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I am not sure how many beach hunters experience iron wrap-around. [I do] and it is a PIA. There is no carpet of iron here, but I go have plenty of iron targets. However, I dig very few, mostly because I recognize the target sounds bad and these throw numbers in the 70's. The 1-2- and 5-peso coins are part ferrous and nonferrous. So, I sort through these, maybe a 100 plus in 3-4 hours. To me there is a big difference on how iron sounds. If you are looking for something to silent search in heavy iron, I do not think you will find any machine. Talking about numbers> Black sand and salt does not give good numbers. I highly suggest learning what the difference in sounds are with some general TID numbers. If the target is deep enough to throw multiple numbers it cannot be trusted, but you should trust the range of numbers it is throwing. Example: We were testing the Manticore, and my friend called me over to look at a fringe target he was going to pass on. While this target did not sound good to me after 360 inspection it kept throwing me a 43 every three sweeps or so. I told him I would dig it; he offered it back to me, I said no you should dig it. A couple of minutes later he showed me a gold ring in his scoop and a big smile! I also hunt the D2 with the 9" coil. Not sure what your using, my Deus stays dedicated to mostly water contact. That 9" coil is a dream to push through wave wash and it makes target recovery easy. The smaller coil will perform better in your case. As for Dive mode> I am not sure this will do better in your location. Different frequencies my help. The only way to know is to set-up a program and try. For the record, Beach P is the worse [I think] for iron wrap-around and getting good separation of ferrous and nonferrous targets.

As a beach/water hunter. Finding nothing rings up as boring all the time! 😎

So, I can expect 6 more months! Too bad they do not have the update in the hands of a real beach hunter!

Manticore is impressive on gold chains. Depending on conditions and hunt mode small stuff should be no problem.

I am not really sure why you would do that [notching]? Reactivity too high for my taste. Where is your salt at? Try not to go below 7. If you cannot run Beach, why not try the dive program? Beach and Dive are the same when it comes to gold chains. Dive may get you considerable huntable depth with less filters. Also> Set a dive program up and check iffy targets. Iron falsing can come in anywhere. I think any notching above 28 is not good for beach hunting. You have to learn some of these iron signals by sound [not notching] and a 360 look at the target. I highly recommend a two-tone program for Black Sand with the first bin stopping at 22. This will help greatly with black sand and some low iron wrap. When you have doubtful targets, take the sensitivity up 2-3 notches just to look at that one target, also if needed take a scoop out and check for target changes. Almost always nonferrous will sound better.

I have been hunting the same beach a long time. There really is more of a correlation to conditions rather than where targets are. My beach is rough, but differences between calm days and an extended wave event can really move targets. As a general rule, chains stay low on the slope and gold rings and coins can be found anywhere from top of the slope to the bottom of the trough. My tides change less than 12" from high to low, but hunting low tide can be better. The key might be to see where targets are on a given day and hunt that region.

I have struggled with black sand too. Right now, I am running a two-tone program where the first tone break goes to 22. I have also taken that first tone to 202hz and I think my iron volume is at 2. The second tone break 23-100 I have taken it to 835hz so the tones on nonferrous really jump out. Remember> nothing really ID's correctly in black sand anyway so just knowing ferrous or nonferrous is the important factor. My beach balances at 87 but I always run tracking and it helps with pockets of more concentrated black sand. Right now I can run magnetic accept, but in the summer my conditions were worse and was running reject. I have not tested depth between the two [but I should] There are other settings on the Deus 2 that can help black sand, which programs are you running and what are your settings?

Ya, there are lots of wives tales/fallacies in metal detecting.

Gosh? How long before Deus come out with their extra coils for the D2? Not to mention an update, I suffer from iron wrap-around beach hunting would be nice to see if that can be mitigated. 😇

That may be a POV? The Manticore will produce more finds than the Equinox. [and I really like the Equinox] One should pay attention to poster "meggie" over on Friendly Forums to see what the Manticore can do from someone who is swinging it.

This guy who hunts in tennis shoes and does not go near the water? I am supposed to listen to him? 😏

First 5 days all tests were done in factory settings. Next 5 days were done with custom settings. However the custom settings remained consistent between the three choices. Testing was done with recovery speeds in 4,5 and 6 Sensitivity was chosen in a practical huntable amount for this location. Between 20-22 for all modes. As to not skew any one choice. Example: if we could hunt at 20 comfortably in low conductor that is where the testing was done. Likewise, if 22 was comfortable to hunt in Sea Water that is where the testing was done.

Hi Bill What part of the beach? One issue was when the legend first came out and before the update it was not huntable salt in water contact.

No YouTube for me. Easy tests to do for anyone. We could not get any type of gold [chains or rings] to perform better. Kept huntable sensitivity settings between 20-22 in all modes depending on what part of the beach we were hunting.

UPDATE> Had the Manticore here for another 5 days. Could not get one gold test in low conductor to outperform Sea Water or Beach Deep. Just dumbfounded.

So to be clear? You use PWM? Have you modified the MHz of the tone? How many tones do you use?

Would you like to share your audio set-up?

this is a simple math equation! What is the difference between a coil mount that is 1.5 inches off-center AND a lower rod that is extended 1.5 inches further with a center mount coil?

These were the test subjects. We have been checking wild targets, Manticore and D2 both wet sand and moving water.

The offset coil is a nightmare for a beach hunter. Would there be anything wrong with extending your lower rod? Gives you more coverage on your swing too! 😊 There is a person who thinks he is a good beach hunter on Youtube and I watch his swing sweep with about a maximum of 3' in total. I just laugh! Not sure why people are so obsessed swinging at their feet?

I have the Manticore here for the second time testing. All-in all, the Manticore will out hunt the Equinox on the beach. The only place the Equinox will come close is wet sand with no water contact. The Manticore is Better in moving salt water, and it is not even close. It may be better than the D2, but that would need a little more time to compare. In all our testing the Manticore is better on gold chains and deep buried gold rings in the wet sand than both the Equinox and D2. We are out for the last day of a 5-day stretch of testing. Yesterday was chain day, the top two were found the Manticore and the bottom one was found with the D2.

I charge and get more for that work.

I disagree. If you do not want your Equinox ears to break, then epoxy the coil stiffener to the coil ears and do not skimp on product!

Hi Jeff Why are you using a recovery of 8?? Your soil? Carpet of nails? Thanks.

My fear is: They will tell you the pod is not serviceable. Seems like a common bunch of words out of their mouths.