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Jeff McClendon

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  1. Hi, did you find that with a detector or did it come out of a hole you were digging going after a different target. Gold and silver are far too soft and malleable, especially gold, to be used for stabbing or piercing weapons. Also, gold cannot be worked or shaped like the specimen you are holding. It has an amazing ability to smooth itself out when dented or scratched. Knapping it would be totally impossible. There have been gold and silver plated ceremonial stabbing weapons. I have found pyrite, marcasite, schist, quartzite and even sandstone that has been worked by our native Americans for weapons and tools. Some schist, quartzite and sandstone can be knapped like flint since they are similar in composition having lots of silica based quartz. Like others have said, better photos would be great. Jeff
  2. Just turn it on and press the all metal horseshoe button. If you still see the speedometer all blacked in and all segments accepted press the horseshoe button again. When the horseshoe button is pressed to enter all metal targets accepted that carries over to all of the search modes until you press the horseshoe button again to go out of all metal targets accepted then you should be back to whatever discrimination pattern applies in the search mode you are in. Jeff
  3. Hi Chase, I really appreciate the opportunity to actually backup my field experiences with good old testing and study. Whenever you contribute to a forum thread, I always know it is time for me to check your ideas (which are usually right) against mine and do the research to find out why we might differ. I always learn something valuable!!!!! thanks, Jeff
  4. 😀yep phrunt, that button shank would equal a .50 to .75 gram nugget. It would hit pretty hard in Park 1 default at up to 4" in my mineralized dirt in any ground balance mode. It would blow my headphones off in Gold 1 or Gold 2 at the same depth. Jeff
  5. Hi Chase, I am still learning the Nox and its' very different functioning features when compared to other detectors. In my little review of the YouTube video above I questioned the use of the 11" coil and tracking ground balance instead of using the 6" coil and auto/manual ground balancing relating to recovery speed and target separation. If the maker of the video had used a 6" coil and tracking ground balance he might have had little or no problem recovering two of the pin head sized nuggets he struggled to locate. I am certain that he would have had no trouble doing so with the 6" coil using auto/manual ground balance. Just as an aside, he continually claimed he knew how to operate the Nox. I never saw him properly ground balance the Nox he was using. He changed from multi to single frequencies repeatedly even after switching the detector off and back on and he never ground balanced before going into tracking. I do not agree with your statement: Unlike tracking, Iron Bias is a filter. Personally, I think in the case of tiny gold prospecting in a carpet of hot rocks and magnetite that tracking ground balance is also a kind of filter at least on the Nox 800 in Gold 1 and Gold 2 modes Here is a bit of what Steve H. has said about ground balancing in the Gold modes: Ground Balance. The default is ground tracking on. Tracking attempts to keep up with and smooth out the variations in the ground. In doing so it has a filtering effect and can possibly tune out the slight audio variations that come not just from the ground but from very small or very deep gold. Tracking off is therefore the most sensitive setting, with adjustments made via the Auto (pump) method or manually. So, I am still pondering this ground balance question and I appreciate your input. I am going to keep testing both at home and in the field. Just because Minelab has tracking ON as the default setting does not mean that it is ideal for me or that I should use it when I don't need to especially when I am using Gold 1 or 2 in multi frequency setting. thanks, Jeff
  6. Really long over 1 hour video. Edited judiciously, it could have been just as informative in about 10 minutes length or less. Otherwise, it is a fairly good example of what those three detectors can do on small to medium sized gold in hot rocks and iron trash. I don't agree with using tracking ground balance on the Nox unless it is absolutely necessary. If the mineralization had been so high that the GM 1000 and the ORX were almost unusable then I might have considered tracking ground balance for the Nox. Ground mineralization was not that bad. I think using the 11" coil plus tracking ground balance made the Nox slower in recovery speed and gave it less separation capability than using auto/manual ground balance and the 6" coil. Jeff
  7. Hi DeltaDigger I don't have an X35 coil yet. I only have the high frequency 9X5 elliptical coil. I do have moderate to high mineralized dirt to hunt in. For coins and jewelry I have been running mine on a custom program based on coin deep: discrimination 0, reactivity 2.5, sensitivity 80 to 90 depending on ground noise, 28 kHz. I have had no problem getting "Dig Me " audio responses on 6"+ deep coins, especially nickels and quarters. .58 caliber lead should be no problem. I have dug several .22 cal. and .38 cal. slugs and cartridges at 4"+. In either of the coin modes make sure to put discrimination on 0 if you can in order to make sure to get those low conductors even though their depth will definitely effect numerical target ID upwards. In fact, they may not give a numerical target ID past about 4" except for 99. They will probably high tone also. I think default discrimination is 7 which could disc out small lead and the small gold I'm after. Either default gold mode should scream on a .58 cal bullet at 4" with the HF 9X5 coil. I always ground balance!!!!! good luck, jeff
  8. nhgoldprospector keep posting. If you have a Nox 800 it is great for prospecting small gold especially with the 6" coil. Welcome to this very friendly forum!!!!! Jeff
  9. -9 to +40 =50 target ID segments and 50 tones. Jeff
  10. Andy, thank you so much for addressing this super important subject. I think Minelab originally included the recommendation about not needing to ground balance in order to reassure new or inexperienced detector users about the turn on and go aspects of the Equinox for most detecting scenarios. Unfortunately, I think that has been one of the reasons for some user complaints about overly chatty operation. Auto Ground Balancing on the Equinox takes 5 to 10 seconds max and can make a huge difference in depth, target ID accuracy and general detecting enjoyment. My detecting ground balance numbers at the areas I detect are usually -5 to +5. I have to ground balance or ground noise will just overwhelm the Equinox and me! Jeff
  11. Hi Joe76, I totally agree with you that the Makro Gold Kruzer with all of its great features is about as good as you can get for a gold specific VLF. If I was needing a high frequency VLF gold specific detector for stream prospecting in hot ground or for prospecting where steady rain was likely, it would be my first choice with the Nox 800 a close second. It is less than $700 here in the USA and comes with a decent Makro pinpointer included. My test results were what I expected for testing that is as close to targets buried in the ground as I can get. From my experience, those depth numbers would probably be up to an inch deeper in undisturbed similar hot ground. good luck Jeff
  12. Hi, finally it looks like winter is over (snowed here in Denver last week!!!!) and I got in some testing with the Makro Gold Kruzer in my fairly nasty decomposing granite and volcanic ash dirt. I have already used it for micro jewelry and even shallow coin hunting in Micro discrimination mode. It is definitely good at micro jewelry detecting and can do fairly well as a coin detector too in the multi tone Micro mode. I tested three gold targets down to 4" (11cm): a .75 gram nugget, .15 gram nugget and a tiny .05 gram picker outdoors in my test bed which has buried coin and relic targets and a 1.5" by 6" PVC pipe with PVC/styrofoam insert buried vertically in the test bed that I can remove, insert a small target and replace for in ground nugget testing at different depths. I used Gen mode, gain on 89, threshold on 7, ISAT 2, and bumped the tone pitch up to 50 to give it a higher zippy pitch. Ground balanced at 87 with 4 of 5 bars mineralization so almost in the hot zone mineralization wise. In fact if I ran the gain any higher the Gold Kruzer would go into overload. I used the 10x5 concentric and the 7x4 DD. The results were almost the same. .75 gram nugget was loud and clear down to 3" and was easily detectable at 4" with a quiet zip. .15 gram nugget was loud and clear at 2" and was easily detectable at 3" with a quiet zip. .05 gram picker could only be detected at 1" or less. Any deeper was not possible. I did the same test with my XP ORX and used similar settings especially gain at 85. I could have run it higher with no problems. It ground balanced to similar numbers in both Gold 1 at 31kHz and Gold 2 at 74kHz and had 2/3rds to 3/4ths mineralization bar filled. The results were similar in both modes with Gold 2 being better at the tiny picker. .75 gram nugget screamed at 4" .15 gram nugget was loud and clear at 3" .05 gram picker was easily detectable at 1.5" in Gold 2 and 1" in Gold 1 The Makro Gold Kruzer was similar to the Gold Racer results wise. I wish the ORX was waterproof............... Jeff
  13. Hi, everything that has been said before has worked for me. I have had to turn sensitivity/gain down to 8 or 10 in a few places here in the Denver area. Even in the moderate to high mineralization and EMI here, the Nox will still hit 6" to 8" coin sized targets with ease. Some other detectors I've used at these sites made by FTP, Tesoro, Whites and Garrett could not cope with the EMI plus high mineralization and were unusable. Jeff
  14. Maybe the Minelab dealer from the Chicago area was not joking!!! He got the Multi IQ/Vflex possibly wrong but he was close. I try to give good info when I can. Never thought I would get backup from MD Hunter.......... Jeff
  15. medium tone to high tone break is 75. Zinc penny starts at 80 jeff
  16. Both Gold 1 and Gold 2 are single tone VCO audio only. You can set that single tone's base pitch anywhere on the Tone 1 pitch scale. I run my kind of in the middle of the scale. I use the threshold tone which can also be set at any pitch. I set it an octave lower so I don't get the target tone and threshold tone confused. So you can have two different pitches at the same time but one is the target tone which modulates with the size and depth of the target and the other continuous tone is the threshold tone that drops out if anything discriminated is detected. You can also set volume levels independently for the target tone and threshold tone which is really nice. Like Phrunt, I have to use a little iron disc like -9, -8 and -7 where I hunt due to an abundance of hot rocks. Its either discriminate or go nuts in my case. I don't want to go nuts in the middle of nowhere...... Awesome finds, Phrunt!!!!! Jeff
  17. Hi Chase, my Bad!!! I should have just said that the same large numerical target ID screen is used for all the modes on the ORX. Yes, there are numerical target IDs displayed in Gold Field on the Deus. Depending on which visualization screen one is using the numerical target IDs are medium sized characters to extremely tiny - 1/8" characters. I usually used the XY graph when prospecting to get an easy to read visualization with no other clutter. I never even remember getting a numerical target ID up in the top right corner of the screen. I probably would not have been able to see it anyway without magnification. The ORX seems to be tailor made for me and my age related worsening eyesight..... thanks for the correction... Jeff
  18. Nokta Simplex sounds like a great detector but it has not been released yet. Fisher F44 is in your price range and you could get an F-Pulse pinpointer to go with it. Some vendors like Serious Detecting, Big Boy Hobbies etc. might make you a nice bundle deal. 5 year warranty. Water resistant control box and waterproof coils. This detector is not the deepest but it is an excellent buy and has a large selection of FTP and aftermarket coils to choose from. Same for the Teknetics T2+ or Teknetics Patriot. 5 year warranty. Very powerful, fast detectors. The F4 is older tech, just like the X-Terra. The X-Terra is a great detector but has very slow recovery speed/separation. The Whites Treasure Pro is okay but it also suffers from slow recovery speed and target separation. You can definitely find an AT Pro in your price range if you bargain with the dealers. Again it is older, somewhat slower tech/recovery speed and separation. Makro Racer 2 is awesome So is the newer Makro Kruzer. You can probably find one just above your price range. Jeff
  19. Great finds and an excellent site choice for hunting. Glad to see you digging all of those zinc pennies. Some of my best finds with the Nox have been targets in the zinc penny range that I would not have found if I ignored them. I dig as many penny signals as I can stand during a session especially if I just get a single 19 or 20 or 21 reading with no jumping numbers. thanks for posting. Jeff
  20. Hi Dave, I am not even going to try to give any hints (not being a beach hunter, you have already said you don't want to hear anything I have to say). I am going to make a general statement which is that default Beach 2 is by far the most chatty of the Park, Field and Beach modes in my high EMI detecting areas. Like Steve and Chase, my remaining productive detecting time due to my age is too short for me to even consider using much less owning a detector that doesn't suit me for the majority of my detecting scenarios. If I can't trust it or if it has as many shortcomings as you have described, it's gone.............. Jeff
  21. Hi Rob, thanks for letting me know which coil you have. I think the HF round coil is a great coil. It is definitely a little deeper than the elliptical coil and covers a little more area too which is why it may appear to not separate targets as well as the elliptical. If I was a relic/coin/jewelry hunter only, I would definitely use the coil you have. The ORX back phones were uncomfortable on my really big head until I realized that I could unhinge the back of the head part and fold it down on my neck. I also bent the plastic by hand around the ear pieces so they would not rub on my ears as much. I think they are starting to feel better especially if I put them on first and then put on my sunglasses. I had a T2 for awhile. Due to its susceptibility to EMI no matter how I set it up, it was a no go for me. Jeff
  22. Hi, You did not mention what size coil you are using on your ORX. I have the 10X5" HF elliptical coil which separates extremely well. I have the 6" coil for my Equinox which also is outstanding. You could get the little 5" Greek/Gold Bug Pro round elliptical for your Minuteman for less that $50 if you shop carefully. It would make the Minuteman very handy in tight spaces. All three of these detectors do very well around large metal posts, etc. if you turn the sensitivity down to about 1/3 or less of maximum from my experience, while swinging the coil towards the metal object and listening for double beeps or single beeps. The Tesoros are no different in that regard, again from experience. Since your budget is $600 or less, the two that I would have suggested are out = (Etrac or CTX 3030). Those two give you a lot more on screen information that could help with determining the identification of a target before you dig. They are not anything close to perfect however. The Outlaw and many other Tesoros are outstanding at separating targets and they have good discrimination. However, just like the ORX and the Equinox, they will not do all the work for you. In fact, most of the Tesoros require a lot more work from the user than the ORX and especially the Equinox. You have to learn what the qualities within the single tone (most Tesoros like the Outlaw, are single tone audio) are telling you and work the discrimination knob a lot. You are up against THE problem here which is too many good targets and too many trash targets create virtually the same response on most detectors under $1000. After hundreds of hours on a Tesoro Silver microMax I was just about able to predict what the target was if it wasn't too deep by the audio response and the position of the discrimination knob. After thousands of hours on the Nox, I am rarely surprised unless the target hits in the 18 to 23 range with numbers that don't jump around. Many nice finds come from that range. After less than three hundred hours on the ORX and Deus combined, I am just beginning to be able to guess......... As far as I know there is NO detector that can do what you are asking in your price range or really any price range as far as VLFs are concerned. Many manufacturers have detectors with displays that make you believe that you have detected a particular target by having labeled bins or actual words that appear on the screen. To me, those are just gimmicks and in that trashy target range that you are complaining about those "aids" are fairly useless. You have owned (Equinox) and own in the ORX/Deus two of the best detectors ever for doing just what you are asking for in this thread. The Minuteman is also very good and really reminds me of a Tesoro with a screen, target ID, discrimination and multi tone audio. All three of these treat you like a grown-up and require you to learn and remember from long experience, the target ID numbers and audio responses. That is what it is all about. You have to be the ultimate discriminator of targets.....not the detector. Maybe there will be some kind of x-ray visual imaging detector that we can all afford before too long. That however would take the fun and more importantly the skill and artistry out of detecting in my opinion. good luck, Jeff
  23. Recently purchased the XP ORX. A family member gave me a generous dollar amount Amazon gift card. I had nothing to spend it on since I'm not a Prime customer and I was sort of missing my former Deus. I had read a lot of speculative reviews (how can you write a review without having one in your hands to use) and some really negative ones too which had lots of seemingly inaccurate information. So I was eager to give the ORX a try once it became possible, money wise. I sold my Deus because of the lack of ID normalization for the HF coils which made coin and jewelry detecting no fun with them. Those coils were great for gold prospecting and I loved the packability of the Deus. The ORX really does have full ID normalization for all four search modes and all of the 21 frequencies I have tried using the elliptical HF DD coil. It has a much improved numerical target ID screen and gives accurate numbers and tones down to 4" using either of the coin modes in the moderate to highly mineralized dirt where I detect in the Rocky Mountain region. It outdoor air tests and test bed tests very well on .2 gram to 1 gram nuggets and lead in both gold modes at 68kHz and is comparable in depth to the Makro Gold Kruzer and Equinox 800 (6" coil). The iron probability bar and the large numerical target ID are displayed when a shallow to fairly deep target is detected in all of the 4 search modes and the two customizable modes. There is no horseshoe graph, XY graph, microscopic mineralization bar, or small, hard to see target ID numbers on the ORX. It comes with two gold modes which are based on the Deus gold field program. One is for milder soil conditions and the second gold program is for highly mineralized areas and smaller gold. It also comes factory preset with the Deus Fast and Deus Deep programs which work very well in my area. It also has a salt mode when needed. There are no adjustments for audio response and the silencer is adjusted when reactivity is adjusted in the Coin Fast program. It has three tone audio which may sound very limited to long-time Deus users but works very well. US nickels and almost all aluminum trash and gold jewelry down to about 4" depth register as medium tone. Zincs up to large silver coins and jewelry register as high tones. The target ID numbers are also very stable down to 4" here. They should be stable much deeper in mild soil. Modern nickels hit hard on 62-63 while most coin sized or bigger aluminum trash hits between 65 and 80 which is a nice large range. Smaller aluminum seems to hit in the 40 to 60 range while small foil hits in the 30s. I have dug several 1/4" in diameter foil wads which sounded great at 6" in Coin Fast at 28kHz. Being a micro jewelry/gold prospector, this is very encouraging. So, I can't wait to get the ORX and its gold modes up to some prospecting areas in the Colorado mountains this summer. It comes with simplified wireless back phones that just control the volume level. I couldn't see the display on the WS4 module without magnification anyway so not having that problem to deal with is fine with me. The back phones work well. The ORX remote control has the same 1/8" jack as the Deus so that is an option for wired headphones along with using the Deus wired headphone adapter card that is an accessory and attaches to the back of the ORX back phone module the same way as the Deus WS4 puck controller. It will pair and has advanced functions when using the Mi6 Pinpointer also. At 1lbs 14 oz, it feels a lot lighter than the Deus, has a great, easy to see target ID/iron probability display, HF coil ID normalization and is simple to setup without all of the sometimes cumbersome audio features of the Deus. The only adjustments I have made coin and jewelry hunting are slight frequency shifts and lowering of the sensitivity in highly mineralized areas. I have not experienced any EMI problems at all above 28 kHz. 14 to 17 kHz is a little more chatty of course, but can be controlled. Despite much of the speculative and negative pre-release opinions, the ORX is an outstanding selectable multi frequency, multi purpose detector that is a joy to use and have success with, without wondering most of the time if I have it setup correctly. For me and my detecting needs, it is actually an improvement over the Deus not just a simplified Deus and it definitely isn't a DPR 600 which uses much of the same display platform as the Deus and has four single tone threshold based all metal modes for prospecting and no coin/jewelry modes. The ORX has all of the audio sensitivity of the Deus if you were to set the Deus up in three tones. So, it looks a lot like a Deus, sounds like a Deus, detects like a Deus and swings like one too. It has been a lot of fun so far. Jeff
  24. Hi, this is an update with some corrections of previously stated information in this thread after very preliminary testing of the ORX using the HF elliptical coil. ID Normalization is definitely on full-time with the HF coil. Shifting frequencies on surface to 4" deep coin sized targets (used a nickel and quarter) in my test bed did not result in any major changes of target IDs. They stayed roughly the same with only slight up averaging on deeper targets. After 4" in my dirt (ground mineral bar on the ORX is up to 2/3 filled) only the Nox will ID a nickel with any accuracy. Target IDs also stayed the same when changing between the four search modes regardless of frequency used. So even in the gold modes the target IDs remained the same. Nickel=61-63, zinc penny=85-86, copper penny/clad dime/mercury dime=90-92, clad quarter=95-96. One of my biggest complaints with the Deus using the HF coils was the complete lack of ID normalization which resulted in a tiny target window for most US coins between 90 and 95 and high tones on almost all targets that weren't on the surface. Tone Breaks are adjustable for the lowest tone. You can put it anywhere from 0 to 99 by changing the discrimination. So for instance, if you set you discrimination on zero in either of the coin modes you will not have a low tone for any target above zero. Medium tone starts at the highest number of the user set discrimination level and goes up to 75 where high tone begins. Audio Modulation does exist on the ORX. In the 3 tone coin modes surface to shallow targets have much louder and broader responses and deeper targets have progressively softer and shorter responses. In the single tone gold modes the same holds true. It is similar for pinpoint mode. Surface to shallow coin sized targets produce strong higher pitches and deeper or very small targets produce much softer and lower pitches. A Depth Meter of sorts does exist on the ORX. It is built into the pinpoint function just like on the Deus. I have only tested this on coin sized objects. Surface to shallow (0 to 3") coins pinpointed will fill in or almost fill in the pinpoint target box. Deeper to very deep coin sized targets (4 to 8") will only fill in less than half to only 1/8 or less of the pinpoint target box. The updated armrest and shaft are amazingly lightweight. I know that there is only a 2 ounce weight difference but to me it feels like a lot compared to the Deus. Jeff
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