Chase Goldman

A pinpointer duct taped onto a stick could find that honker. 🤣

The transition from paper to plastic hulls for shotgun shells occurred in the early 1960’s. The 410 small bore shotgun and other weapons appeared around 1875 and gradually gained standardization and popularity for small game hunting thereafter. Remington made 410 ammunition as early as 1915 but didn’t label it “410” until some time after that as far as I can tell. Your cartridge is probably early to mid 20th century and is most likely bracketed by the dates of the coins you found.

Have fun with it! Should really open up some new possibilities because of its technical differences from the MX7 and it’s a tad lighter, too.

Exactly. No point getting exasperated or wasting oxygen on these guys. I get venting, I guess, but all that does is bring attention and heat and light to folks who are best just simply ignored. Give your blood pressure a break and stop watching and throwing stuff at your computer screen out of frustration. Watching someone else detect or test detectors bores me to tears and is worse when they obviously don’t have a clue. All it does is remind me I should be out detecting myself. I see a video link in a post and I frankly just move on unless I need to review it to discuss a topic in an informed manner or if it’s Gary Black because I can typically actually learn something useful when I watch his skill school vids.

That’s the connector and earbuds he probably uses to direct connect into the Manticore or Nox head unit headphone jack when water hunting. You can stick any 1/8” plug into the headphone jack of the ML85 once you rewire it to provide audio out of the headphone jack while wirelessly connected to Manticore, Nox 700/900, or Xterra Pro. I’m just going with an el cheapo plug in APTX LL transmitter until 3rd party BT LE LC3 receivers come out.

No, that's only really intended to provide protection during shipping, but there is no reason to remove it if you can deal with the air bubble and want to use it as an in-service screen protector.

It seems Orx would be better suited for this task than xTerra pro because you have a greater range of frequency adjustability. Better yet would be the Deus 2 (the WS6 Master configuration is reasonably priced). But I agree with bigtim that there should be no reason you can't get the Legend configured in a manner to support this objective. It seems one of the smaller Legend accessory coils would also be helpful in this regard such as the LG24 10x5" elliptical. @Jeff McClendonhas extensive experience and success with Legend in mountainous soils, perhaps he can jump in with some advice.

I’m curious. If you were having success with the Manticore, what was it about the 900 that motivated you to pick one up? In other words, what were you hoping the 900 could do that the Manticore can’t? Or were you just looking to have a capable, less expensive backup to the M-core? Or was it the fact that you could use your Nox 800 accessory coils? Thanks.

To help us give you sound advice it would be good to know your detecting objectives, if known. For example: Do you primarily detect for coins, jewelry, relics, meteorites or natural gold or a combination of these? What typical environments do you detect in: parks, farm fields, woods, tot lots, ball fields, cellar holes, salt beaches, or freshwater lakes and rivers? Soil types: Sandy, rocky, or clay. Mild soil, black sand, or ferrous mineralization? Trash and target density: Lots of aluminum, nails, bottle caps, and/or big iron? To get you started: The Orx is primarily designed for detecting natural gold and has very limited, but usable “coin” settings. It probably lags the Xterra Pro at salt beach performance but both are probably outperformed there by a multifrequency detector like the Legend. The Orx is super lightweight primarily facilitated by it’s all wireless design. But that feature also limits its ability to operate with its coil submerged in water, necessitating use of additional antenna wire claptrap. The xTerra on the other hand is fully submersible, including it’s control box. Finally, the xTerra has more tone customization options than Orx, including the ability to adjust tone breaks. Overall, xTerra Pro is more versatile and affordable than the Orx by virtue of its design and plentiful selection of accessory coils, but the Orx has it beat at micro target sensitivity because of its ability to operate a higher frequencies than the xTerra. The main knock against xTerra that I’ve heard is target ID stability. If the Orx is within your price range, and depending on your detecting objectives, I would give serious consideration to picking up a value-priced Simultaneous Multi-Frequency detector such as the Legend, which has even more capability and performance than either Orx and Xterra Pro. But if you are on a budget, the Xterra a is a capable and versatile value detector. Edit: OK - Looked at your previous posts and I see you already own the Orx and have experience with the Legend and Whites MXT so I probably wasted your time with information you probably already know. Providing a little additional context when you ask such an open ended question would be helpful. In the absence of that, I am going to start at square one.

Great tip, thanks Gary. Noticed these other levels when verifying the Equilzer hot key bug. They are easy to turn down using the hot keys.

That’s what I thought too. But I think the jury is still out on that based on anecdotal evidence from users. One user reports that programs 11 and 12 set up identically react differently to the same targets. See this post... However, if you have info direct from the XP R&D team that confirms your original statement on base program equivalency, that would be helpful to know.

Not a problem. It’s info buried in another thread and we have multiple threads covering the topic despite my attempt to consolidate . Good that it’s mentioned here too. No need to delete your post.

Yep. I noted that in my post here that racks out known issues and observations on the ver 1.X updates. Jeff should be able to do a good A vs. B comparison between Programs 2 and 3 in ver 1.1 if he wants to.

That's a great choice and a pretty good deal. You're on the right track. Don't rush it. The 600's are a pretty good choice value wise with the more expensive 700's on the market now, so keep searching a little more before you pull the trigger and you might find an even better deal. The 600 has a few less features than Legend but has a nice clean interface and frankly all the essential features you need to have decent upgrade over your MX7. Good luck.

Blacksmiths used cast iron ladles and spoons for handling molten lead. Seems small for that, but it's a possibility.

I understand. You may have more luck now dialing Silencer in with V 1.1 because it won’t just go from one extreme to the other in the course of a single step adjustment. Also suggest trying General or Relic because of soil subtraction and perhaps trying Gold Field and seeing what varying Max F does in those modes. I’m stuck detecting Parks and Beaches here until fall because the cellar holes and farm fields with iron pollution are mostly now overgrown with poison ivy/bug infested or planted with crops.

See my response to you in your other post. Don’t get too excited as I am not sure 1.1 will necessarily address the falsing you were experiencing but it will certainly address severe ferrous masking even at high reactivity settings that was plaguing the Sensitive with ver 1.0.

Jeff, Interesting. You were using one of the Programs that were severely affected by the low setting (0, 1, 2) aggressive ver 1.0 Silencer glitch that significantly increased ferrous masking even with high recovery speed settings. So that may have affected your ability to unmask in iron. Conversely, the aggressive silencer setting should have also knocked down the nail falsing more, too. It’s a mixed bag, but I suggest torturing yourself using the same setup but with the ver 1.1 update. Should reduce the masking but you will be subject to the falsing, however, the increase in silencer filter effect (to mitigate falsing) will be more gradual. Might better be a able to find a sweet spot Silencer setting that does not over mask while knocking down the falsing. Also, might want to experiment with the new audio filter in this situation.

Got it. Will log it on the main update thread.

Dan - Thanks for spelling it out. I see it now. It's pretty subtle and even happens simply selecting the equalizer from the shortcut menu (without changing any of the equalizer graphic frequency band settings or turing it off/on). The Default big TID returns when you power cycle the remote and it returns to default settings (or saved Big TID setting if using it on custom modes). Does not happen when accessing any of the other audio settings via the shortcut. To me the Equalizer is kind of a set once and done thing, not something you regularly change on the fly and returning to Big TID is easy with the hot key shortcut, but it is a definite bug so I will log it.

What IS that Mexican Token made out of?

I am a long time, primarily relic detectorist, but I also coin shoot, and beach hunt. My primary detector is the Deus 2 because of its light weight, versatility, and high speed which enables it to handle iron well and it also does well in hot soil. I think the D2 is more machine than you need and has a high price point, so I am not recommending it but do provide links to further information below. If you want to skip all the detail below let me give you the bottom line up front: AT Pro is not really going to give you any more depth or separation in iron versus your MX7. If the AT Pro is your only consideration, I'd stick with the MX7. If you are interested in a fast detector at a reasonable price point I have two recommendations: Minelab Xterra Pro - fast with adjustable recovery speed and multiple selectable single frequencies <$300 Nokta Legend - fast with adjustable recovery speed and multiple selectable single frequencies and simultaneous multifrequency, currently <$400 If you want to stick with with made in the USA - Consider the Garrett Ace Apex multifrequency. Despite the "Ace" vs. "AT" designation, it has some better features and versatility over the AT Pro including selectable frequencies and multi-frequency which may eek out more targets in your situation than your MX7 but is not as good at handling iron or as fast as the previous two detectors I suggest. If you want to do a deeper dive, read on... As others have mentioned: The AT Pro is a classic and despite being first introduced more than 13 years ago, still gets the job done. But the AT Pro has mediocre recovery speed and is probably not noticeably faster than your MX7 nor is it known for being superior in iron. If the AT Pro is your one and only alternative to the MX7 that you are considering, I recommend you stick with the MX7 (yes I owned an AT Pro but eventually sold it). I too owned an MX Sport, your MX7's waterproof sibling. It had great ground handling and a number of interesting features but at the end of the day, I too was disappointed by its just ok recovery and depth. Add to that, above average weight and below average balance resulting in overall below-average ergonomics. Despite being waterproof and having some rudimentary salt balance capabilities, it was still not very stable in wet salt sand, requiring significant lowering of sensitivity for stable salt beach performance. I am not listing all of this to dump on Whites or the MX series (I still own the classic White's classic relic machine - an MXT) but to provide a frame of reference as to why I eventually sold my MX Sport and moved on to a more modern simultaneous multifrequency machine. Specifically, the Equinox 800. Simultaneous multifrequency provides some advantages associated with ground and salt handling, and also enables more versatility in going after targets because the multifrequency capability evens up the "playing field", eliminating the tendency of single frequency machines to favor either higher or lower conductivity targets as lower frequencies tend to favor higher conductive and large targets like silver or coin caches while higher frequencies tend to favor smaller targets or lower conductivity targets like gold jewelry, nickels, and brass. The key with these features is versatility. The recovery speed, decent target identification, good discrimination and ground handling features makes them great at picking through iron. Since the MX7 and AT Pro/AT Max have hit the streets, there have been a number of multifrequency and also capable single frequency detectors that not only have equivalent features but are also lighter, cheaper, and faster with great user interface features and multiple audio options. i suggest considering these detectors in addition to the AT Pro for their speed and iron handling capabilities. If you are interested in exploring these detectors further, I have broken them down for you and for others who may be interested. I recognize that you will not be using your detector at the beach but note when these are fully submersible primarily to show you they can be operated in the rain. The Detector Prospector Metal Detector Database pages provide detailed information on several detectors released over the past several years. The following breakdown of relatively recent design detectors with significant versatility, performance, and features versus your MX7 (all have built-in wireless audio capability but also speakers) can be explored further by clicking on the detector name links that will take you to the DP Detector Database writeup: Nokta Simplex - Fully Submersible, Single Frequency Machine <$300 Minelab Xterra Pro - Fully Submersible with multiple selectable single frequencies and variable recovery speed settings. Relatively new, but if you want an inexpensive, fast machine with adjustable recovery speed and 3 selectable frequencies, this is a great choice. <$300 Nokta Legend - Fully Submersible Simultaneous Multifrequency Machine and Multiple Selectable Frequencies, has adjustable recovery speed, multiple default search modes set up for park, beach, relic, and gold detecting. Features on par with the Equinox detectos at an amazing price <$400 (Note, first generation design of the Legend is going for~$388 as they start to introduce a lighter weight carbon fiber shaft system which will probably be greater that $400) Garrett Ace Apex - Lightweight, weatherproof Multifrequency Machine with Multiple Selectable Frequencies <$500 Not known for being superior in iron however. Greater than $500 - All of these machines have great iron handling capabilities. Minelab Equinox 600/800 - These fully submersible simultaneous frequency and selectable single frequency detectors have been here for more that 5 years now, were groundbrekaing in terms of but still perform. Their price is coming down with the release of the Minelab 700/900 below. Minelab Equinox 700/900 - Update of the popular Equinox 600/800. XP Deus and XP Orx - Fully wireless with multiple selectable frequencies and high recovery speed that is adjustable. Super light weight. Greater than $1000 - XP machines are know for their best in class iron handling performance. XP Deus 2 and Minelab Manticore HTH and Good Luck and Happy Hunting with whatever machine you finally end up with.

Go to the Deus II subforum and you will see numerous reports from those who have downloaded 1.0 and 1.1.

Not seeing any issues with Big TID, Audio/Equalizer, or Frequency Scan hot keys AT ALL! You have posted this several times without adequately describing the issue you are seeing. It's like trying to decipher some sort of riddle to be honest. Please describe the issue in detail so others can attempt to replicate it and verify what you are seeing. Thanks.