ColonelDan

This is exactly why I never notch out anything. Never have; never will. Just the view from my foxhole….

Pinpointing and scooping in rough surf is a real challenge for anybody...including experienced beach hunters like me! At 74 however, I don't do rough surf anymore. Tame oceans are my friend these days!!! 😃

The higher the discrimination setting the greater number of targets will register as ferrous. If for example you set the discrim at 7, targets'TDI that range from 7 or below will be reported as "iron."

I've known some gold to ring up low like that too so I've set my iron tone break at 10. Will I dig more trash that way? Yes, but our beaches don't contain much true iron...aluminum is the culprit here. Thanks for the report!

Great review! 👍

I decided to expand the test I posted on another thread in this forum. The question was raised concerning the TID differences among the various programs. For this test, I used a silver walking liberty half dollar and a modern Kennedy half dollar separately scanned by each of the Deus 2's 12 factory programs. I conducted a frequency scan prior to each program and EMI didn't seem to be a factor. My purpose was to determine just how much of a TID variance there was among these programs on the same targets. Program Max Frequency Silver Half Modern Half 1. General: 40kHz 98 97 2. Sensitive 40kHz 98 97 3. Sens FT 40kHz 98 97 4. Fast 40kHz 98 97 5. Park 24kHz 99 98 6. Deep HC 14kHz 99 99 7. Mono 16.5kHz 97 96 8. GoldField 40kHz 98 97 9. Relic 24kHz 99 98 10. Diving 14kHz 99 99 11. Beach 24kHz 99 99 12. Beach Sens 40kHz 99 98 Note: Although the results show a fairly consistent relationship between the TIDs throughout the 12 programs, the silver half TID was solid and pretty much unwavering. The modern half however had a tendency to vary by a point or even up to 3 points as it settled in on the most common of the TID numbers reported here. Again, these 12 were all stock factory programs; no adjustments were made to any of the internal settings. I would hazard a guess that results from the adjusted settings within a custom program might generate somewhat different TID results.

A more thorough/interesting and possibly more revealing test would be to sweep these same targets with each of the 12 factory programs and compare the TID.

Half Dollar TID Test Report. Tests were conducted using factory Beach and factory Park Beach Park 1836 Capped Bust 99 99 1858 Seated Liberty 99 99 1904 Barber 99 99 1927 Walking Liberty 99 99 1948 Franklin 99 99 1964 Kennedy 99 99 1969 Kennedy Proof 99 99 1972 Kennedy 98 98 1776-1976 Kennedy 98 98 These results may surprise some, particularly the consistency between the Beach and Park programs. As I said before, I just report the results.

I have samples of all and will report on the TIDs…. More to follow.

I’ve found that wet sand is much more conductive than dry sand…same for soil ergo the greater depth as you’ve seen.

Excellent question! What I found was that depending on the program used and its settings, the Morgan dollar registered anywhere from 95-99 while the silver half remained pretty steady at 98-99! Since I'm, not a software or design engineer, don't expect me to explain it. I can't interpret the results, I merely report the results. Were I to take a guess however, I would venture to say the variance in TID was due to the different weighting of frequencies and the settings which act as filters within the various programs. Now that guess of mine is worth just as much as you had to pay for it.😉

I’ve found gold to have a wide range of TID numbers as shown on my list due to the wide range of metals mixed with the gold content. Given that fact of detecting life, we’re all going to be digging a lot. I'd be satisfied with a ballpark break point between ferrous and non ferrous or low and mid level conductors. Right now, I’m giving it my best guess right now until shown a better one.

Thank you….a labor of love as the saying goes. If you scroll through the programs, TIDs will change somewhat when sweeping over the same target. It must be caused by the varying frequency weightings….just a guess on my part though

Rings are screwy. I've seen gold rings run a wide range on any TID scale. I've seen two 10K rings of similar size ring up somewhat differently. I'm convinced that much depends on the composition and what that gold is mixed with. If mixed with a high conductor, a TID of 90 isn't surprising...at least that's been my experience.

Thanks Chase. I used my custom beach program that I use most often on our beaches. I'll add the $1 gold coin to the list! 👍

I tested some of the more common targets we might find at the beach and on land just as a "ballpark" reference in my on-going effort to transition from Minelab to XP. These results are from my custom Beach program that I use most often on our beaches. Be advised, the target TID's listed were derived from air tests. TIDs from targets found in sand or soil can be expected to vary somewhat. Your results conducted under similar conditions may also vary to some degree. Recognizing that metallurgical composition of the many targets we find varies considerably, I'm still in the process of trying to determine an acceptable cut off tone break between low and mid level conductors on the Deus II scale....admittedly, a search that may be in vain. 😆 Deus II Test Data.xls

Let’s ask the question a little differently. Recognizing that metallurgical composition varies considerably, Where, in general, is the cut off line/number between ferrous and non-ferrous on the Deus2 tone break scale? Realizing that the demarcation would not be a hard and fast number applicable in all cases, but for the most part, where does that line fall?

What is the lowest TID you've seen for any type of precious metal using the Deus 2; broken jewelry, low karat, small chain, micro jewelry etc.? ANY type at all but it must be precious metal.

Since 99% of my hunting is on saltwater beaches and fresh water lakes, I have the 11" coil on both my D2s. If I have a need to detect in a heavily vegetated area for relics, I'll use my Equinox 800 with a 6" coil.

All, Thank you for those kind remarks. They're very much appreciated. Please keep in mind that although those setting of mine may be a good start point on salt water beaches, they aren't the magic formula for universal success. Every beach is different so you'll have to adjust the settings to the conditions at your specific site. As I've always said, ~Predetermined settings serve only to get you in the ballpark. It's up to you to pick the best seat~ 😉 Good hunting....

I took my D2, with underwater antenna attached, to Cocoa Beach for its maiden run after updating it. My primary objective was to test the stability in salt water and develop a custom program I could use as a start point on subsequent salt water beach hunts. I used the factory Beach program as the base and made adjustments from there. After doing a frequency scan, adjusting sensitivity for EMI and staying in the Tracking mode since our beaches are very much uniform in mineralization levels, I started off in the dry sand and progressed to the damp and then the wet sand. As expected, it was solid...quiet and stable. I then got into the surf and it started to chirp as the waves washed over the coil. I began to make adjustments to the Salt Sensitivity and Reactivity settings which began to noticeably improve the stability. As I continued to experiment with the settings, I found the following was optimal at this beach on this day: Discrimination = 6.5 Bottle Caps = 3 Silencer = 0 Sensitivity = 93 Salt Sensitivity = 4-5 Reactivity = 2 When the coil was initially exposed to the first wave action washing over it, there was chirping. However, when the coil was fully submerged to about 1 foot or even less, the chirping originally caused by that wave action, was gone. I began to sweep the coil for targets and all was quiet except for the occasional blip now and then. All in all, 0.71 was solid in all salt water environments...dry, damp and wet sand and surf. The above settings were saved to a custom program that I'll use as my start point for salt water hunting. Remaining settings are just personal preference such as iron volume, audio response, audio out and 4 tones modified to 3 tones. My next objective for submerged operation is to develop a custom program for fresh water hunting since our Seminole War site is in a fresh water lake. One personal nit picky point; installing the antenna and removing it for after operation cleaning is somewhat of a pain I could do without. I'd prefer another approach but I understand wireless limitations so I'll live with it. 😉

I fully agree with Chase. I have not had any negative performance issues...only positive performance results. Updating my other D2 and my hunting buddy's D2 today and hitting the Cape Canaveral beaches again tomorrow.

I admit to being somewhat reserved about jumping right in to the latest update, but this morning, I decided to try it on my secondary Deus 2 that I’ve christened the “Test Dummy.” After following the exact sequence as shown on the XP update screen for a flawless installation, I added all custom programs back in and ran it through my test garden. Everything worked as designed…..smooth with no glitches! The final “real world” test will be Sunday evening at Cocoa Beach…dry, damp and wet sand and surf. If all goes well, as I fully expect, I’ll update my primary Deus 2 and that of my hunting buddy's. My advice to those similarly reluctant souls would be to follow the exact procedure on the XP update screen and you should be fine….no shortcuts or deviation. 😊

Great report! Wishing you all the best with the Deus II.

If you're running version 0.7 update, try B Cap level 4 and 5 on the beach against similar targets then adjust to level 3 to see if you can replicate the ID issue Bud sc describes here. That will be very intereseting.