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I cannot say we noticed excessive grunts? Possible your set-up or iron volume, your tone selection or even ferrous presets?? Does it grunt in all modes? We ran Seawater and Beach Deep. I do not know? I see no difference in machine tracking recovery time from the Equinox, D2, or Manticore.

Maybe silly to ask? Why do you not run tracking GB? Minelab recommends this at a salt beach. I ALWAYS run tracking and have been very successful. It also allows the machine to adjust for those 20'-40' spots that have a different black sand content. In fact, I run tracking on the D2 as well.

Looks like he avoids water contact and the wettest sand.

It is plausible on larger targets to TID at 12" in good conditions. Black Sand with moving salt water not so much. Yes, well the "but" is I have to run the bottle cap and silencer both at 2. This will make most of these bi-metal coins fall in iron sounds and cause signal breakdown. I have been working the D2 for the last few weeks straight and want to learn it better before the rough wave season gets here [out again today]. Time is important especially working in large surf. Needing time for more target investigation and turning 90 degrees could even be dangerous in the zone I hunt. Am getting better on iron. Small gold at a salt beach with black sand is a pipe dream. But my understanding is nugget hunters are looking for something different. No. The waves here are very forceful right now. When I get hit with a wave there are two options. Pull the coil out of the water[however this requires eyes in the back of my head] OR pin the coil to the sand when the wave hits. EVERYTIME, I pin the coil to the bottom the coil offsets. Then because the coil is offset to the rear it takes more of an effort to get it back into hunting position. When this season ends, I will be looking for a high-quality centering device [not infill] that hopefully will not break. No Problemo>>>😎

OK, I will play>> The D2 really struggles with the bi-metal Mexican coins. Less than the Tarsacci , and more than the /Equinox and Manticore. I notice other iron needs a special ear too, with a 180 look sometimes. I get VERY inaccurate ID's in mineralized salt water with Black Sand. I also worry that I do not fully understand the difference between a deep nonferrous and ferrous target because they react the same. The same in wild and buried tests, once a target gets beyond TID range it is VERY difficult to figure out what the target is. The D2 is not a perfect salt machine.

The Manticore I had here is gone now. However, your black sand pic looks like nothing to me [sorry] Mine is double/triple. We put the Manticore in tracking and never looked back. It ran clean and had good depth. We both know what works on the Nox. 😉 The Manticore seems to work different. While I did not release all the discrimination from a search mode, we did extensive tests with horseshoe on/off. This unfortunately is the point where I have to say the Horseshoe mode made NO difference in target enhancement. I would concentrate all efforts on running in discrimination.

Our testing was done in both modes at 22, where we felt that you could run properly on the wet sand [here] Even then Beach Deep stomped low conductor on the test. If you can actually run two points higher sensitivity in your location. Beach Deep will be a no brainer!

Or you heard from me, 😇 who started the thread.

We tested the Manticore with a threshold of 1&2 in all of the beach modes. The test target was a buried gold ring at the edge of detection to the point of not being able to distinguish the target by TID or sound on a 360 look. Unfortunately, at no point did a threshold of either 1 or 2 enhance the target in any way. Horseshoe mode on/off no difference either. 😔

While I do not hunt under water but in the wave wash [submerged] I do not see how Low conductor can beat the Seawater setting. Due to sensitivity lowering necessary with Low Conductor.

While Tom has forgot more about detectors than I never knew. It is really hard for me to listen to settings from someone who has not stepped on a black sand beach in over a decade. So yesterday we switched the 10k ring out with a little larger 14k ring. SAME results. Seawater setting again beat low conductor in the wet sand and Beach Deep was the best response on that gold. It should be noted that both Beach Deep and Low Conductor are not friendly settings if you're moving between water and wet sand. Both of these modes will require lowering sensitivity to hunt in water contact.

Both really different finds from everyday stuff! Awesome!

Fresh picture 5 minutes ago>I know we got it covered here!! 😎

I am starting to wonder if anyone works there!

So they put all this time into Amazon and not an update. 🙄

On the Equinox I run a threshold of 2. You cannot hear it, but it enhances deep targets. We are going to experiment with the manticore today.

SERIOUS>>😆

Many machines, keep the scoop off to the side a couple of feet away, or hold it above. Never noticed a difference in pinpointing.

So, we are putting the Manticore through tests. In wet sand, the beach low conductor mode is not the deepest setting for gold rings. Guess I am surprised. Any ideas? Is this a glitch? Tested buried rings on two different beaches so far.

While I have not test driven a zillion scoops. For 25 years my RTG aluminum scoop with a stainless lip has served me well. Sure, there has been repairs and reinforcement done over the years but show me a 25 year old scoop that has never had repairs. Muck and mud a RTG would do the task.

I am always blown away by the small bits of nonferrous the 15” coil finds

Awesome 😎

I have had my D2 out for the last two days. I have the coil cranked down tight. One of my techniques is to pin the coil to the bottom when getting hit by large wave wash. EYERYTIME the coil is now pitched because of the offset. I find myself ALWAYS having to correct the coil back to parallel. So, our experiences are different.

My worry is the absolute inability to keep the coil straight in active wave wash. And water forces creating twist/torque.

Another detector with an off-set coil. They can keep it!