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On 2/16/2022 at 4:11 AM, Lance said:

I was  was testing the D2 with an  11 inch coil  in salt water over the weekend. On wet sand it was giving a clear signal on a 14 inch low conductor coin (Program- Beach Sens).  In chest deep water it was was struggling on the same target at 10 inches (Program -Dive). The Ctx gave a slightly clearer signal, which might be due to the fact that I am more familiar with Ctx  . I will try some more testing this weekend

 

This is why I say all things become very equal in the salt water.  Most of the water machines have to be adjusted thus a loss of sensitivity.  Im going to assume dive mod salt balance is set to its depths so it will likely loose its sensitivity to much smaller gold…. as do other machines.  Clive it’s not in the realm of the Xcal or CZ dive depth but 30’ is plenty deep.

JCR….. it’s simply going from AM which I hunt in into disc.  I have disc set at -30 so there is less iron wrap around so I get a better read on deep targets.  I tried disc at 0 with a notch at 27 but it simply didn’t work as well

As a water hunter i appreciate you observations as diver.  As a diver id say you are are smooth and move with the water.  As a wader we have a lot more torque than you in the nearshore drift and waves. The screen .....like you i like it simple.  With more of these machines being multi use they tend to squeeze it all on one screen.... thats a lot of info most of which i dont need.   In the water i first want to hit a target..... any target, then i need to know the tones are reliable or give me the info i need, IF im lucky i can see the screen.  So durability is still an issue with me.  EVERYONE has a wish list and they cant please us all.   Even the Nox..... half the stuff i dont use and it takes me a min to get past it if i have to do any adjustments.  Most of the time once we get our machines set to our liking ..... we have to do very little adjustment.  Is that what you found during your diving?  Thanks for the threat im working my way thru it all.  For me that antenna will have to be taped down a little differently.  I noticed yours didnt move much while diving but wading it will.  If the shaft has much movement it will wear.  Nice to see it wont twist thou.   Did you feel the dive mode reduced your sensitivity to the point you may have lost targets.  But then you dont know what you dont know unless someone is comparing targets for a bit.  I dont see your opinion as anything other than that thanks.

On 2/6/2022 at 9:52 AM, Geezer said:

Dewcon,

This may not be the right place for this question, but you are certainly the right one to ask. I have been using the standard coil since 2019 when that was all there was, but now have purchased the 12” coil for this coming season. 

You mention that the larger coil changes salt balance, and I have read where you show that TID numbers seem to go up a little too. Specifically, you tested gold rings and found them hitting a point or two higher on the large coil, depending somewhat on frequency.

So, does the TID of pull tabs change the same as the gold rings? One might assume it should, but sometimes Tarsacci does not follow common wisdom. You of course will see the advantage if there is any difference at all in how that upscale presents in common trash items.

Further, aside from salt balance, does the large coil change other settings? Here also one would expect it to. I read where some say less sensitivity is required and that will help me if true, but I wonder if a notable change in ground balance is seen, or indeed any other setting. If sensitivity changes then threshold might, etc. These are settings that are site specific, but if they change in a predictable way then operating character changes. Many have commented that the stock coil will never go back on.

How I hunt is so very different than how most hunt here, but the people running the ragged edge of capability see how it translates. Many of you hunt hot and at the very limit of detection and recovery. I hunt the very opposite, at the other end of that very same capability which allows hunting sites I never could before. I appreciate the help and will post what the coil does for me when the ground thaws here.

 

Some gold will bounce but for the most part the numbers are pretty good from 4 to 10.   I’ve yet to have one fall out of the no ferr range.   I dig weak some weak ferr just to check.   Pull tabs and aluminum after the 8” range can read above a quarter.  I find this to be an advantage others may not.   When I can’t see the screen deep iron you may hear both iron and a high tone…. Pull tabs can do the same … and a lot of times I’ll pass those.  I completely understand what you are saying about backing off the power.  With most machines it cuts the chatter a lot.  But here the MDT runs fairly quiet.   It’s like hot rocks … back off a bit and they can go away on some sensitive machines.   Odd you should mention the coils.  I just put my standard back on for the winter.  Not quite as deep… but it’s sensitive to pretty small gold at better depth I believe than the 12.   Since the machine was designed around the coil adjustment and both salt and GB seems more straight forward.  I hadn’t realized I had chatter with thw 12 until i put it back on.   Coverage not as good but it does well.

There are advantages to tweaking machines on found targets especially if you can compare these targets with other people who are skilled with their machines.  Term comes to mind…. Ya don’t know what ya don’t know.   People hunt all the time with the wrong settings or really bad techniques ….. they find a few pieces of gold and think all is well.

Thank you Chase.  We all appreciate your extra effort.   That 5 year warranty is super sweet if repairs are here.

On 1/17/2022 at 10:58 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

All I can say is after having a Tarsacci for two years I’d recommend getting the Deus II. While the Tarsacci can be made to perform, there are various things about it that make a lot of people just quietly let it go after giving it a spin. In my case I really did not like the tones, and the inability to adjust them at all. There is what I consider to be a poor menu structure, that makes adjusting the detector an exercise in frustration. In bad ground there is almost no way to quiet spurious high tone false signals without employing undocumented salt balance and notch tricks, which frankly are just workarounds. Getting it tuned properly in different locations requires different tricks, is not easy, and leaves one never 100% confident the detector is set up correctly.

Despite being marketed as a beach detector, the MDT 8000 strikes me more as a ferrous/non-ferrous relic detector. The manufacturer does not even make or supply waterproof headphones for the machine. The 18 month warranty is kind of the nail in the coffin. There are some people who love the MDT 8000, and more power to them, but in my opinion, if given the opportunity to try both, most people would choose the Deus II as the one to keep. I say that having never laid hands on the Deus II, so that might indicate I’ve got pretty strong feelings on that.

Very good observation.  Deus has a crazy good warranty if it all can be done here in the states.  You can dive with it as well.  The MDT is made like a tank though with few repairs to my knowledge and it works in the water very well.  Something at this point we don’t know about the Deus or how well it will hold up to the torque.  I’m with you on those tones.  I’m lucky it runs like an Xcal in PP in the water.  It’s very much like a relic machine.  With the wrap around and just one notch I’d find using it for coin shooting in a park difficult.   

Add my 2 cents.

Headphones differ.  Those with Piezos like Tony Eisenhowers give you a better modulation and sizing.  Where as those with Audiosear speakers are louder and most targets sounds the same even weak ones.  

The is a difference between the standard and 12" coil on the beach how they like to be ran.   The standard you can increase the SB from say 23 to silence it..... but the 12" seems to like to go the other way...... with a setting of say 18.   So it can make a difference how you set them up. 

I run AM 9Khz in the water.  Ive tried 12.... but by time i got it stable (standard coil) i was at like 43.  What i noticed was 12 wasnt quit as deep as 9 AND the tones were faster choppy which means you could miss stuff.  That changes in the wet sand where 12khz had the edge for depth..... and obviously 18khz was good in the dry sand and volleyball courts to pick up more sensitive targets.   Im always in AM if i can see the screen.  Yes the screen is  jumpy running hot the way i do but if you go over targets you know it.... and of course you dont hear all those ping and pongs from falsing....... very much like running and Xcal in PP mode.

Sensitivity 9 threshold -1, full volume, black sand off (because it doesnt seem to help much in the water HOWEVER with a lot of EMI it did seem to help cut that out of the water)  SB i adjust on the fly with the standard coil i run 27ish with the 12" 30 to 33.  27 is always a pretty good starting point with these freqs.  Our sand dont GB well with low mineralization.  You can do it then a few feet away it might change so i normally run 560.  I run tracking off.  I run Disc -30.  I do this because im using reverse disc hunting.... meaning im switching to disc when i want to check to see if a target is Ferr or Non Ferr.  

Im not really looking for coins or even silver which give those high digits..... thou i will dig them if i get a good repeatable read.   Anything with iron thats deep like some bottle caps when you flip to disc you can get a high tone with some low tone.   Pull tabs and can slaw can bounce when its deep say 8" and read well above a quarter which is 20.  WHERE THAT TARGET HITS ON THE COIL CAN GIVE YOU DIFFERENT READINGS.  Try to get it a couple of inches back on the tip of the coil ..... then BARELY move the coil you will get a much better read. 

"For what you cannot see through, there is disc, good recovery speed, and excellent separation on the Tarsacci."

I see one issue with what you said....... disc.   With one notch which knocks out about 5 digits and the only other is a continuous upward disc this can be tricky depending on what you want to find. 

Well it took some time for the 12” to get out impart because he’s not a big company like ML.  BUT he gave us a really good coil…. To the point I think most prefer it.   I’ve hunted a local beach pretty hard so I’m going to experiment a bit and switched coils to see what if any the difference is out there.  I likely won’t be competing to much since the water was 55 degrees.  I think I’d do the same as you Steve in parks if I was coin shooting.  With iron wrap around and some foil/aluminum doing strange things at depth that would have to be learned.   Try and keep Dimitars ear man

On 1/30/2022 at 1:08 AM, steveg said:

Way to go, Dew!  Excellent job!  Glad you got to experience the jumpy VDI...one of my main complaints with the unit...

Steve

I hunt in AM Steve the ping and pings drive me nuts unless I’m reverse disc to locate a found target.  It does really well once you learn those bounces and what light targets may do when a little deeper.   

I kind of get stuck on 9khz in the water and 12 otherwise.  But places like these volleyball courts where it actually fairly clean ya just never know.  I’ll have to bring a rake next time….. I’ll get a work out but who knows a chain might pop up or I could get close enough to other gold.

Hard start for a new year seems company, Drs, and now COVID in the house has kept me chasing my tail.  Today I needed to get out for a couple of hours.  Didn’t feel like hunting in the water so I did something a bit different and hit a couple of volleyball courts.   Picked up these two …. Both 14k.  The earrings stone tested good.  Total weight for them were 2.3 grams.  No sunshine… but at 62 it was pretty nice out there.  Got these using 18khz cranked up in AM.   You do get a lot more EMI and jumpy screen not being in the water.  

It can be a bear out there especially with a deep machine making you dig deep holes.  Throw in some waves and ya got a party.  
 

side note …. Steve, I heard you became a dealer?   If so great.  I know we had a bit of a discussion about you and Dimitars dealings.  Hey still love this lower shaft you did.  I’ve gotten NO coil twist since… locks are great.

I think Steve’s right ….. Aaron has opted for privacy.  Tom D said he’s not heard from him in about 18 mos.  These last two year have affected us all in many ways.   I know Dimitar could interact here or on Toms site but doesn’t.  It’s obvious he reads um because we talked the other day.  He’s been on Treasure Talk and made a few detecting shows as well as hunted with some of the new buyers.  Aaron kind of kept us up to date as to what Dimitar was doing and how improvements were going.  

That’s what I like to see, Cliff with money in hand asking questions 😂.  To go along with that …. 5 years warranty is crazy good …. But if you have issues with that coil where does it go for repairs.   I know there is a guy in MA that can swap a battery but I don’t think he’s their authorized repair shop.  We get a little spoiled with most detector companies having a full service repair shop.  We both clean and try to care for our equipment…. but we put in out time out there.  So what are these connections made of? That antenna is still the item I’m curious about …. Like how’s it work out there, seems to be thin wire and why so much of it?

11 hours ago, Tnsharpshooter said:

Nice job.

Lucky to be the first there I believe.  Most anyone would have found it…. But after today’s waves it would have different.  

Even the more popular beaches are very quiet.  A year or more with fewer people and more active hunters have really worked um over.   You don’t get it all but you that many hunters and you don’t leave much.  That makes the better hunters have to put in more hours…. another stress on finds.  We did get a few more people…. But now here we go again with this new virus.  

Ha…. Tell him to stick around and you’d give him enough of them for his whole tent 😂 

I got another one ill be looking for tomorrow.  She posted it on one of the Shark Teeth FB pages here in Venice.  I picked it up off of SouthWest Fl Detecting FB page Christmas Eve and contacted her that id try find it for her since i live in Venice.  17 year old whos a been a bee keeper for year lost a custom made silver been ring that she really wants back.  The MDT should pick this one up well..... the only problem with this one is she was near shore and we just had some really high waves.  Silver had a tendancy to move with the sand if it didnt get buried quickly.   The movement was hard enough to move two buoys N.  We will see what happens.

Well this has turned into my second Christmas Eve miracle.  I managed to contact the owner yesterday.  He was one happy guy.  He lives in Ohio so I’ll send it out this week.  He never thought he’d ever see that ring since it’s been lost so long.  I like these kind of give backs where the owners are shocked and grateful someone took the time.

I decide to hit the beach for a few hours today to see what the bit of a storm we had did.   First thing…. Two of the buoys had been moved a good bit North.  I ended up getting 3 rings.  The one is a nice copper ring the other is silver.  That one in the middle after I posted it to my FB page one of the guys recognized it from someone back in Sept 2020 having lost it.  At the time it was near the sand bar and no one could get out that deep.  I found it straight in…. But now in knee deep water.  So the sands doing something.  I contacted the owner.  It’s TI with what appears to be SS band with junk stones.  That one necklace piece isn’t marked gold and is incased in SS.

It will be interesting to see what you think about hunting in AM with this machine.  I’ve not really noticed the weak signals you may get with disc.  Little different than the Xcal that in AM seems to reflect the target SIZE.   I hunted with this machine for a few years now…. I’ve not found any deep gold that read as iron

A S shaft work well.   I noticed Chuck is introducing a new stork leg for the lower.  Steve has done some really great shafts as well …. He’s got the locks down.