Chase Goldman

Compared to what, the 6" round on the Nox? That must be nice vs. the concrete clay I'm used to.

Trev Thanks for posting here on DP. Any chance that you can comment on the possibility of Coiltek offering some Manticore compatible coil offerings in the future? Thanks. Chase - Moderator

Hmm. Might be an Avantree headphone firmware compatibility issue then.

That may be the problem. If you can't reset them per the Avantree instructions, there may be a corruption issue with the Audition pro firmware. This may manifest as a problem pairing with some devices while having no issue pairing with others. Be patient and wait well beyond the 5 to 7 seconds. Also, the "pink flash twice" signal that they have reset may be very brief or hard to see. Good luck.

Maybe they ended up over here. 😉

Yep. I own it and read it. When Carl (Geotech) pops in here to share his technical wisdom on detectors, I just read and absorb the nuggets and thank him for sharing. He's forgotten more than I'll ever know. As a trained engineer I can somewhat understand and explain the technical concepts but I am not a designer like Carl who can make these concepts come alive in your hands.

Another similar explanation, but focused primarily the difference between a Mineralization Meter and a Ground Balance indication.

Once they are released from the NDA they can do anything they want with it. After all, they paid $89 for the privilege of being a Nokta beta tester.

Looks like a beta tester is reluctantly letting his go. /s

Exactly and as Phrunt said previously, if it’s coverage you are after (and buying into the physics that determines that there is a round coil diameter above which results in minimal depth gain per inch/cm coil diameter increase for a coin or ring sized target), an elliptical coil form factor gives you that additional coverage at a substantially lower weight penalty and with roughly equivalent depth vs. a round coil with a diameter that is the same as the length of the long axis on an elliptical coil.

Since you stated that it lacks capability compared to other commercially available GPS MD apps, I thought you had some detailed, specific insights on preferred apps for MDing beyond the iOS map app. The capability/feature you described in the quote above actually already exists in an app called Maprika, now called GPS on Ski as it was originally designed to accommodate ski map overlays. But I have used it to overlay old Topos and Historic maps and to track my position relative to those historic maps. I primarily use OnX apps, however. Recently switched from Onx Hunt to Onx Backcountry both of which permit a number of different overlays and other data layers including property lines, private property landowner identification from publicly available property tax databases, weather, and wildfire information. I would think the “accuracy” would be more a function of the phone’s GPS chipset and firmware than the app. The tracking on Onx is is very good. Not sure XP will ever release the Go Terrain app in the US. Tthey’ve been promoting it for years, have had several false starts, and have had it available in Europe for over a year. I’ve kind of moved on because of the numerous failures by XP to deliver on this. Other apps I have tried include Tect O Track and Cal Topo. Perhaps some of the above apps were used by your club member.

It is updateable. Beta users were promised an update to the final released version. This balanced and thorough review convinced me that it can’t be any worse than the Quest X-pointer Maxand a great backup to the MI-6 or primary pointer when not using my D2.

Such as…

...Hope we don't have to get into the bananas vs. plantains debate when the Nokta Accupoint finally gets released. 🤣

Awesome. Didn't know those existed. 👍

By definition, the Carrot IS the orange Pro Pointer AT (ALL Terrain, meaning waterproof). The non-AT Pro Pointer II is not considered a Carrot variant because...well...it's black. Lol. But, Simon, I understand what you were driving at with the caution to the OP as these similar sounding product names do cause confusion.

I dreaming that Coiltek goes in the opposite direction and makes a decent small elliptical for Manticore slightly larger than the M8 (something like their Nox 5×10 which is a great general purpose coil for polluted, highly mineralized relic and coin sites) The ML Equinox 15" elliptical is plenty deep and has a great footprint area to weight ratio. At some point you hit a depth wall with VLF machines and large, round coil sizes where the depth performance plateau's due to ground feedback effects, you lose even small coin sensitivity at moderate depths, and all you get is coverage at a huge weight penalty. So that 30% depth gain claim seems dubious unless you're talking a PI machine. Coiltek's gotta rethink their PI mentality that bigger is better for round VLF coils. Their mid-size Nox elliptical would be a great general purpose coil if they didn't narrow cast it solely for water hunting by intentionally adding weight to it.

Snore....

Don’t forget the Deus 2 with its new V2 Goldfield mode. Probably no room left in the car for it, though. 🤣

We'll see. We've been seeing pics for months of the Manticore accessory coils and they are still mostly unobtanium.

Please show me where it is documented that D2 frequency search is random. My personal experience has run counter to that assertion as I have never encountered a case where it made the situation worse (which would be the case if it were truly random), and only once or twice was it unable to make things appreciably better. As far as I am concerned it is the most effective implementation of reduced EMI frequency search and I have owned several Detectors with the feature. The Nox's are not very effective and do seem to be the most likely to be random (though I doubt even they are). The Manticore in my experience is better than the Nox's in this regard but not as good as the the D2 but that might be a function of the D2's overall better EMI immunity than the Minelabs. FWIW.

Well, ML has already released one update since launch to address bugs (serious or not) and introduce new features, but that update appeared to have been a setback for some folks under certain detecting conditions, so some have reverted to the original firmware. So a potential update may be addressing those issues introduced in the first update. Also, it appears that ML is seeking FCC approval for a new wireless "WM-09" module to address limitations associated with the ML proprietary stock ML-85/ML-105 wireless phones which are the only ones compatible with Manticore/Equinox 700/900/X-Terra Pro detectors, so the update may be addressing compatibility with that new wireless module. This new wireless module may be what is being referred to in the schlocky "Unleash the Beast" marketing slogan.

Here's another pic included in the FCC filing. Clearly shows the familiar Manticore/Equinox 700/900/X-Terra Pro -style magnetic charging cable and the screw in mini-plug audio cable which all but confirms this module is for the these detectors as deduced by Simon (Phrunt).

The X-Coils will not be solid body, correct? If so, they would be good for salt beach/surf/bay hunters as well vs. the positive-buoyancy Garrett coils.

Agree but I have an alternate related take on this "phenomenon". Agreed it is near impossible to tell the difference between gold rings and aluminum junk, especially pull tabs. Those who say they can are indeed fake bad asses. Similarly, iron discrimination and notches and even target IDs are not foolproof and can lie to you. You're never really 100% sure what you have until it's out of the ground and you can actually see it. But mindset and positive attitude are important because they affect your ability to concentrate effectively on what your machine is telling you. If you are "in the zone" - in sync with your machine and nail a few keepers early on or a good run in the middle of a session, the resulting confidence can linger and make it seem like the good targets are just popping out of the ground even though your treasure to trash ratio hasn't actually changed significantly overall. On the flip side, if you are fighting your machine, experiencing audio fatigue or EMI, getting skunked and are tired, hungry, dehydrated or distracted by your surroundings, the junk targets start to dominate your attitude and the experience becomes a drag. One way to combat the doldrums is to keep your attitude positive and steady. The best way I have found to do this is set expectations accordingly. If you are going to "play the odds" and skip targets your machine is telling you are junk then be honest with yourself that you are likely going to leave a few keepers behind and be sure you are OK with that for the sake of expediency (i.e., cherry picking) or because you know you'll have another shot at the site. Similarly, if you hit a signal that can be either gold or aluminum, set your expectations according to the odds. Tell yourself that you are verifying this is really a pull tab. You are either going to be exactly right or wrong and pleasantly surprised. If you tell yourself it's a possible ring every time, you set yourself up for a lot of disappointment. FWIW. I had a similar experience to Compass but relic detecting. Apologies to all who have heard this one already. At a heavily detected relic site that hosted several group hunts and that was primarily detected with PI Detectors due to soil conditions, I decided to focus on an area near power lines and where roadside trash, especiall aluminum cans, had accumulated. The detectorists with PI machines avoided these areas. I took my Deus 2 and started paying my dues. I knew I was going to dig A LOT of cans and canslaw but felt that there might be a gem hiding in all that trash. I was right. I eventually dug a both pieces of a fractured US Civil War breast plate basically rung up no different than the junk aluminum cans and a NY regimental coat button and some other brass and lead targets. This wasn't skill but perseverance and a positive attitude that something good had to be hiding in the trash based on the amazing targets that were pulled out of the adjacent no trash, no EMI sections of the battlefield. So yeah, sometimes you gotta just forget discrimination and cherry picking, pay your dues with a positive attitude and wade into the trash to get to the good stuff. If this was easy, everyone would be doing it.