midalake

Nice Haul!!! 

11 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Unbelievable amount for return shipping just the remote. They must have a minimum shipping rate with a major carrier other than USPS or they are shipping it one day fully insured....

I am unsure where I am in the warranty process?  I have received no correspondence other than a return shipping label created for $24.26 [UPS]  

I paid $10 to ship to them, and they are charging $24.26 for return shipping. Found this out today. 

4 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

Saying horseshoe mode is confusing because that could mean all metal on or off to different people. To me, horseshoe mode is all metal off.

It seems like we are having a terminology problem? 
Discrimination mode is:  Horseshoe mode off.
All metal mode is:  Horseshoe mode ON. 
 

4 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

I question the idea that all metal would increase depth simply because it's not a true all metal mode. All it does is turn the low tones on and off.

I have literally done 50 wild tests where I have taken what I have identified as a nonferrous deep target in Horseshoe mode on. Then I switch the Horseshoe mode off and look at that same target. Not a sound! Not even a tick! [same settings] I have done this so many times, I don't do it anymore. 

4 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

I can't believe that it would instantly make the Equinox equal to a DEUS II.

My saying is:  it makes the Deus2 reach for capabilities the the Equinox has.  
 

4 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

Maybe in black sand. I wouldn't know about that because we have no black sand on our beaches.

Well, our first testing of the Deus2 we could run Beach in the wet sand/water contact area.
Just a few weeks ago when I took my Deus2 down for the first time, I could not get Beach to function with the amount of black sand we had. I reverted to two different programs, one -Beach Pitch, the other- Dive Mode.  Black Sand is very hard on the Deus2. I don't have a feel, yet for which one will go deeper. {Nox or D2}
I will say a couple of general trends. The D2 has issues giving iron grunts on nonferrous targets and also seems to enhance ferrous targets in Black Sand.    I know what you're thinking, well Dave.......how can it do both?  That was my question too, I was looking for some type of tell, for me to separate items at depth better. I could not find one.
The other generality, after the D2 loses a TID lock on a target good luck figuring out what it is. It is clearly not as simple as one ring for nonferrous and double ring for ferrous targets. [we found this to be true in testing with beach mode and now with black Sand and Beach Pitch and Dive mode. 
Adding third Hunting active wave wash is important and difficult. In the last session I had more time in tough air-entrained wave action. As I suspected originally, the Deus beats the Equinox in this zone. Both in functionality and achieving better depth. 

I did not do a full write-up of this because my Remote was discharging after I shut the machine off. So, I cannot be 100% sure my Deus2 was even working correctly. [though I think it was working correctly] Once my machine comes back from warranty repair, I will eventually get back on it in January. However, my beach usually does not have the same nasty black sand condition at this time of year unless there is a late storm. 

31 minutes ago, Badger-NH said:

I normally run in all metal with 2 or 5 tones. You seem to be saying that all metal single tone has more depth.

You post was unclear as to what mode. As for say one tone or 5 tone in horseshoe mode going deeper, that is not my claim.
I just claim the Horseshoe mode is deeper than discrimination.  I just happen to hunt in "one tone"

Backstory: Briefly I hunted in discrimination mode two tone for about a year. Then at about the same time I figured out horseshoe mode was deeper, and iron targets double rung, and nonferrous targets only produced a single ring. So, when I switched to Horseshoe mode, I went to one tone. 

Outstanding job!!! 

13 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

is the best choice out of no other good choices at the moment using version 0.71

Yes, an important fact Jeff.  Both companies are fine tuning their products. Do we know a real winner yet because of this? 

XP Deus 2 Or Legend....which Do I Keep?

Don't know Jeff, maybe another 20 hours or so on each will bring you closer to a good decision?  GL 😁

2 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

The only way to confirm an increase in depth is by burying some targets at precise depths and checking them using single tone and 5 tone. 

 

One tone or five tone?  You talking about discrimination?  There won't be any difference. The difference is HORSESHOE mode. Horseshoe mode is the deeper mode in one tone!  

1 hour ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

This has really become a fascinating discussion.  For midalake, is the "double ring" you speak of the "ding/pause/ding" that you mention?  In other words, you get a "ding" then a brief pause followed by another "ding?"  I'm having a bit of a hard time visualizing this.

Well my Equinox is 2500 miles away in Mexico.
You do not have to be on a beach to duplicate this!  You get home from work, grab any nail/screw put it on the ground and take a slow swing at it, coil raised about 5".  At some point going around it you will hear a double ring. Many people might mistake this for two targets [but it is not] Also try like a 1/2" steel washer [not stainless]  

Beach2, IB[origional f-6 and recovery 6, Tracking GB, 1 tone, Horseshoe mode on. 

PM me too if your having any other issues. 

 

7 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

it's simply a matter of how stable the mode is for the given environmental conditions that affects the sensitivity setting "breakpoint" where the mode becomes less stable.

Yes of course, and to add to schoolofhardnox thougths. My example was one of my own real-world experiences where I cannot hunt Beach 1 at the same sensitivity as Beach2. 
I fought this for a while in my own head, and conferred with a few experts even getting an opinion from Dankowski. 
Then after some time on my primary beach, it was clear to me that if I could run Beach2 two sensitivity points higher than Beach1 I was better off. At least where I was standing. 

6 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

It’s surprising that such an incremental increase in sensitivity could overcome the inherent raw depth loss in Beach 2 due to the lower transmit power (to increase black sand stability) associated with that mode.

Maybe it is my pod and coil combo?  I am not the only one though that has not noticed an advantage running Beach 1. It has been mentioned by others, on several forums.
There is hunting sensitivity, then enhancement sensitivity. If I am hunting in Beach 2 at 22 and find a difficult target, I do not have an issue going to 24 just to get a better look at that one target. I can usually move two points of sensitivity regardless of the conditions. Now take a combo of Beach 1 at 20 with the ability to 22. YES, there is a difference.

12 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Dave, I’ve never known you to be someone who knowingly puts themselves at a settings “disadvantage” under real world conditions

correct. 

13 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

One thing I have never really understood is what you describe as a “double hit” as a telltale for 100% ferrous targets.  Does that happen with shallow/big ferrous due to coil edge sensitivity or what?

*I have no idea if this works in another mode than Beach 2.

Most of the ferrous at the beach is .50 cent size and less, also nails of all types and sizes.  

The double ring on ferrous happens at ALL depths, and for the deepest targets you get the one-sided signal breakdown more often.  High nonferrous targets can also double ring however these WILL lock out on the positive TID side making for easy diggers. ALL Nonferrous targets at depth will ONLY single ring. [you cannot even make them double ring by mistake] 

It is as simple as ding/pause/ding.  Coil control is critical, and one will pick up on the cadence needed soon enough, 

Reason:?  I am thinking without question the edges of the coil read each side of the ferrous targets. I am also guessing it has something to do with frequency weighting in Beach 2. 

Everyone needs to know [again] I have no idea if this works in any different mode than Beach2. 

4 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

The horseshoe button shouldn't have any affect on depth.  All it does is turn the low tones on or off.

 

I prove this wrong at every hunt with nonferrous targets. 

3 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

I generally can get to 22 before it gets chirpy.  Most often I settle in at 20. 

OK, on those days where you can only do 20 sens, don't be afraid to run the same settings in Beach 2. You should be able to at least run 22 in Beach2. 

4 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The Deus is a good machine on small gold, don't get me wrong, and will satisfy most people in that regard. It's just not a "game changer" or any of that nonsense, when it comes to small gold. And no, 40 kHz only is not going to change that.

I guess running both machines now and testing small items, I agree with Steve. I do not see a bonus to either machine on a beach with detectable small gold. In the picture below, I found this chain with the Equinox a broken "1" tid signal. Buit strong and repeatable.  In an air test [not the same, i get it] The deus2 seemed to get a better signal to the Equinox. However could of been a different story in my Black Sand.
I think an important topic missed, is what function can you run in with the Deus2. I think for most beach hunters you can forget wet/sand water contact for Beach Sensitive.    
It is clear to me with wild finds that neither machine is going to have an advantage on small items. I already have the 9" coil for the Deus2 and I do not anticipate this will make any difference on small gold targets from what I tested.  There was some anticipation and hype from some about with the D2 on filling coffee cans with small gold. The reality is that is not going to happen. 

1 hour ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

Here in S. CA falsing in Beach 1 isn't an issue so I run it most of the time. 

But letting me know your current sensitivity range tells me what your conditions is.
After all I can get Beach 1 to hunt quiet, but the sensitivity is not acceptable. 
Are you able to hunt 21 sensitivity and over? 

10 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

This is really fascinating stuff. How high do you run your sensitivity when hunting this way and any other settings different than the pre-sets that I should be aware of?  I'm very curious to try this out the next time I'm at the beach.

I can run sensitivity between 20 and 24, depending on Black sand.

IB, and recovery both at 6. IB the original f-6.

I do run 1 or 2 points of threshold [it seems to enhance deep targets] and really even with the good headphones I have you cannot hear the threshold at 1 or 2. 

Because it is going to sound like a new world to you> hearing everything even Black Sand ticks try not to run the sensitivity at your max. Run it pretty clean and if you get a deep target [and are unsure] then bump the sens 1or2 to look at just that target. 
Once you get a hang for the single, double ring targets, then increase your sens.  
One more point, good coil control is needed to hear the double ring, you have to swing slow over the target and be centered best as possible. It is OK to have have a half fast regular swing but when you get a hit [slow down] It is real easy to know where the center of the target is in horseshoe mode, and you will never need to use pinpoint again! 

I really don't like Beach 1 and never hunt it. I can get much more sensitivity and less falsing in beach 2. Sensitivity wins with the equinox. 

What sensitivity range are you hunting now? 

 

26 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Great info! 👍

What kind of negative numbers? As low as -9?

No not down to -9.
Usually a splattering, -1 to -5 [because the target is already deep and nonferrous.]

4 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

He told me that the best way to run an Equinox at the beach is in all metal single tone which he swears gets better depth, comparable to the Deus II.  He said that he hunts by ID and ignores the tone so he doesn't need any multi-tones.

Yes, I hunt this way, except I use Beach 2 because Beach 1 cannot handle my Black Sand/Wet sand-salt mix.  
 

4 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

which he swears gets better depth, comparable to the Deus II.

In direct wild target testing we could not get the Deus 2 to beat the Equinox in the Horseshoe mode.
 

4 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

my experience over the years is that on really deep targets I may not get a target ID but I will get a sound.  In his setup, without tone ID I would have no way of identifying the target if there is no ID on the screen.

I have taken this one step further because of what the Horseshoe mode can do. On deep targets, if the target single rings and does not have a directional breakdown on 360 inspection it is nonferrous 95% of the time. These targets WILL have negative tid numbers, if deep enough, including gold. 
Likewise, any target that double rings or breaks down on a 360 inspection is ferrous, 100% of the time. 

This works down to the faintest signals. Signals that will not even appear in the discrimination mode. So I would not worry about "missing anything" 
 

31 minutes ago, okara gold said:

I sent these pictures to the owner who was surprised and promised me another one. Never received it.

You don't want another one. His doodad helped break my coil ear. SunRay have the best quality stiffeners by far. 

On 7/12/2022 at 1:40 PM, okara gold said:

I purchased a coil ear stiffener for the Equinox from Doodads and after a few months' time it broke. I sent a nice email to Don with a picture of the broken stiffener

The infill plastic he uses is JUNK! 

2 hours ago, Rob in (ca) said:

‘The Nox is still useable, must Operate it as  a PI Detector, you just need to dig all Targets including Iron. 

Not sure how you're detecting as a PI? Why would you have to dig everything?
I had really nasty black sand the last few weeks. My iron ratio was almost the same 5 of 100 targets.  

On 7/31/2022 at 10:38 AM, Jeff McClendon said:

Thanks for letting us know Dave.

Good luck.

The remote was shipped yesterday............

NO.

13 hours ago, Erik Oostra said:

Have any other beach or scuba detectorists noticed this as well? How long have I got before it'll stop transmitting signals?          

We noticed right away when we tested the D2 that water entered the coil end. I tried to waterproof that wire before I stuck it the water and did not get a good seal.

The inner wire under the top Shielding is very thin. When will it fail?  Since you are a diver you might be the first to let us know. 😊