to capacity.

Just something to bear in mind when thinking about real run time with the detector. Even then, 6000 mAh should be sufficient for a full days detecting.

And lastly, further capacity is diminished by power losses.

1.    As mentioned earlier, the power bank has native 3.7V, but actually needs to provide 5V. Therefore, the voltage is boosted through the converter circuit placed between the power bank and the charging device, resulting in an initial power loss.

2.   Batteries for electronic devices are made of lithium, and they also operate at 3.7 V, which means that another power conversion has taken place, creating even greater losses.

3.   USB cables also cause power loss due to their internal resistance. This cannot be ignored.

Momex are good in that they state their Capacity is 10,000 mAh but the all important Rated Capacity is 5800 mAh.

Their 20,000 mAh drops to 11,600 mAh........yikes. BTW...This would apply to any powerbank manufacturer.

For those that have the AlgoForce, can some of Pioneer's concerns or observations be addressed or solved, etc?

Thanks.

Steve......if this thread morphs into some useful information then maybe a new topic might be in order? Maybe a "Troubleshooting Guide" or "FAQ" for the E1500.

13 minutes ago, Pioneer said:

I'm the guy selling the E1500.

There were a lot of little things that annoyed me with it, but they all add up. The main issue is it costs me gold. I've gone over the same ground using my SDC2300 and found pieces the E1500 missed. A friend using his Gold Monster picked up a small specimen in a patch I'd checked twice. I found myself covering a lot more ground quickly and confidently with the 2300.

I wasted a lot of time digging for ghost signals due to ground noise, even after ground balancing within a meter of the area. I don't want to have to keep my eyes on a screen to notice when the ground balance is off at one end of a swing.

With the Sadie coil on faint signals, often no numbers in the discrimination/pinpoint mode would show. With the larger coil in pinpoint mode, it would threshold drift and scream after ten seconds.

Changing coils is fiddly; you have to line up two sets of holes, one on the shaft and the others on the plastic spacer that can easily push down the shaft or turn slightly. The shaft isn't rigid enough for my liking, flexing under the weight of the larger coils. The design decision not to ship it with the rotator stop in the top joint means there is slop in the joint, which, with larger coils, allows it to loosen by itself.

Cable bump noises are very noticeable, even at the top where it enters the controller.

The inbuilt speaker is not crisp, clear, or able to go to a decent volume. My Gold Monster volume setting of 1 is louder and clearer than the E1500 at its maximum of 9.

Ultimately, it's all about the gold. I've only had the 2300 for just over a month, and interestingly, I paid about the same price secondhand for the E1500 body only. I tried to force myself to use the E1500 every day first thing, but I often stopped using it sooner than planned as the 2300 just gets out of the way and lets me concentrate on the ground in front of me. If anything needs to be changed on the machine, I don't even need to look at it. I can just feel there are no multi-layered options menus. I don't have to constantly re-ground balance from swing to swing. I don't need to view a screen or check a number, as the speaker is clear, loud, and expressive enough to know straight away if it's something worth investigating.

I was really excited when I first investigated the E1500, I'm sure a lot of people will love it, I'm just really disappointed and although they offer a thirty day money back. I've spent hundreds on coils and battery packs I have nothing else to use on, that's why I'm selling it. I hope Algoforce does well and becomes a worthy Australian competitor to Minelab.

Thanks Pioneer for not only joining the forum but for providing a very honest appraisal and feedback on the E1500.....I guess more specifically some of the things that you didn't care for.

Regards,

Tony

I'm firmly resisting but only because I'm in over $3K with the Manticore (extra coil and WP headphones).

It would nicely complement my GP3500...........

Just doing the maths.....GP3500 + E1500 = GPE5000 🤓

I was just curious to know if the AlgoForce runs bundled or spiral coils optimally?

I know it's early days to know definitively but is it safe to assume that the AlgoForce isn't too fussy in coil configuration.

I know there is mention of the older Gold Search coils working well as do the Evo line of coils (Spiral). I guess this leads to whether either of these coil formats would be best in hotter ground?

Thanks for any feedback.

I only own 3 mono coils that I use with my GP3500.......my all time favourites.

My brief look at the AlgoForce manual and operational videos left me feeling it was very user friendly and mostly set and forget. He probably already had the two mono coils and rolled their value into the total price. I don't think the Minelab 15x12 is a coil that most people go out and buy.....were bundled with the GPX's I think.

It certainly looks like a genuine reason to sell.....he was quite open about it.

Strange listing considering it's so soon.

Maybe he will sell to the USA if no one buys it locally.....very early days as it has just been listed.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/creswick/miscellaneous-goods/algoforce-e1500-pulse-induction-metal-gold-detector-2x-new-coils-2/1322076585

I can see Minelab rolling out a sub $3K model.....before the AlgoForce builds further momentum.

Something in a Manticore style body. A prototype is probably under a dusty sheet somewhere and the propeller heads might have to act. The E1500 has the SDC 2300 in a head lock......and further AlgoForce models might have the higher end Minelab models in their cross hairs.

I also have the latest crystal ball model MK2.........and the tea leaves in the bottom of my cup are very interesting.

The Empire will strike back........

That's Bruce Candy putting a death grip on the E1500.

The AlgoForce is strong with this one.

Keeping that sensitivity "tamed" is the way to go........usually better target ID and a cleaner 2D trace to go with it.

I can't add much to your query but sending it to Mick was a smart move.......his mods and quality of work are exceptional.

If I see someone with this coin, I'll offer them $200 for it......double their money 🤑

You never know your luck, people still buy LRL devices.

Glad you recovered from that adventure......that is Mountain Goat country !

Simon is just out of shot in steeper terrain......just follow the blood trail.

Some great finds.......almost as warm down here.....only 45 degrees

........Celsius.....🥵

Great video and very impressive detector and interface........I would love to see some basic tests on the last two "bigger gold" modes on some bigger targets ( maybe 5+ gram nuggets)......thanks for posting.