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9 hours ago, 619_805_okie said:

customized beach where i turned up reactivity to 2.5 and notched out 0-15 and 65-88.

I am not really sure why you would do that [notching]? Reactivity too high for my taste. Where is your salt at? Try not to go below 7.  

If you cannot run Beach, why not try the dive program? Beach and Dive are the same when it comes to gold chains. Dive may get you considerable huntable depth with less filters. Also> Set a dive program up and check iffy targets. 
 

9 hours ago, 619_805_okie said:

I get lots of iron falsing in the 80s and 70s is almosy always aluminum for me.

Iron falsing can come in anywhere. I think any notching above 28 is not good for beach hunting. You have to learn some of these iron signals by sound [not notching] and a 360 look at the target.

I highly recommend a two-tone program for Black Sand with the first bin stopping at 22. This will help greatly with black sand and some low iron wrap. 

When you have doubtful targets, take the sensitivity up 2-3 notches just to look at that one target, also if needed take a scoop out and check for target changes. Almost always nonferrous will sound better.  

On 3/23/2023 at 11:14 PM, 619_805_okie said:

I'm curious if you all have noticed any specific types of items in the areas you find jewelry.

I have been hunting the same beach a long time. There really is more of a correlation to conditions rather than where targets are. My beach is rough, but differences between calm days and an extended wave event can really move targets. 
As a general rule, chains stay low on the slope and gold rings and coins can be found anywhere from top of the slope to the bottom of the trough. 
My tides change less than 12" from high to low, but hunting low tide can be better.
The key might be to see where targets are on a given day and hunt that region. 

7 hours ago, 619_805_okie said:

I have a few custom programs set to coin shoot in black sand. Mainly programs to notch out iron falsing and aluminum but trying to refine these to better sort out black sand.

I have struggled with black sand too. Right now, I am running a two-tone program where the first tone break goes to 22. I have also taken that first tone to 202hz and I think my iron volume is at 2. The second tone break 23-100 I have taken it to 835hz so the tones on nonferrous really jump out. Remember> nothing really ID's correctly in black sand anyway so just knowing ferrous or nonferrous is the important factor. 
My beach balances at 87 but I always run tracking and it helps with pockets of more concentrated black sand. 

Right now I can run magnetic accept, but in the summer my conditions were worse and was running reject. I have not tested depth between the two [but I should] 
There are other settings on the Deus 2 that can help black sand, which programs are you running and what are your settings? 

7 minutes ago, Sirius said:

But i've heard somewhere (probably from a YT video) that moving your coil over a target will send a electromagnetic wave down that charges the target, and this allows it to be detected by your machine.

Ya, there are lots of wives tales/fallacies in metal detecting.

38 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

No sign of either of these coils being available yet. Maybe I’m shooting myself in the foot, but this sort of thing is really just putting me off of Minelab in general. I had a chance to buy a Manticore a few weeks ago.

Gosh? How long before Deus come out with their extra coils for the D2?
Not to mention an update, I suffer from iron wrap-around beach hunting would be nice to see if that can be mitigated. 😇

45 minutes ago, King-Of-Bling said:

it hasn't found anything a Nox couldn't. But I think this could change due primarily to beach conditions. They are both good machines. But $500-700 more ? NO

That may be a POV?  The Manticore will produce more finds than the Equinox. [and I really like the Equinox]
  One should pay attention to poster "meggie" over on Friendly Forums to see what the Manticore can do from someone who is swinging it. 

13 hours ago, CTidwell said:

This guy does a lot of beach hunts in Cali with his Legend.  Finds a lot of stuff too

This guy who hunts in tennis shoes and does not go near the water? I am supposed to listen to him? 😏

5 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

I'm curious as to whether you used default settings (particularly recovery speed values) on each of these.

First 5 days all tests were done in factory settings.

Next 5 days were done with custom settings. However the custom settings remained consistent between the three choices. 

Testing was done with recovery speeds in 4,5 and 6

Sensitivity was chosen in a practical huntable amount for this location. Between 20-22 for all modes. As to not skew any one choice. Example: if we could hunt at 20 comfortably in low conductor that is where the testing was done. Likewise, if 22 was comfortable to hunt in Sea Water that is where the testing was done.  
 

32 minutes ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

Here's a news flash for you beach hunters: the Legend is a sleeper.  A MAJOR sleeper.  It will compete with anything currently on the market in terms of depth, sensitivity to small items and stability.  I've run an Equinox since it first came out and the Legend is a match for it.  My buddies with their Deus II's were a bit surprised that I could hit everything they could hit with their machines.

Hi Bill

What part of the beach? One issue was when the legend first came out and before the update it was not huntable salt in water contact.

34 minutes ago, TampaBayBrad said:

Do you have a youtube channel? Was wondering if you're posting videos of your tests. Thanks....

No YouTube for me. Easy tests to do for anyone.
We could not get any type of gold [chains or rings] to perform better. Kept huntable sensitivity settings between 20-22 in all modes depending on what part of the beach we were hunting. 

On 3/2/2023 at 10:11 AM, abenson said:

I think that is why beach deep does a littler better for me than beach low conductor.

UPDATE> Had the Manticore here for another 5 days. Could not get one gold test in low conductor to outperform Sea Water or Beach Deep.

Just dumbfounded. 

2 hours ago, 619_805_okie said:

I use standard audio from beach and beach sensitive. I have a tried modifying the two modes a bit but built a lot of confidence with the standard layout.

So to be clear? You use PWM?  Have you modified the MHz of the tone? 

How many tones do you use? 

4 hours ago, 619_805_okie said:

Anyways, my lesson here was that the audio tells much more than the vdi and that learning the d2 tones can really save you if you aren't a "dig everything" person.

Would you like to share your audio set-up? 

5 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Additionally, it was much more of a problem when it was centered using a centering device. No amount of extension helped it.

  this is a simple math equation!
What is the difference between a coil mount that is 1.5 inches off-center AND
  a lower rod that is extended 1.5 inches further with a center mount coil?  

55 minutes ago, King-Of-Bling said:

Agreed with what you say. But those chains , most any machine will hit those. Very sanded here now. Run the Nox down a stretch of the wet desert. Then follow in the direct path with the Core. Be interesting your results. GL

These were the test subjects.
We have been checking wild targets, Manticore and D2 both wet sand and moving water. 

3 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

there have been some complaints about the offset but you really learn to appreciate

The offset coil is a nightmare for a beach hunter. Would there be anything wrong with extending your lower rod? Gives you more coverage on your swing too! 😊

There is a person who thinks he is a good beach hunter on Youtube and I watch his swing sweep with about a maximum of 3' in total. I just laugh! 

Not sure why people are so obsessed swinging at their feet? 

17 hours ago, King-Of-Bling said:

On another side note : the few that I know who have them are still learning the machine and have made some good finds. But they are not finding gold that the Nox couldn't have found on the same beach at the same time.

I have the Manticore here for the second time testing. 

All-in all, the Manticore will out hunt the Equinox on the beach. The only place the Equinox will come close is wet sand with no water contact. 

The Manticore is Better in moving salt water, and it is not even close. It may be better than the D2, but that would need a little more time to compare. 
In all our testing the Manticore is better on gold chains and deep buried gold rings in the wet sand than both the Equinox and D2. 

We are out for the last day of a 5-day stretch of testing. Yesterday was chain day, the top two were found the Manticore and the bottom one was found with the D2.

45 minutes ago, Badger-NH said:

True, the support will definitely be stronger if epoxied, but that will lower the resale value when/if you go to sell the detector.

I charge and get more for that work.

10 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

You only need to glue it if the ears are broken. You are better off getting the coil support before they break.

I disagree. If you do not want your Equinox ears to break, then epoxy the coil stiffener to the coil ears and do not skimp on product! 

2 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

The 0 setting using either iron bias version gave somewhat consistent non ferrous tones combined with a recovery speed of 8. 

Hi Jeff

Why are you using a recovery of 8??  Your soil?  Carpet of nails? 

Thanks.

1 hour ago, Slad74 said:

I'll give another update when they tell me the cost on the coil cable plug repair...

My fear is: They will tell you the pod is not serviceable. Seems like a common bunch of words out of their mouths. 

VERY cool find! Congrats!!!! 

34 minutes ago, Digalicious said:

Now I'm wondering if he is actually able to significantly increase the sensitivity along with increasing the recovery speed.

I bet he is able to increase sensitivity. As compared to lower recovery speeds.  

4 hours ago, Al F said:

I used this EXTREME GLUE to affix the coil supports unto 2 of my coils… I’ve NOT noticed any difference in the detecting ability of either coil…..

Of course, you will not have any issues. You could have used JB Weld too.

I still like the slower drying time of Marine Epoxy. I have had some of the fast-drying epoxy's fail in a few detecting applications. 

Today, I tried to lower the recovery from 6 to 5 on my beach. I was unable to hunt at 22 sensitivity anymore and would have to lower to at least 21 with black sand interference still audible. After 20' I returned to 6 recovery.