Jeff McClendon

I am going to assume that this quote is referring to Beach Sensitive. I am one of the idiots that said at least on paper, Beach Sensitive is like having a gold prospecting mode for a saltwater beach. Since I have never used a Deus 2 let alone Beach Sensitive at a gold prospecting site or Beach Sensitive at a saltwater beach on sub .1 gram nuggets............I have no clue except that I assume that the salt ground balance values for the frequencies used are going to seriously effect tiny gold nugget detection in the sub .1 gram range or any target that has a VDI near the salt ground balance values

I personally like all of Sid's videos....always have. So, it has nothing to do with my own personal reasons. It's simple. Either Sid is not comfortable enough with the Equinox Gold modes and the Legend Goldfield mode to use them in the video or it was an oversight. Either way it is no big deal. Another very good UK Youtube creator did a similar thing when he used his ORX in Coin Fast vs Deus ll in Relic mode in a 30 minute wild hunt video. It was a joke basically and many people gave him grief for making the ORX (which many of his viewers had purchased because of his recommendations) look so bad when all he had to do was put the ORX in Gold 1........... He had to do verbal back flips for several weeks and finally just said he was simply using the ORX in the mode he knew and wasn't really doing a comparison........very telling statement. Either one basically knows their detector or they don't. The follow up to that is why is this person making a depth comparison video??????? I just continue to want to see a head to head VCO vs VCO vs VCO video between these detectors if one is interested in overall raw depth. That would teach me and anyone else who wants to know, how to use those modes in real world relic situations and how they stack up. I can do the Legend vs Equinox VCO comparisons myself......don't have a complete Deus 2 Lite yet.

Rick, have you adjusted the volume on the stock BT headphones. I had to work with it to get the volume just right for me......and then when the wind blows hard (when does it not blow here) I have to reset the headphone volume a bit. Glad you got a Legend. It seems like it will be great for fresh water lake hunting.

Now for a few less positive aspects of my impressions of the Legend. Most of these are my own personal issues and not a fault of the Legend. My main issue is the onboard pinpoint feature. The Legend running 1.05 in heavily iron and/or aluminum trashed sites or in higher mineralization needs to have the coil really centered over the target both for the best IDs and for pinpointing with the onboard pinpointer. This may be related to the iron bias fixed setting.............The Legend seems to have outstanding target separation otherwise (the amount of coin spills me and the Legend have located in a month is staggering) so...........I have had some difficulty locating targets in trashy areas after pinpointing them. I mean, I get a good stable target ID on a deeper 4 to 6" coin sized target, pinpoint it with the Legend's onboard pinpointer and then struggle to find the target in areas where I have to use screwdriver/coin popping recovery techniques due to digging restrictions. Often the Legend will pinpoint the target as under the coil nut but the actual target is 2 to 3" away from that spot laterally. So, this may just be me. I do have a little trouble seeing the pinpointing meter when it is totally full indicating the coil nut is over the target. Also, this whole issue maybe Bluetooth related since I have yet to detect with the Legend using the external speaker or with other forms of headphone connection in the field. I guess I need a pair of prescription bifocal sunglasses. I have trouble seeing many things on the Legend display. That goes for several other higher end detectors too so again, not the Legend's fault. My next most pressing "issue" is trusting the user profile function. The Legend's 16 user profile slots (four for each of the four search modes) are very generous in number but they are fairly hard for me to navigate. I need a magnifier to make sure that I have done everything correctly. Nokta Makro, don't change anything just because I have a hard time seeing something. That is not what I am asking. I am just saying I can't see the vast majority of the smaller details on the screen very well. I have set up saved user profile 1s for Park, Field and Goldfield successfully and they work well. I am just afraid I will press the wrong button and lose the profile since I can barely see the checkmark on the user profile file icon in the settings menu........ Which brings me to my next thing. Right now, I would be afraid to have a full system reset function unless it required more than one button to activate it. I am constantly pressing the wrong buttons even after using the Legend for a month. That is not Nokta Makro's fault. I need to learn the detector. Having a one button push reset.........I know I would press it accidentally. Otherwise, I really like how the Legend detects, its other ergonomics and the build quality. Please feel free to comment in this thread. I am not going to nit pick your posts or comments other than to support you while we learn this detector together.

A few "relics" (not really) from a ranch house site that was torn down in the early 1960s. 1968 Zippo lighter and some other pre-1960s targets. Very mineralized ground and lots of more modern and square nails. The wind was blowing a steady 25-30 mph. I could barely hear the Legend (not its fault!) even with headphones on.

I have been using my Legend WHP for a month now with 14 less than 2 hour hunts. I have found two gold rings, one gold earring, two silver rings, a dozen pieces of bling jewelry, a Mercury dime, Roosevelt silver dime, five wheat pennies, and $103.45 in US clad. So almost $150 in melt value gold and silver plus the US clad, my Legend is approaching half paid for in one month of fairly short hunts since I am still nursing a bad ankle. The only “issue” I have had with the Legend is 4 hours of unsuccessful attempts to update the 1.06 software. Looks like that was actually a good thing considering that 1.06 was pulled, aside from the loss of 4 hours that I could have been hunting. The Legend has been a pleasant surprise to say the least.

That is a little cavity lined with quartz crystals. That can happen quite often in flint, chert, chalcedony and agate since they are cryptocrystalline forms of quartz. Any crack, crevice or cavity within those varieties of quartz can make enough room for secondary deposits of quartz along with other minerals including gold to form crystals.

I have been purposely looking for kettle points and trade points at several 19th century "Indian War" sites. The native Americans that used them were very keen on collecting and reusing them and did not leave them on battlefields or hunting sites if at all possible. Great Find!!!!!!

That is not the ultimate comparison in my opinion. If one is testing a VCO audio mode on one detector then any other detector with VCO audio should also be compared using that type of audio. Goldfield on the Legend and the two Gold modes on the Equinox are VCO single tone audio similar to Deus 2 Relic and Goldfield. Which one is deeper doesn't particularly matter to me. From any testing and actual field detecting that I have done, the Legend, Equinox, Deus 1 and ORX single tone VCO audio modes are deeper and more sensitive than any other mode on those detectors. I can't test Deus 2 yet since I don't have a 9" coil. However, not testing them head to head is puzzling.

Make the threshold tone in all modes be able to blank/null on targets with IDs that are discriminated out by a preset or custom discrimination pattern. Add a mineralization meter either in a timed out window or as a button feature. Keep up the great work and thanks for asking for our input.

I agree with Chase in that single frequency vs good quality SMF detectors like the Etrac, CTX, Equinox, Deus 2 and even the Legend, really are a comparison between a detector (single frequency) hitting a deep target and a detector (SMF) not only hitting it but identifying it or at least its conductivity accurately in most cases. Like you and GB Amateur have noted, basing buying decisions on some YouTube tester’s results and marketing information is very iffy unfortunately due to test garden conditions, tester’s parameters (accurate target ID not usually being one of them) where just hitting a target is good enough and marketing mumbo-jumbo. All I can say is why would you upgrade a big coil on the Simplex with a slightly bigger one, when the Simplex has already shown itself to be inferior or basically equal to your T2’s and Gold Bugs as far as inaccurate target IDs on deeper targets. My results in my dirt showed the Simplex to be very similar in all but four ways to the T2, F75 and F70 along with the F19. Those four improvements were slightly better target ID on surface to 6” targets, wireless audio, internal rechargeable battery and waterproof. The Simplex was no where near as accurate target ID wise as my Equinox and Vanquish or the Legend I have now. For the price, the Simplex is an incredible deal when compared to the price of a new T2, F75 or F19 along with a new Garrett AT Pro, AT Gold or AT Max if all one needs is a single frequency detector and one is willing and able to go beep/dig on deeper targets.

I tried to update my Legend for 4 hours yesterday. I used the same Windows laptop that I used for Multi Kruzer, Gold Kruzer and Simplex updates along with two different Macs. I could never get the computers to recognize that my Legend was plugged in to them even after downloading the USB port drivers that are linked on Nokta Makro’s website download instructions. I have noticed that my charging/data cable has had some issues during charging……mainly that sometimes my Legend will power up randomly during charging. So maybe I have a wonky charging/data cable. Hopefully the problem is not in the control unit.

SHB111, you have been a very amiable topic starter and your enthusiasm, willingness to do testing and to listen to the those that have commented with open ears is very commendable. I concur with olddog46. The arrow and spear points look way too fresh, uniform in shape and size and are made from more "pretty" forms of agate and chalcedony than most North American authentic points found in the wild. That does not take away from their beauty.

Flint is very interesting material. There are places in Europe and the US (others probably too) where flint and chert are found within sedimentary rocks like limestone and chalk as nodules. Some are huge. There are some amazing sounding theories about how the flint/chert was once gelatinous silica which filled holes made in the limestone or chert that were originally either cavities created by sea life like bore holes, the decomposition of actual animals that left spaces for the flint/chert to form or similar spaces caused by disintegrating plant life, sponges, etc. So flint and chert are kind of in a weird in between category (is it a rock or a mineral) since they form in sedimentary rocks but are secondary formations. As I said, some of the flint nodules in Europe are the size of a big house and have a uniform texture and a regular almost spherical or disc like shape which could indicate that there were some huge single cell living things in the oceans of the earth at one time. Other nodules have fossilized remains in them that are easily recognizable as plants/animals that we are familiar with.

Two 1.5 hour hunts at local Denver parks with the Legend. Found 332 zinc pennies in one 2'X2' area about 4" deep. Took me almost an hour to recover them and I needed to change my Tek-Point pinpointer batteries afterwards. I just thought there might be a huge piece of aluminum or a buried 6-pack in the ground..........or maybe a casket? Today I would have been happy with just the clad coins and a wheat penny, but I will take a sterling, 10k, 14k and copper ring anytime. The Legend did really well still in Park M1 with the 1.05 software. The 10K .85 gram ring had a 15 for target ID. The 14K 2.3 gram was 19. These small women’s rings were all in the same hole. I found the sterling one first at 4” depth. The 10K and 14K were just a few inches left and right of the sterling one at the same depth.

I am so glad someone bought your F19. Just having it for sale on this site was giving me nightmares caused by chronic F19 separation syndrome. I can take a nice deep breath now, knowing I don't have to struggle with whether I was going to send you a PM or not😁

Thanks Sven. I don't have the wired headphone adapter so I can't test that possibility. The threshold tone volume gradually and pleasantly increases in Park, Field and Beach using the external speaker. I hear no gradual increase of the threshold tone in Goldfield using the external speaker. It just suddenly comes on at setting 5 at a fairly loud volume and gets ridiculously loud by the time it gets to default 13. So, some have reported this as just a BT/BT headphone issue. There is more going on than that which needs to be addressed. By the way. I am a big fan of the Legend. It has proven to be quite a detector. I just want it to be better especially in its Goldfield mode.

I hope that all of the fine people at Nel in Ukraine and their families are safe and that they will be able to reopen soon

Okay, just talking about it made it better. I think I can resist the overwhelming temptation….. Let’s see, I have two Nox 800s, a Deus 1 and the Legend which can all run at roughly 19 kHz so why would I need a Camo F19 with the 10X5 coil…….It’s got those awesome knobs that actually work like old school analog knobs and…………….😱

I have a totally ridiculous infatuation with the Fisher F19/Gold Bug Pro/Technetics G2+. I have bought and sold 5 of them and regretted it each time. It is all I can do to not buy the one Noah FL has for sale on the Classified forum right now plus it‘s the Camo version with the 10X5 coil………..Please help me!!!!!!

I know I am being picky. Maybe I am asking too much. But I want every advantage I can get when hunting for very small non ferrous targets like sub gram gold nuggets or for very deep targets using the Goldfield mode. I remember seeing the illustration in the manual showing the threshold being continuous in Goldfield as opposed to blanking on rejected targets in Park, Field and Beach. I wish that nulling was included in Goldfield. My point here is that the actual threshold tone is not very audible until setting 10. Others have noticed this too. I have no need of the threshold as it is currently set at 10 or above. It is just useless noise in my opinion. The same happens using the external speaker at setting 5. In both cases the threshold tone is suddenly audible instead of being a gradual volume increase. My other point is that there is enough background noise when the threshold is set below ten (even though the tone sounds more like intermittent static than a threshold tone) to act as a nulling threshold. That background noise will null/go silent over discriminated target IDs in Goldfield. That is a very good thing in my opinion. I just wish that background noise was a little more controllable. I am assuming that what I am hearing with the threshold set at 9 or below is part of the target tone/ground noise floor. I use the same technique with the Equinox.......run it as hot as possible so the ground noise will act as a quasi threshold tone which will also null on discriminated target IDs in the Equinox gold modes since the Equinox threshold tone in the Gold modes does not null over discriminated targets. So, I want the threshold tone to start being more gradually audible for sure instead of just coming on at almost full blast at setting 10. However, I also would like to hear the other quasi reference noise that is being generated by the VCO audio too which acts like a nulling threshold............. Since Nokta Makro were good enough to add single digit discrimination to Goldfield, please also make the threshold tone officially a reference threshold if you can.

I have been doing some field testing on small gold, lead, hot rock and typical Western USA gold fields iron/tin trash. All of this testing has been done with planted targets in mineralized ground using the 11" coil and with software update 1.05 installed. At some gold prospecting sites I would probably run the Legend in Goldfield M using the A (all target IDs accepted) discrimination pattern so using an audible reference threshold tone is not crucial. At sites where mineralization is not overpowering I would probably use the Legend in Goldfield M using the G (ground) discrimination setting (1 and 2 rejected) or something similar so that iron minerals like magnetite along with some iron trash will have broken tones and would hopefully be accompanied by a nulling threshold. So far using the Ground (G) or Iron (F) discrimination patterns, I can only hear a nulling threshold on magnetite and iron targets by using a threshold tone volume level of 9 or less. The actual threshold tone itself at volume level 9 or less is very erratic, intermittent, actually hard to hear and unpredictable. I can hear it stop (null) however if I use a sensitivity setting of around 18 or higher. Using threshold volume level of 10 or more creates a constant, unwavering, easy to hear threshold tone which does not null over targets that are being rejected using the G or F discrimination patterns. Hopefully Nokta Makro can fix this issue.

The only time feathers get ruffled on here is when we start preaching instead of teaching or just giving honest opinions and reports from our own experiences. You are just telling your story as it happens which has been a great read.

For me, using Disc IAR depends on the amount of shallow iron targets on or near the surface, the amount of iron mineralization and the size and type of targets I am after. In milder ground without tons of iron targets I use as much as I can to really break up the tone on iron targets. If there are multiple iron targets under every swing and/or higher iron mineralization I usually use as little as possible or none to avoid accidental masking. That’s just me. I am no expert. Did XP change the threshold for the Deus 2 Relic and Gold Field modes so that using some Disc IAR, the threshold tone will clearly null on iron targets using both PWM and Square audio? I heard some early reports that it doesn’t null. Maybe I am mistaken. On Deus 1 and the ORX in their gold modes, the sparky PWM VCO audio almost has a natural background “threshold” even with the actual threshold on zero. Turning up the threshold and using some Disc IAR on an iron target not only breaks up iron target responses, it can also completely silence the audio if set high enough and the iron target isn’t too deep.

Absolutely, one tone VCO audio like Deus 1 Gold Field, ORX Gold modes, Deus 2 Gold Field and Relic modes and the Equinox Gold modes to name a few that I have endured for days and days gold prospecting, can definitely wear out my hearing and morale sometimes. They get old and I hear an imaginary threshold tone for hours after using them. However, they will hit the deep, heavily masked and smaller targets that other modes on the same detectors won't hit even in mineralized dirt. Some fairly recently released detector's VCO hybrid threshold based all metal modes modes are no deeper than their discrimination modes. That is not the case with XP and Minelab. I can't wait to read some more of your posts in this topic. Thanks!!!!!