Rattlehead

Thank you for the detailed comparison, 350! All very interesting, especially how much tighter the IDs were. I think I’ll load 2.0 on my WS6 and compare it to .71 on my remote for a while. Thanks again!

3 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

There are several important changes from v0.71 to v1.0 and then some "fixes" to v1.0 that were done with v1.1. V2.0s change sheet for the RC update is very short. The change sheet for WS6 as master is longer. Before you make the switch to v2.0, you might want to review all of those change sheets on XPs website.

Thanks Jeff. I won't be upgrading anytime soon, but will definitely look over the change sheets before I do. 

3 hours ago, midalake said:

 

I will have 2.0 out today and will compare to .71. I have been running .71 for a week straight, so am up to speed. Going to set identical programs I was running in .71.  

Looking forward to reading your findings, midalake.

On 1/4/2024 at 4:46 AM, F350Platinum said:

 

Now I'm thinking of rolling back one of the RCs to V0.71, creating identical programs on both - this may be of interest as well if some parameters are not the same - and trying both in the same live conditions. Would anyone interested in that? I have never used any of the Gold programs, for the most part it has been Beach Sensitive, Relic, and General.

I want to help anyone who might be reluctant to update to V2. I was not reluctant and am pleased with the final outcome, but it took some effort to reach that outcome. 🙂 There are still some things that bother me, and I want to see if they were there all along.

I'd be interested in seeing that comparison as well. When 1.0 came out, I updated, tried it a few times, got frustrated and went back to what I'm familiar with in .71. I may give 2.0 a shot, since .71 will may become unavailable in the near future.

This is my 37th year. Started back in the 80s with some cheap detector from Radio Shack I believe. Followed up with a Whites Coinmaster, then a 5900 Di Pro.

7 minutes ago, UKD2User said:

That is the middle section I used (I actually bought it from Detect-Ed at the same time).

I didn't drill holes in the top end, I simply used a dab of polyeurethane gorilla glue to hold a replacement XP clip in the top end of the tube.

I kept the Nokta camlock at the bottom end - it is a little larger than the XP equivalent (and a teensy bit heavier!) - mainly because I'm not sure if the XP camlock requires the same cutout in the tube (I couldn't be bothered to check!) - it works just fine.

I actually use this rig with the Lite stem - overall it's a couple of pounds lighter than the Manticore (both with an 11").

Thank you for the info. I'm going to order one and put it on mine. 🙂

2 hours ago, UKD2User said:

I also replaced the upper section of the stem with the carbon fibre/er stem from Nokta, designed for the Legend/Simplex - it fits perfectly.

Interesting. I've been wanting to do a complete CF shaft on my Deus 2. I already have the lower shaft from Detect ED.

A few questions for you, if you don't mind:

Is this the middle shaft section you used?

https://www.noktadetectors.com/accessory/middle-shaft-carbon-fiber/

If so, did you just have to drill the holes to mount the remote? Is it the same length as the D2 middle shaft? No issues going through the D2 handle?

On the other end, the part where the lower shaft inserts, did you use the Nokta clamp to hold the Detect ED lower, or drill it to accept the OEM Deus clamp? 

Thanks!

I also remember hearing that battery limitations were the reason for not taking FBS any further. Though that was several years ago and surely battery technology has improved significantly since then. 

Anyway, I think the slow recovery speed, high conductor bias and long flutey tones were just part of the FBS DNA. Changing those things might just kill the magic FBS recipe that made it what it was. Which is a low and slow silver sucker with unmistakable tones and rock solid ID.

It would be cool to have a lightweight Etrac though.

19 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

you might want the smaller one unless you are ok with scooping a lot at one time. 👍

Scoop weight makes a big difference, that's for sure! My first time at the beach, I was using a 9.5" wide T-Rex that I had borrowed from a friend. It worked great, but man that thing was heavy! Had my shoulder hurting! Since I enjoyed beach detecting so much, I decided to go ahead and buy some equipment of my own. I noticed you mentioned the CooB scoops in a couple of threads so I picked up one of those. I think it's called the Monstrik V1? 6.25"X9" I believe. It weighs 1.75 lbs as comparted to the T-Rex's weight of 3.9 lbs (not including handle). I ordered a CF handle from steveg. 

That LC is ridiculously cool! Awesome!

Very nice coin. Congrats! I’d say it’s probably a little bit of both. Blocking out the noisy range AND using an alertive audio that makes target tones jump out at ya. I like using pitch for that very reason.

I think air testing can provide valuable information as long as it’s backed up with in the field results. Some of the custom programs that people share can be used as a good starting point, but users will likely need to make some adjustments to suit their own needs. The ultimate goal being to help the user understand how and when to use the settings

I also think some detector manufacturers expect positive reviews in exchange for sending free detectors out to these “testers”.  Last year I was contacted by a manufacturer who shall remain nameless. They asked me if I’d be interested in “testing” one of their detectors. I replied and told them “sure, but I don’t post promotional reviews or test results. If it’s good, I’ll say it’s good. If it sucks, I’ll say it sucks”. Never heard back from them. 🙄

It’s the same for me in my neck of the woods, 350. EMI isn’t a big problem most of the time. Every now and then I’ll get on a site where it gets a little noisy, but still manageable. Swapping to another base program that uses a different set of frequencies usually helps. The sites I hunt that are near the city are generally very trashy, so I’m usually just coin shooting with a lot of notch, which definitely helps cut down on the chatter.

56 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

Loved the video, @Rattlehead, great fun! Loved the Starship Deus 2 and I about shat myself at the Farting Monkey end screen! 🤣 Well done!

 

Thanks CPT! I was wondering if anyone would notice my "Farting Monkey Productions" end screen. 🤣

1 minute ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Loved the video Rattlehead. I enjoy hunting North Myrtle Beach and the beaches to the north of it too. You did great!!!

Thank you Jeff! It was nice to check off beach detecting from my bucket list. I still want to try my hand at detecting for gold soon. 

22 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Nice one Rattlehead! TBH I kinda skipped to the wrap up, but the Starship D2 is a riot. 🤣 I see you were on North Myrtle, that's the best place near the hotels. I hunted South Beach by the campgrounds and got tons of deep stuff others missed last spring.

Thanks 350! I'm glad we decided on the North side. We were originally considering South Beach. You're right. Lots of traffic on that beach! We stayed at the Paradise Resort so getting to the beach was just a matter of riding the elevator down and walking out the back. It was really fun.

Just wanted to post an update to this and say thanks again to everyone who gave me some tips.

We ended up going to Myrtle Beach SC instead of Gulf Shores. Upon arriving, I loaded up Beach Sensitive and changed the tones to pitch. I accepted everything 40 and above per the advice given here. Eventually I did end up narrowing my accepted range to 40-70 because my time there was limited and I was tired of digging clad. The Deus 2 performed great. The tones and behavior were very similar to my land program, which is what I was hoping for. I was digging some targets at well over a foot deep, so no issues there. Everything was working well, so I didn't make any changes for the rest of the time I spent there. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right? Anyway, I had a blast! Really enjoyed beach detecting and look forward to doing it again.

Here's a video of the hunt for those who care to watch:

In my soil the D2 is very accurate and stable. Not far behind my CTX. Light years ahead of the original Deus IMHO.

14 hours ago, ColonelDan said:

Just getting back in the game.  I was more concerned with hurricane prep the last few days than the forum to be quite frank about it.  

F350 gave you an effective program from which to start.

Keep in mind that pre-determined settings only serve to get you in the ballpark.  It’s then up to you to pick the best seat!   😊

Adjust/tailor those settings to your particular environment and you’ll be fine👍🏻

Go get ‘em…..

Thank you ColonelDan! 🙂

Thank you F350. I will try plugging it in .71 the best I can, or I may even temporarily update to 1.1 just to try this out. I'm saving this thread to my favs so that I can pull it back up and read it again once I get there. 🙂

1 hour ago, D&P-OR said:

This is "off topic" a little---but---I LOVE your Silver Slayer program Don.----I use it very effectively with both the 9" & 11" D2 coils.-------Del

Glad you like it. It's a simple program but I've had pretty good luck with it for cherry picking silver coins from trashy spots.

12 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

I love my 9" coil but haven't got to the the beaches with it yet. I got the the 11" a few months ago and really like it as well, so If I get to go beach hunting soon, I'm taking both with me. 😉

Love my 9" coil too. For the type of hunting I do, it's the perfect size. It's sort of spoiled me a little. Now when I go back to any other detector with a standard 11" coil, it just feels nose heavy by comparison.

2 hours ago, midalake said:

I highly recommend going with Beach Sensitive. Anything else would handicap you on any small gold and chains. Magnetic Accept, reactivity .5 to 1.0, Salt Sense 7, Audio R-6, Tracking GB, Silencer and bottlecap-0, Iron volume 3. If you are going to try to skip targets, knock out penny's and up.  

What size coil?????

GOOD LUCK!!!! 

Thanks for the tips! I only have the 9" coil, but my hunting partner has both the 11" and 13X11" that I could borrow. The 13"er is a little nose heavy for me, so I may just borrow the 11" from him.

Thank you both for the helpful replies. In that case, I'll take your advice and keep everything above foil open. Will see how bad zincs are before deciding to dig those higher signals or not. I'll also try the trick of setting up a full tones program next door to the one running pitch. 

Thanks again! If I get lucky and score some yellow, I'll post it here. 🙂

Next week I'll be going on vacation to Gulf Shores Alabama and hoping to try my hand at beach detecting while I'm there. In all my 35+ years of detecting, I've never once had my detector on a beach, so this will be brand new for me. I'd like to set up a beach program that at least sounds and behaves similar to my go-to land program, which is Fast with pitch tones. Is it as simple as loading up the beach program and making the tone adjustments, or is there other settings that I need to fine tune? Also, I want to concentrate on targets in the gold range without digging too much clad or other high conductors. My time there will be limited so I'm willing to give up most silver jewelry and even some tiny earring sized gold jewelry just to cut down on the number of targets I dig. I'm mostly looking for gold rings. So, I was thinking of setting up a notch pattern that accepts 40-75? What are your thoughts? I'm using version .71 if that matters.

If there's any other beach hunting tips or tricks you want to throw my way, I'd appreciate it! The only thing I really know is that I don't plan on going INTO the water. I'll be looking for hard packed wet sand. I'm a total noob at this! I realize my chances of actually finding a gold ring are pretty slim. Just want to check this off of my bucket list.

Thanks!

When coin shooting in heavy iron, I like to use Fast based programs because they seem to run a lot smoother and false less. The higher weighted frequency programs obviously won't hit high conductors as hard as programs running lower frequencies. So, I run a slightly higher Audio Response of 4 or 5 to help alert me a little better. Once I get the Audio Response dialed in, I rarely change it. If I'm getting too much falsing or EMI, I just lower the sensitivity a little. Of course, I don't swing anywhere near as fast as that guy when hunting in iron, so that helps too. To each his own.