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LOL, What's this Torture Steve Day, hahaha Seriously though they Are A Good Duel Purpose Machine.

You Started all This ?? Go And Stand By The Naughty Wall, lol, X-Terra Z7005 ?? Indeed,

Well it was the Recovery speed that prompted me to ask about it because I saw A Video that showed how fast it could pick up the second Target, So I tried it with my machine and they are about the same, I tested the GB-P and it could see Tiny Gold Staters hidden under a Plough Blade, I have only seen One other machine do that, But Money Wise I think the Fors Gold Gives the best bang for the Buck, Although It has not had A Chance to Prove it's self, I think it is as good as other machines costing Twice as much.

Thanks Steve, Yeah my MXT tells me that too, I am searching for something new to keep me busy for a while, I did some testing a while back with the Gold Bug Pro and that is a Clever machine, But these Nokta's have got my thoughts at the moment, John

G'day Steve, No I was thinking more about how it handles hot Ground and as to what sort of depths are people making finds, I was watching a Video on the recovery speed of it today and just wondering if it was Blinded by high mineralization by etc john

Struth,, That must Be An Xterra 7005, no wonder it goes 40% Deeper, lol

Has anyone done anymore Testing on the Fors Gold In Hot Ground, Thanks,, John

I have seen A Quite few Back home In OZ and I have found 1 or 2 out of the Ground, But I never took much notice of them, But I have seen A few Big Ones. Still its A Nice find just the Same.

I don't think your Missing Much Now,, That Opal would be worth A few Bucks, Might even be worth getting it re-mounted In Silver as A Gift for the Mrs, It might soften the Blow when you forget The Honey Do List, lol John

Well done Paul, It's working Good Now Nice finds, You Got that running Real Good, John

Same Here, I think we have the DISC set Too High, I'm Gonna Try Viewing It In All Metal, John

Well Paul That 705 and The SL sounds Like a Good sensible Set up, VLF for Trash and the SL for Hot Ground, You Don't have to Sell Body Parts To Have A Good Kit, I went A Similar Route Good Luck Mate,, john

Geeze, That's Big for 2.5 grams, Well done Chris, Nice Work.

Maybe it would be a good Idea to supply machines with the Coil as per Customer Choice at the Time Of sale, This would save you having to buy an extra coil at the Time Of Purchase. and If A Person did want extra coils that's what the machine would come with Instead Of being stuck with a coil that you wont use. The Companies will Listen to people Like You and Steve, but Convincing them is the Hard Part, John

Thanks Tom Great Info Mate, I will try and Find One Thanks Again,, John

I really want one of these Toys, Because the area I got mapped out the gold is that small 95% of detectors can see it.

Ok Well I Tested that 6X10 Longscan Concentric Coil On The GMT and it Hits My Tiny Test Piece at 3 X the distance that the Twin D Coil Does, On Bigger Items there is not much in it with the Edge going to the Longscan by about half an Inch to an Inch so it will be less in the Ground. But On This Tiny Piece In This Picture it is Lethal,.That Tiny Piece weighs less than 0.1 Grains and about 0.002 Grams, Hope this answers the Question about Concentric V's DD's, I think this set up would Knock the GB2 of the top spot If Not equal It, But One thing for sure I have never seen anything like it. Notice the size of the Piece compared to the Pin And Match Head, And In The last picture is the same test piece next to a Grain of Sugar. John. .

Yes I agree, I relate them to, IF I can get 50% depth of an Air Test and Only Use it as A Guide, and the reason I use 50% is to Pick the Machine . Coil Combination that will give me the best Chance In the Ground, Like my mate using the first model MXT and the 12"/300 coil with the gain on 6.5 and he's pulling coins at a Measured 13 inches, I use air test mainly for mapping The Detection field of coils and to see their sensitivity.

That Part about testing better In the Ground than they do in Air Relates to a machine using the Halo effect to find the Coin, A Classic example of this is Large pre decimal pennies they Leave a huge green stain in the soil and Silver coins it is a lot less, I once found a big bronze coin and it was down about 12"+ deep, I found it with a PI machine anyway when I carefully removed the big lump of soil from it I noticed that it had a very deep dark Green staining to it and I waved it over the coil it gave off a really loud signal, So I put the Dirt In a plastic bag and took it home a few months Later it had dried out from being in my Den, so I got it out and waved it in front of the Coil and Nothing Not A Sound, So I got a spray pot and sprayed it with water and Waved it in front of the Coil and sure enough it was making a loud signal Once again, So Does the Halo Theory Exist, YES. With Gold and Silver That Halo effect Is Very Limited, Silver goes Black and Gold stays the same, Iron Breaks down to become a Mineral But before that happens it breaks down into small pieces and either effects the Ground Balance setting as Does fertilizer, Cow C$%P and Burning etc, machines like My Sovereign it makes it Null Out so the Machine becomes Blind until the Threshold Returns and coil has been 4 foot /120cm away before the Threshold returns, Short Answer Is Only Metals Like Copper and Bronze with make the detector see deeper in the Ground because Of staining. Hope This Helps

QUOTE BY STEVE- I think John answered that already. Using coils made by a manufacturer for the detector they made is pretty cheap insurance and not a bad idea in general. I usually do that myself unless there is a size I want the manufacturer does not make. Then I go after market. In general though people have probably figured out I have no brand loyalties. I just try stuff out and use what works for me. You never know which company will produce tomorrow's gem, and the best companies make a turkey now and then. Johns experience has made him quite down on Detech coils. Other people really love them. I have three (yes, I bought them) and as far as I can tell they are just coils. No better or worse than other coils I have used. End Quote. Yes that's True Steve, But In all Fairness to Detech, Those Coils were bought just after their First Year 18 months of Production and that was about 7 or 8 years ago, So No doubt since then their Knowledge Base has grown Vastly and They Have moved on to bigger and better things now, Would I Buy One Now ?? Only if I could Try A Demo One First, The More I see of them the More I Like them, But I still have that (What If) Nagging in the Back of my Mind, And I Still Really want them to be as good as I was Told they were So I can Have one again (They are Great At Keeping your Detector Up Right) (I hate it Falling Over). The Thing with Whites Coils is they have always been Pretty Hot on small Items, But I think they Have been Tweaking them or their machines, because My New MXT All Pro with the 10" D2 coil picks up an 0.4 Grain or 0.03 gram or just under test piece at just over an inch I did ask Whites Via A PM privately, If they had Boosted the power of the GMT and the MXT because my New machine are Seriously A lot Hotter that the Last Pair I bought and they were very Impressive, But the answer I got was well we are always testing and doing research (Not Their Exact Words), So From that and the rest of the Message with what I see these 2 machines doing, Then I say yes, IE- In the Relic Mode the MXT will Bleep At my Hand between 1 and 2 Inches from the Coil and will make the 3rd Tone sound up to 6 Inches from the Coil, If you have either of these 2 machines try it and see if yours does the same, Please note that the GMT has always done that anyway, so just try it with the MXT. My Sovereign GT with 4 Different Coils I tested a Small Hammered Cut Half Penny and those coils air Tested between 5 & 1/4 inches to 7 & a 1/2 Inches, MXT with the Standard 10" D2 Coil is almost Double that, This is why I am trying to get people to Focus on the Reasons as to why they should use Certain Coils as Required By The venue and Not by Reviewers or Dealers, And Mates Swearing by them Does Not Mean that they are the Right Coil For your Personal Task. I have watched Steve For A while and a lot of Info is Not so much what he says But what He does, And That Info he takes for Granted Because He Has been Detecting for Gold for a year or 2 and that Info is like an extra Limb or Second Nature to him, If you Keep going over his Stories ( I can't remember what they are Listed as) you will see all these little Gems of Info waiting to be discovered, And with My enquiring Mind I test everything so I get the Answers why such thing happen or have an effect, IE to map out your coils detection field, Lay the coil sideways with a large piece of paper under the coil and use different sized Lead shot stuck to a Ruler and with a pencil put dots on the paper where the coil stars to pick up the Target, Any Coil will Pick up A Coin, But Not many can pick up lead shot and the smaller you can go the better the coil will pick up Large Items Like Coins. Hope this Helps, John

Their 9X5 Folded Mono BLACK COIL and the 7.5X12 ?? RazorBack (White Colored Coil) And For A Bit More Depth Their 14" Mono, you have two choices there because they Make One Spoked and a Solid Version. Here's the Link, http://razorbackcoils.webs.com/apps/webstore/ Hope This Helps,, john

When It Comes to TDI Coils, Miner John/RazorBack are about the Best So Far from what I have seen, In them posts I was referring to Whites VLF Machines, Excluding the GMT because there are No After market Coil for it apart from the Ones Jimmy S has, john

Which one Paul ?

I have Written a lot on coils I have tested and my next Novel, lol. will be Using the Concentrics on The GMT because there is a Bad lack of Coils Available For The GMT, So Now I have got the Coils sorted I will start testing them in the near future. I use Concentric coils as much as possible and Only if the Ground Gets up around 75 on the MXTs Meter do I change to a DD, DD's have become more of a Crutch than A Tool, Mainly By companies using them to quieten down noisy Detectors, and one manufacturer Went all out to convince us we Need to have DD coils which is Absolute rubbish, I used the 12"/300 coil on a field that had been gone over by every Metal Detector made since 1968 and I found 3 lots of Gold in one sweep of the coil and a silver pendant along with 8 Roman Coils and 1 Hammered Cut Half all from a Place that is so Iron infested that you can get 15 to 20 or more Iron signals per sweep, The other Serious Issue is we all Crave More Depth from our Machines, So here is Part of what I wrote about Coils. Enjoy, John QUOTE:- ME. Here are Some Coil Basic's Regarding Size to Shape and Configuration, As A Very Rough Guide of what should Be Possible, In Theory??, I say In Theory because I Do Not want anyone Shouting "FOUL" But I will Post some pretty Amazing Figures that Happened During Testing, Most Concentrics will See Coin Sized Item at the equal Depth of their size, But It is Very Common for them to see Coin sized Target AT 1.5 X their Size, But The Average Depth with Concentric Coils Is More Like 1 and A 1/3 times their size, So with the 12"/300 = 16" and with the 950/9.5 = 12.5 to 13" and the 5.3 (6") = 8 to 9" (10 inches is NOT Uncommon) Now to Equal those Depths using a DD you will need A Much Larger Coil Because A DD will Find Coin Sized targets Equal to their Size and the Bigger DD coils go The More Sensitivity they Loose, So if you use A 12x10 coil that has a possible Depth on coins at around 11", (Add the 12 to the 10 and Divide by 2). And the Same with A 8x6 =14 Divide by 2 = 7 inches, the 15x12 has A Possible Depth of 13.5" and the 18x15" has A Possible Depth of around 16.5", Now In THEORY this all sounds Really Good But DD's Never Produce these Figures In The Ground Where As Concentric Coils Do Or Very Close to them Figures, Now Compare the Concentric Figure's to those of the DD's and See How Much bigger A the DD Coil Needs to be to match Those of the Concentric. Not to Mention the Weight But Most of All the Cost, We All Know that Air Tests are of Little Value but he's one I did with a Dealer Who Used another American made LTD model of detector he had fitted with the 18x15 Coil, He was so bent on Making my MXT 300 Look Stupid that he fired it up and set it flat out in the Shop that it was falsing that much, That it was Impossible to tell what was A Signal and what was EMI. Anyway I Got A Large 50% Silver Coin from their Finds Tray and the Best that other machine could do was 18 to 21 inches, So then It was My Turn with My MXT 300 with the Factory 12" Coil, I tried it at the Pre Set (9.5 ish) and then turn it up to above 10 and when it started to False I backed it off just enough so it Behaved it's self, and the Distance it picked up that coin was 27" inches. So when you Compare the Depths I have quoted and relate them to the Air Test In the REAL WORLD you can work out How much Bigger A DD has to be before it Equals Whites 12"/300 Coil, So to try and equal it you will need at Leased the 18x15 but we Know that Dog Don't Hunt, so the Next and Only Option is the 21x18" or an 18" Round DD. Like I said earlier the 12"/300 Coil is about as Good as A Coil gets and you would need the 18" to match it and Only if the Mineralization is High will you see any Advantage with using the DD Coils Listed, But Whites also Make the 4x6 DD, 6x10 DD, 10" DD and The 15" MXT Max DD?? (Not Sure if that is A DD or Concentric) Now to get anymore Depth you either Need A PI or remove the top layer of soil The 12"/300 is A Lot easier to handle than the 18" DD and did/does come standard on some machines so no extra costs are involved, Anyway, These are my Views based upon my Tests and having used such Coils, If your Soil is Reading up around the Early to Mid 70s then you are Bordering on DD Territory and then you need to ask your self whether if it would be A wise Investment, along with Do I Buy the Whites 2D 10" coil or A 12x10" But Here's the Clue, UNIFORMITY, END QUOTE. If you wish to read the whole of my Ramblings you can find it Here, http://forums.whiteselectronics.com/showthread.php?73748-The-Reason-I-Use-Whites-Products

Rick , They Sent it by USPS, Is that your Post Office, Is that who you used?? If So they Ebay Seller Has Just Shafted Me, For One it is a Smaller Package and Less Weight, I have had to pay the 51.50 so it will be here tomorrow because I only have 20 days to pay it or they will send it back to the sender, So my only choice Is to Pay it and then Argue it out with Revenue and Customs, john