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  1. On 1/13/2024 at 1:48 PM, JCR said:

    Is there a setting on the D2 or Manticore that will influence the Target response in relation to the TID scale?   Magnetic Ground or Frequency addition modes?

    Tested the 2.0 update today with my trusty "ring on a string" on Magnetic Accept/reject.

    Ring placed Deep in wet sand with intermittent water contact. 

    D2 in 91 senstivity, which is what I could comfortably hunt. In Beach Sensitive,  40Hz the D2 struggled where I placed it, could barely hear it.

    First was Magnetic Accept!  Lousy sounding target, clipped and short in sound. Numbers were all over.

    Second Magnetic Reject. Ditto>  Lousy sounding target, clipped and short in sound. Numbers were all over.

    There was just no way to confirm this target. Went back and forth numerous times. I give a slight nod to Magnetic Accept. Target a littler cleaner and numbers were a smidge tighter.  However, I would have just walked by this target. The sounds were not much more than Black Sand interference. Important to note: Magnetic Reject did not have ANY value in adding sensitivity. Black Sand mineral response was only muted slightly, but still present. 

    So, turned the D2 off and fired-up the Equinox. It has been a very long time since I have done any head to head.  Beach2, noise cancelled then hunted around and settled at 21 sensitivity where it was huntable.

    Went back to the ring location and was surprised at the great response. Clearly would have stopped me for further inspection. At 21 there were mostly negative numbers, with a clean single beep response. An increase to 22, and the response was louder and single positive numbers started showing every third sweep. Would have no doubt dug this target. Pic of today's take.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  2. 14 hours ago, fishersari said:

    I always run all metal btw..

    Horseshoe mode on........A big YES. 

    12 hours ago, EL NINO77 said:

    In my opinion, you had ....the recovery speed setting on Manticore significantly lower ... and therefore Manticore was not optimally set for such a separation situation.

    Correct!

    1 hour ago, stateguy said:

    I have it on 4. That what recommendation for Tom Danowski settings I believe 

    I am unable to use settings on my beach that other people use elsewhere! 

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  3. 5 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

    Magnetic ground accept/reject toggle setting in the ground balance menu of the beach modes only but @midalake, if I recall correctly, finds it to not be very useful and it ends up, for him, severely limiting depth performance in reject mode.  I know that was the case pre-Version 2.0 Deus 2, not sure if he has fiddled with that setting since loading V2.0.  He’ll probably chime in to clarify that.

    I did not like how magnetic reject worked in the original .71.  I have not tried it in the update. Will swing the D2 on one day this week to verify any differences with 2.0 and fringe targets. 

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  4. 17 hours ago, EL NINO77 said:

    Clearly, the smoothness of the detection is significantly weaker - that's why it is not very suitable for normal detection..., but it can be useful for the next, more precise control of the VDI target...

    Are these your tests? I am not familiar with any of the land programs. To me both tests seem similar.  It would be nice to see this test done in Beach2.  I can tell you my Black Sand is not that bad. 

    In my real-life conditions here running Beach2, I NEVER see discrimination mode coming close to what Horseshoe mode can do.  In fact, I would never be able to run a land program here with the salt and black sand.  

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  5. On 1/12/2024 at 3:12 PM, EL NINO77 said:

    Midalake, thank you for the comparison... I have one question... if you switch from horseshoe  mode to discrimination  mode on the EQ 800 when checking the target... you will be able to improve the VDI identification of the target... - even if at the price of, for example, a less smooth audio signal... ?

    So in the picture is six targets from yesterday I did a reverse discrimination on. All nonferrous and were found in the Horseshoe mode on. All of the targets were giving negative numbers with a mixed positive number every once in a while. Due to their smooth single beep hits, I suspected these were nonferrous. 

    When switching back to discrimination, all of the target responses were muted and broken with choppy sounds. Out of all of these it was my opinion that the small silver ring would have been the only target I may have dug if working only in Discrimination mode. The signals on the other targets were not repeatable and sounded like mineralization response. 
    I have experienced this many times in the past. The Horseshoe Mode ALWAYS makes targets stand out more with better depth.  At least on a mineralized beach running Beach2. 


     

     

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  6. 18 hours ago, JCR said:

    Is there a setting on the D2 or Manticore that will influence the Target response in relation to the TID scale?   Magnetic Ground or Frequency addition modes?

    The only saving grace on the D2 in magnetic ground is the ability to still throw a correct number. The target may sound like crap but that D2 is giving you a number that you have to dig. Target sound wise, the D2 struggles with mineralization. This has been my exact issue.  Do not own a Manticore. 

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  7. 30 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

    What adjustments, if any, have you made from the default settings for audio (PCM, Square, High Square), the Audio Filter, tones (full, multi (2 through 5 tones), pitch , and salt sensitivity?  You run Nox in horseshoe mode, do you run D2 in 0 or negative disc?

    Running all two-tone Square programs with the Iron tone lowered to 350Hz and the second tone raised to 640Hz. 

    No Audio filter, 22 discrimination, Salt Sense 7, Reactivity 0.5, 

    I have tried many disc settings from full negative -6.4 to now 22. I do want to experiment with notching.

    Beach Pitch program [program 13?]  is 100% out for me. Do not like that program. Serious Iron wrap-around problems. 

    I am willing to try anything to help deep non-ferrous targets sound rounder and more whole. Not Bite-y and clipped. 

    When working in heavy black sand I notice a general up-scaling of Ferrous targets and down scaling of non-ferrous targets. Seems like I get many more ferrous targets that want to break into the second tone and throw good ID numbers in black sand. 

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  8. 54 minutes ago, Compass said:

    I love the audio options on the Manticore and after limited use in the black sand I much prefer it over the 800. I was considering the D2 but posts like yours make me think that it wouldn't be the right detector for me.

    The D2 really does work well without the Black Sand. My beach really undergoes changes during the year. I am sure that D2 will be back out by the end of Feb. We have had the Manticore here with good results but in less black sand conditions.

    In the coming months we will have both the Equinox 900 and Manticore back here. 

     

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  9. 1 minute ago, EL NINO77 said:

    if you switch from horseshoe to discrimination on the EQ 800 when checking the target... you will be able to improve the VDI identification of the target... - even if at the price of, for example, a less smooth audio signal... ?

    I have not switched back out of Horseshoe for years. I find the response in Horseshoe to be crisp and rounded. I will experiment on some deep nonferrous targets next time out. I doubt it will produce a better TID number....but who knows?  Will report back.  😎

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  10. On 1/7/2024 at 8:07 AM, Sinclair said:

    I sometimes experience the opposite:
    Crappy sounding signals turn out to be good ones more often with the D2, than with the Nox. I‘m still often unsure, if to dig or not.

    No, I agree with you....as compared to others. 

    I find the D2 ear exhausting, both in how it handles Black Sand and in deciphering targets. The clipped and bite-y sounding nonferrous targets at depth are a real PIA.

    Comparison here: https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/25058-mf-machines-on-mineralized-black-sand-salt-beach-d2-and-equinox-long/#comment-264086

  11. 1 hour ago, F350Platinum said:

    Great report, I find the same thing going on so I bump bottle caps setting to 3, makes most but for the hardest forged and curved nails go full iron on a turn. I still get a few, the fields are loaded with shoe nails from animals and old houses. If I'm really in the thick of it I'll go to 5,

    Thanks for the tip!!!  I will definitely try that when I think there is a nail. I was so focused trying the different programs. I set two programs each in Beach and Beach Sensitive with Max frequencies of 24 and 40.  Checking fringe targets between 4 programs can be a beast. 

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  12. 1 hour ago, 619_805_okie said:

    I doubt I'll ever have a streak like that again but it was fun. In all i had 5 additional rings, 2 silver and 3 junkers. Also got around 15 silver dimes, one silver quarter, a clad half dollar, and around 200 clad coins,

    Outstanding!!!!   Great hunt!!! 

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  13. The Bad: 

    While Iron up-scaling appeared to be in a better place there was one standout.

    Large Old Nails. 
    I NEVER have dug one of these in two years
    of hunting with the D2 here. Today I started getting wrap-around targets that registered 80-86. This mimics my 10-peso coin, which comes in around 82 . After some trial and error, it was possible to hear Iron blanking on a 360 look and some elongation as compared to a coin object. But was much more difficult on deeper nails. 

    This might take some ear training that I did not have to worry about before. 

     

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  14. 11 hours ago, Skull diver said:

    It was a big submerged spot and if I consider 40kHz/92+ sens/b.s. accept and auto G.b. it is more than acceptable.

    That would be VERY acceptable. But I find it difficult to run with a sensitivity of 86. Lots of ear fatigue even at that level. 

    1 hour ago, Rattlehead said:

    I'd be interested in seeing that comparison as well. When 1.0 came out, I updated, tried it a few times, got frustrated and went back to what I'm familiar with in .71. I may give 2.0 a shot, since .71 will may become unavailable in the near future.

    I will have 2.0 out today and will compare to .71. I have been running .71 for a week straight, so am up to speed. Going to set identical programs I was running in .71.  

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