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So i decided to place my larger riffles in the front part of the sluice and the smaller riffles in the widest part of the sluice to try to settle down the finer gold.  . 

I hope now i could achieve a better recovery with the larger sluice and taller riffles installed.

On 9/10/2020 at 5:27 AM, sjmpainter said:

Don't worry about the 300 GM nuggets getting passed thru the sluice, they never actually get passed the hand of the dredge operator to even have a chance of being sent to the tailing pile!!!!!

The grizzle bars did not work, they trapped the rocks under and would not release them. I did have success with a sump set up that fed to a small 2 inch dredge but let that go due to the fact it was complex and negated the benefit of a light weight sub surface dredge.

I don't believe I lost any gold that had size to it. All the nuggets got caught in the first or second riffle, the fines are another story. Basically the sub surface dredge is a poor choice for an area that has lots of fine gold. Salt gold or thin flat flakes etc. but can do really well on the chunky nugget stuff, bird shot on up. Just keep in mind not to hog the material and overload the riffle tray, that's where I get goofed up.

I did add a river sluice behind my box at one point and the extra box being wider did help but back to more complex.

My advice is to add miners moss over the ribbed matting and nothing more needs to be done. The rest is a diminishing return situation.

Keep us posted on what you end up with. Also would love to see a pic of your subbie🙂

 

The 300G copper nugget i found it dredging with the same sluice box.. Found it in the gold pan.  

But we ran a test running the nugget first then dredging as usual but when we went to the sluice box it was gone. . 

A sluice box need to be made to trap everything that is metal.  Specially heavy items atleast.. 

Ima test these taller riffles to see if i could get it to work properly. 

Thanks ya for the heads up.  

The only thing ima do is then putting in some Taller aluminum riffles system ima put into the sluice box.  

Hopefully im able to run it wide enough to make the sluice work properly. 

I have bought some 1 3/4 angle iron in aluminum and a piece of 2" x 1" angle iron which ima reduce the lip to about 1/2 "   .. 

Where we dredge we are normally hogging lots and lots of in hard packed material and we aint seeing everything we running up the hose.  So is not more like snipping is more like hoping more we find something in the sluicebox.  

The bedrock is normally soft and we are dredging up everything leaving the bedrock clean.  

I hope the higher riffles help the larger gold find a resting place.  

We also have lots of hot rocks.  . i mean lots of it.  Of all sizes.. 

But making the sluice longer with deeper riffles maybe i could make enough space for everything or atleast most of the heavies to settle. 

Hello everyone on here.  

Im looking on upgrading my Subbie sluice box into a more efficient one.  

I have been looking into ideas of what others been doing on here and any suggestion of how should i design a larger Gold nugget trap. 

I see most sluice boxes with tiny riffles and i could just imagen a larger nugget go run straight out the back.  

I tested my sluice with a almost 300 gram copper nugget and i lost it.  

Now we are trying to upgrade the sluice because where we dredge we could find larger nuggets.  

Im thinking of placing a section with taller riffles like in the picture with the rails only going half way or 3/4 of the sluice and leaving the same size riffles or making it bit larger at the end of the box for the larger nuggets. 

2 hours ago, geof_junk said:

That sounds very similar to Victoria Aust. back in January this year. Now it is August and the worms are drowning in my lawn and suicide on the paths, due to all the rain we have got this winter. The farmers are happy now the drought has broken 

Here is rainning but the rivers aint seem to be ever what they was used to be.  . 

I believe in a couple years the way i could have been monitoring things going to wayy worstt.. Rivers will turn into creeks and creeks into drywash.  

Sad but true. 

Nope the world is actually going trough some changes.  The rivers around here are at the lowest it ever been.  The seasons have lost their track and the heat is having a record high.  

But no one is actually taking about it.  

Its amazing how we used to read about this a long time ago and now we are seeing it behold our eyes.  

But a lot of people seem to still be ignorant of everything still seeing whats going on. 

Okay i probably over did it because he probably knows that. But all im trying to say a Gold Detector to be called A Gold detector needs to just find gold. Some people have a false sense of the reality of these machines without understanding how much junk they are finding and with a more " advanced "  Having to dig more Trash Or all Metallic objects.. I have switch from a VLF to a PI for couple inches of depth and now i wish i had discrimination.  

Yes i have used a couple MD from VLF to a PI QED.  What i was trying to say is that the most advance GPZ GPX or QED couldnt be used with discrimination which are dig em all detectors.  VLF can discriminate Iron pretty good.  Just not in deep ground so well but after some soil is removed it locks solid on object before digging it out. But still there is a lot of trash that you could be faced with. Anything with a aluminum wrap like a toothpaste is going to sound like gold.  

So currently there is no detector out here that gets the gold without digging unwanted targets.. And if soo let me knoww. !!  

There isnt a Gold detector that i know of if there was to be one it would be the best one in the world.  

The most advance detectors still cant tell gold from trash..

6 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Yeah, it’s basically heading that way, especially here in the U.S. If gold was still $300 an ounce we’d already be done. People who say they are doing it for fun and adventure, not the value, for some reason are not out looking for things of no value instead. They could be looking for copper nuggets but few seem interested in that for some reason, even though it is as challenging and has just as much fun and adventure as gold detecting. The price does matter, and ever increasing prices have kept this ship afloat. And if gold breaks above $US2000 an ounce I expect we will see another electronic gold rush as people detect for the last remaining dribs and drabs on patches pounded for decades. Yes, there are virgin patches out there, but it’s the rare true prospectors out spending the weeks or months of non-producing detecting needed to find them. Ultimately it is legal access to ground that is the limit, and if gold prices spike everything available will get claimed up to the hilt. Competition will be fierce again. We lose even if we win.

I feel like I missed the real heyday 20 years ago being busy running my business. But I am grateful I got to do what I did when I did near the end of it all, and see some virgin patches myself, and lots of large gold. The GPZ really did light things up, but now even the GPZ gold is getting sparse. I’m afraid I’m one of those spoiled old guys finding it hard to get motivated to go out and detect for a few grams. Beach detecting is more pleasant and with better viewing, and more what I’m inclined to do these days. 

Well i dont know if you have noticed it but everyone out here have noticed the sun is hotter then ever. Being out in the sun isnt as pleasant. 

For now i feel better being by the water looking for gold in the shade and atleast i see the color of gold everyday. 

At the end thats what really matter because everyone says gold mining is an adventure or hobby. But when you get to find a steady income you cut that down to a very low percentage. 

People could find metal detecting a decent size nugget or patch but finding another is pretty tough for the same reason you stated. 

One person might be lucky but the odds of others be veryyy low.  

Couldnt it come to a day where detectors just die out.  ?? Where you would get a PI for a price of a vlf and you might not want it. ?? 

The miles one cover with those things is amazing.  Sooner or later people must start to run out of places to detect.  

All i see is people returning to the same patches finding bits of gold. . nothing new. 

Is amazing when the scriptures Relates in the hearts of one person.. 

This is that love that could make the world another place. 

Well done mate !

2 hours ago, Reg Wilson said:

Every detector I have ever used has been able to be fooled by ground noises, or should I say that the detector user is able to be fooled.

When using a detector with auto ground tracking many people swear by using the manual ground balance function, believing that very faint signals are more audible in this setting. A 'suspect' signal will not alter under the coil when it is swept back and forth over the target in manual setting, however by switching into auto and sweeping the target repeatedly the response may lessen to the extent of becoming very faint or completely inaudible. This is the detector ground balancing out the section of mineralized ground. If you move a couple of meters away from the suspected target, re ground balance, and then sweep back over said target you will find that the signal has returned. 

Now, some detector operators will adamantly claim that the detector has balanced out a faint gold signal when used in auto, but having dug an untold number of 'suspect' signals to try and prove that my detector is fooling me, I have not been able to do so. I have found that when using GPX detectors that the number of sweeps in auto required to give a good analysis of the target is about six, where as the number is about double that when using the GPZ. I do not claim that this method is infallible, and no doubt many will disagree with me, but for me it has worked well. One thing that is imperative is that the detector coil sweep should be steady and at a constant height.

The QED method is most effective, but occasional patches of charcoal can fool any detector, and for some reason tree roots can confuse GPZ detectors.

Well i have always thought just finding a whole bunch of iron targets was a enough for me.  But digging tree roots and charcoal in the ground is on another level. As well also those ghost signals where you dont find no tree root or charcoal.  

Here in DR there is gold but we have to dig to get it out.  It isnt laying around for most part. There is a lot shallow ground but is like the rain has washed off and deposited in benches and in the creeks.  

I have been to places where there is shallow gold but there are veryy few places like this. Finding one out here raw prospecting would have someone die of hunger.  

Right now im inbetween building a motorized winch which i would use in our dredging operation in the river and probably some surface mining openning cuts with a scape bucket to the virgen gravels. This is when i could see myself using a Metal detector. But walking like a crazy guy up and down acres of land without knowing im walking right over the gold.  

Lucky those who are in those geological condition. 

Thanks Reg. Its this with all detectors ? Or just the QED. ? 

I have gotten ground noise with the others VLF machines i have had but normally there would be a black patch while digging which is pretty obvious and the signal disappears. 

I have that same coil and here i have ran it in some areas with mode one and gain of 8-10. But with a GB of around 280.  

Which lowers the sensitivity. 

I did get to run well.  In some area but that Ghost signals did get me frustrated because i wouldnt mind finding junk but finding nothing is worst then finding iron.  I dug about 4 ghost signales in one area. 

This was in a more remote area in the mountains . not sure if is because of the mineralizion in the clay.  

But overall i did get a feel of undertanding it..

1 hour ago, phrunt said:

Every metal detector likes iron more than gold 🙂 The new upgrade greatly improved it's ability to handle variable ground and made it easier to ground balance.  I recommend you get the update done, it is free.    People have said they can run lower modes / high sensitivity (mode 1 being the most sensitive) on the new firmware over the older firmware while maintaining ground balance. I was always able to in my mild soils so I didn't notice this improvement.

Goldman has done some pretty good videos lately on using the QED, you would likely benefit from watching them

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu4yiQk1UUilnMfGFqfaxfg

It has a learning curve if your other detector is something like a Gold Monster that's for sure.  I think if you get the update done you'll find it easier to use due to the better ground handling which may explain your ghost signals.

You'll see in particular with this video if setup incorrectly for what you're hunting you can dramatically lose depth on the target size.

 

i just watched the video.. and you see how the detector  is behaving at the end of the video  thats just how mines will act when i have it in Max sensativity. but its too noisy to actually detect that way specially in a hot ground. meaning you have to go up null or go up mode whice is even worst.

when you get it totally quite or quite enough you could tell ground signal from Target Or ghost signals it will be way less sensitive.

Thanks Phrunt and Reg for ya advice.

i was faced with finding lots of iron so took a trip  to a more remote area that gold have been found and Then i end up getting lots of Ghost signals instead of iron.

well i guess when everything Returns back to normal that i might be able to ship it back to AU to get it updated and probably fixed right.

i understand  alot of people have open country where they drive in and detect and their detectors looks forever NEW. in my case i have to take long hikes then metal detect in heavy bushes worrying about anything getting caught up and trying to break.

i was thinking of when i get it fix of removing the menu box from the shaft handle and placing it inside of another compartment just for more protection.Using NO Stand or Speaker holder since its made of the same matterial that is veryy brittle and if you drop it it will crack instead of Bending ..

i know the company started working with what they had but i hope they construct it more rugged for those who do more hardcore detecting.

What is new about the updates ? 

I recieved mines PL2 just before the newer updates. I bought mines with 2 coils and what i could say about the QED is i got to learn it and find lots of trash no gold. The qed is very sensitive but if you move up in modes you will lose a lot of it.  I have also dug ground signals more then i have with my GM not sure why.  I have tried GB and everything sounds like a target to it disappears to who knows where. Recheck , recheck nothing. 

The metal detector is veryyy fragile. Meaning you wouldnt want to drop it or lift it through the control box because it will crack. 

I contacted the seller and i was sent a replacement for all broken pieces but i havent recieved nothing since this Plandemia Has hit.  

I also have had a problem with trying to tune it to fine gold. . i have gotten it sometimes working to i leave everything the same and when i recheck the coil with a the test nugget it wont see it even being rubbed on the coil. This is a .2g nugget.  

I once also tested it with a 2 Gram nugget and i have only been able to pick it up at about 8 inches deep give or take... 

I did get to find lots of metal and i was even coming to think it loved to signal more on iron then gold.  

I wouldnt say i would had found every metal object with the GM but it sure would had made life more simple and straight forward to find gold and Reject all the trash and pick up the gold.  

So at the end of the day. I would ask myself for a inch or two of diffence would it be a good trade over discrimination?

I believe metal detecting is something you want to do what your closest to being that beach , parks or mountains for nugget hunting. 

Nugget hunting is veryy tough if you dont know exactlly where to be looking.. 

I just find nugget hunting very difficult just cause of the fact how large and shallow the gold needs to be. Where you might be walking over the gold in a lots occasion. 

The size of gold and geology helps some prospectors around the world while the chances of others being veryy low..  

A addictive person in gold need gold to calm his addiction... 

Metal detecting might not be easiest way to calm that.. but it sure would be fun to come up with a patch of gold no one know of  

Saving up gold from now on seems a good thing.. 

Hii goldhound.. i have been amazed by your videos.  Wish you could make some new ones without being noticed where you might be making them from.. 

17 minutes ago, MannyScoot said:

I thought that was a screwdriver ......

A flatheaded one loll 

7 hours ago, WesD said:

This aint a pick, but how about that "prybar" in the lower right. 

Those are made of wood and most likely used to flip rocks.. very useful.