schoolofhardNox

1 hour ago, jasong said:

Well alright then. Pardon my lack of industry connections in which to base my own opinions, I am of course limited to the public information the rest of us are limited to. I detailed the reasoning behind my opinion. But if the conversation is just "I know secret things" then I guess there isn't much to talk about is there?

While I may be disappointed if the 8000 doesn't meet my expectations, it's a minor thing. I have more fun looking at technical data available and thinking about what might be. But that's turned into no fun here with the sarcasm, so I'll move on.

jasong, please don't take it personally. Everyone is so sensitive these days. All Steve said was that what you want is unrealistic. I don't have any inside information on anything 😄 but even without it, Minelab has demonstrated that their strategy is to give you just enough to peak your interest in their newest machine. I learned that lesson quite well when I  prematurely bit on the 6000, figuring it was going to be a better 5000. Maybe there will not be a 8000 that is better than the 7000, but different like the 5000 to the 6000. One thing seems evident to me and that is the detecting industry has only one way to go and that is to trickle what's left of new technology to us. Otherwise they will cease to exist. Right now they are tweaking of what's left to tweak. What else are they to do - give us a machine that can REALLY tell gold from iron from aluminum? It will never happen. That would be their death.

2 hours ago, Tyler said:

I hit a spot not long ago that I had gone over many times with a VLF on a moderately hot ridge and got several pistol bullets and a couple eagle buttons I had missed. Is it worth taking the GPX in good ground camps I’ve hit hard already with VLFs or mainly hot ground places? 

My advice would be a resounding YES. I'm willing to bet there is more there that a pulse machine could get you, especially if the targets can be deep. Just my thoughts, but using any different machine may get you some more finds.  In the camp area, If you don't get any obvious hits with the GPX, then I would try and concentrate on very deep whisper signals as a test, to see what's at depth. You may have to try different timings, but Sharp, Sensitive Extra are two to try.

On 3/26/2024 at 7:13 AM, Tyler said:

That’s what I kind of figured about the 15 spiral. Really sensitive on the small bits. I almost bought a coiltek 14 DD before I got the commander. I wish I had now. I bet that thing punches deep on bullets and buttons. I was looking for a 12.5 DD detech as well but couldn’t find one. I should have spent the few extra dollars on the coiltek. Do you think it’s a good bit deeper than the commander? But I’ll let you know if I’m interested In the detech 15 spiral. Thanks for letting me know. 

I just Googled detect coils and a 12.5" DD popped right up.  I'll try and message you the link. Not sure if I can post it here or not.

Definitely some older fragments there. Anything is possible in that field. Can't wait to see the first coin come from there.

I use mine all the time. The areas I dig are rock packed, clay, shells. I can't use a scoop in that area. Most of the time I also use a screwdriver to pry small rocks apart and get between big rocks that do not move. Even in the wet sand, there are rocks that make it very hard to use a scoop, in addition to the hole filling up with water. It helps locate the target so I don't end up digging the forever widening hole 😄

6 hours ago, George Kinsey said:

And those deep Civil War plates and buckles I use to dig with this baby.

It was a different time period for sure. Whisper signals could mean a silver dime at 8" or your Civil War plate at 15" . It's so long ago that I don't even recall if we had any EMI affect those machines. I wonder if Garrett has a museum solely dedicated to every model it ever produced. That would be unbelievable if they could trace down every model they made, before they no longer exist.

I remember those days hunting. I used to see the older Garrett machines (new then) all over the parks I used to hunt. They did pretty well, as did the Compass machines of the day. All that shallow silver !!!! 🥰

On 4/1/2024 at 1:09 PM, Steve Herschbach said:

Almost nothing that 9m aware of. The last detector that Joe has had changes that were never implemented. What is being sold now is basically the same Fisher AQ as was sold in the beginning. Same 3.5 hour battery, same delicate cables, etc. What you see pictured on the First Texas website is what you get. Current User Manual referenced on that same website.

Ultimately there are some real questions about the max pulse delay setting and quality of the potentiometers being used at this time. Only First Texas can answer those questions, and people should be inquiring them for answers to those questions. In general all we are doing here is speculating and voicing opinions. What is clear is what is advertised on the FT website and nobody should expect anything more than what is being advertised.

 

😅 I was naively hoping they made improvements. I should have known better. 🙄 Maybe Alexandre should have tried this instead - Algoforce AQ. That would be an interesting collaboration. At least we know it would go into production 😏

On 3/30/2024 at 10:11 PM, rvpopeye said:

 

ObiNox Canobi 

Yup , just one is all it takes it seems.  Looking back through my log , I  averaged one silver in every 50 hours of detecting. or about .8 gram a week .  Zero gold so far... So you frequently top my total in one hunt.

I'm closer with my junk pile but still not close.

LOL Now I wish I hadn't done that..... 🥸   

Maybe I should move to a beach ?  ,,,,yours  🏴‍☠️  arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !  I really am a pirate if you flip me upside down !

I really don't mind , anyone making me look bad gives me goals . It's a good thing ,,,,I think. 🤔 

🖖 maintain yer course matey. 

 

 

 

Come on down.... or I can raid one of your beaches 🫢 Seriously if you are ever down this way (CT/RI) coast, we can do a hunt together. But after Memorial day, the season starts, so limited hours of hunting and only worth it if you live around the beach.

21 hours ago, tvr said:

That was an issue with the AQ LTD that Joe Beechnut (OBN) solved and was gracious enough to build battery packs for many who had the first units. If the current units are not better than the original factory ones, yes that short battery life is a good reason to not buy one.

Without Joe, the AQ would not be much fun to swing. Even with 2 batteries, you would be lucky to get 5 hours total. I wonder what was actually done to them recently?

3 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

I'm not sure... It had some kind of iron in it:

And the oddly shaped one is flat on the other side.

They're both thick and heavy.

The octagon piece may be a saddle stud or other horse decoration. Would have looked good polished up brass, or even plated. Does the other thick piece have any indication of a way to mount it? If not I would not rule out some kind of old coin. You are in an area where who knows what might have been brought over from Europe in the 1600's  Could be ancient.  It doesn't seem to serve a purpose just being a copper or bronze disc, so I'm thinking maybe coin.

Definitely some weird finds. The rose head nails I find from the 1600's usually hold up extremely well vs the newer nails. Maybe your spike has been hit from many sides when pounding it in and just resembles a rose head. The lead thing, although it is not shaped quite like a palm guard, it is close enough that it may be one. They are used to sit in your palm while you work with needles in leather or for cutting things in your hand. That may explain all the cross hatch marks you have on it. Maybe there is a need for one of those, for some craftsman in your area? Just some guesses on them.

11 hours ago, Gold Seeker said:

The UN Blower brush was made to clean camera lens, etc., they are made by a company in Japan who first started making them in 1958, the brush attachment can be remove and use the blub as just a blower for whatever needs blowing, so you can very well use it for starting a fire I guess!!

They also made other shapes, attachments and even some of different colors as well.

 

Even have this one with Zodiac signs.

 

 

 

Well at least one person in America had one 😄. I can't imagine the need to make many varieties of them based on sales. Maybe I'm just too young to remember them, or too poor to have a camera expensive enough for me to get one. 🙄 My Square Shooter 2 did not come with one in the box. 😏

10 hours ago, rvpopeye said:

sohN  

As always you're making my typical look unbelievably bad.🥸 LOL 

 And speakin' of bad.

That lead thing looks like bad ju ju to me , I'd return it to where I found it😯 , and  in an extra deep hole.

(Maybe try it as a lucky fishing weight first just to make sure ?) 🤩

And YES the white coating on the circuit board makes a huge difference in board corrosion in marine/harsh environments. 

 

Welcome to the forum Terry.   That pic is hard core !                                                                                        If you search for other sohN 's posts I think you'll  see ALL of what that Pi finds for him on those beaches !

  We're getting used to it here but you might need a warning before viewing....

 

One silver and I make you look bad??? 🤔 I thought you would be scolding me for not getting more. 😅 The lead amulet is harmless, the center piece is gone. Now if I disappear, I'll admit I was wrong. 😵 Terry should refrain from viewing some of my posts or risk seeing the ugly truth of the land part of the beach. But on the flip side, see how much us pulse guys help the water guys by removing all that trash before it gets into their territory. That way they can just find gold ring all day long 😍

38 minutes ago, tvr said:

Not rated for hunting in water ... for me that stops a purchase of one.

True, the new machines are not waterproof.... yet, so for many, including you, it is a no go. I bet you are not alone in thinking that. 🙂 But the AQ also need TLC for water hunting. There is virtually no feedback on leakage of the AQ because there are not that many units out there. I wonder how well it would rank if there were 100,000 of them sold? There are many people waiting on any new, good machine that would in work in water. I guess the question is who is going to step up to the plate and produce one. Even if the AQ was beefed up a bit, the changing of batteries in a 2-3 hour span, I would imagine, would turn off water hunters. I'm speculating of course, but I think many people are just going to wait it out for a new water machine.

"Designed with user comfort in mind"  Seriously? 🤭 There's a lot of fluff in their advertising of it.  Comfort is not one of the things I feel from running it. Fear, that something is going to snap off,  is more like it. But the quick response is one of the features I do like from it. With the other "new" pulse that just started to be released, for less $$$, I think the sales will go that way instead of the AQ. They waited too long and did not do anything to keep us interested in the refined version that was what we all wanted. Time goes by and there is another serious, low cost pulse machine on the horizon.

7 hours ago, MD4V.org said:

Super finds - Congratulations! I am brand new to the thread, and just wondering why you are using Pulse Induction when you have the premier SMF detector the Manticore. Please forgive my ignorance on this one. I used the Tesoro Sand Shark for years, but hesitated to take my GPX to the beach, fearing the salt air corrosion. - Terry

I use a pulse machine on my New England coastal beaches because of the black sand. The Manticore is a good machine for most conditions, but where I hunt the depth is greatly reduced. Also the numbers tend to go negative (for non ferrous targets) in certain sands. I always worried about ruining the GPX from using it at a beach, but after many partial seasons of hunting, it still works. I do have to mention that you do have to use a good electronics spray on the knobs and toggle switches to keep them from seizing up, but so far the electronics are surviving well. If you get a chance to see the circuit board of a GPX, you will notice it is cover in a tough white coating. I think that helps a lot. I need depth and a pulse in tough conditions gives me the best depth over VLF/ Multi machines.

4 hours ago, Gold Seeker said:

That UN blower bulb had a hollow stem with a brush on the end, it's made so you can wipe dust and blow it away at the same time by squeezing the bulb.

Here's a photo of a complete UN Blower Brush.

😄 Well that's a far cry from what I thought it was 😏. Thanks for finding that. I would have never guessed that. I think I'm still going to try and light a fire with it. It really does put out a lot of air for such a small bulb. One of the oddest plastic things I've found detecting.

41 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Great hunt, looks like you're getting back to typical now 🤔 🥲

Ok, I didn't know what your going to do after this, but the thing you asked about is indeed lead, it's a Shamans' medallion. 😬

I already dug an Indian artifact that may have changed the rain to the work days, but that thing may put it back on the weekend! Yikes! 😬😬

https://www.shamansmarket.com/products/lead-amulet-figures-pagos-de-plomo

Apparently they have different configurations, but the central figure from yours is missing. 😬

I don't like typical 😅. I like unbelievable better 😄 Yeah back to normal. I think that was the beaches way of saying "enough is enough - go somewhere else for a while".   Shamans' medallion. 😲😲😲. Ah... it's missing the center part, so it was already cashed in 😶. Thanks for finding that, I figured it was older than it appears to be. Besides how much magic can you get for $6.00? 🤭 By the way, watch out for the asteroid that I conjured up that is scheduled to hit your area this weekend....Sorry about that. 😖

Beach hunt # 29 was again at my favorite beach. The plan was to go over the area I did well at last week with the 5000, but this time with the AQ. I should be able to get some more low conductors, especially nickels. Again, it’s a very tricky sand composition with black/purple sand and a clay layer from 1” to 8”, varying as you move. It has some deep little holes and caverns, created due to how the clay settled or eroded. Nice little areas to trap coins and small targets. Now previously I ran the AQ after the 5000 and did very well on an adjacent section. This time, I could not get either machine to settle down. I lifted the coil up to get away from direct contact with the sand…. No luck. I lowered sensitivity to 8 on the 5000…. No luck. Same for the AQ, sensitivity 2 all frequency delays, ATS settings, all metal – Volcanic…. No go. It would either false a wide signal, or worse a nice, tight, repeatable signal that disappeared when you got down about 4”. I could not figure out what had changed. It's the same area, unaltered from the previous week. I did my best and finally as the hunt progressed, things settled down with the 5000. Eventually I figured out that all the recent rain had saturated this sand thoroughly. It did not have time to dry off enough to allow for detecting. So, the hunt was mostly uneventful, with just a Buffalo nickel and one silver Roosevelt dime. Some cool odd finds included a lead circle with strange symbols that can be broken off. Voodoo I think !!!  😲 A nice older design key, a small brass item I can’t ID, and a surface find of what appears to be a small air pump for starting a fire. Works great actually. I’m assuming the UN is either an old school clickbait, or maybe a product that the UN lists as a survival tool. Other than dealing with people that want to talk to you for hours, 🙄 it was a pretty nice day to be at the beach. 😄

17 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Man, back in stride! You sure needed this after the last hunt.

I like the Philippines coin, not necessarily rare but not one you see often, I didn't know it existed 😅

Guess you should hit this beach until you can't 🏆

Thanks. I was very happy to get some results again from that section. The Philippine coin threw me for a while because it's smaller than a dime. I wasn't sure what it was, but I knew it was silver. I definitely will be back next time out. 

16 hours ago, rvpopeye said:

And you worried you couldn't beat my hemostats ?  🤣       Just the spoons beat that thing , on usefulness alone.. 

Every time you start to hunt , the beach finds get nervous 🥸

 

 

 

Come on, hemostats are hard to beat 🤔 Spoons are a dime a dozen. 😄. I'm getting nervous, that about 1/3 of that beach has been detected to the clay layer by me. 😨. Eventually, I will need a pretty big storm to rip enough sand from the lower sections of the beach for me to get into that kind of groove again. It seems 1/2 of the beach gets slammed, while the other half doesn't see the same damage for some reason. I need a spy that lives close to the beach to let me know when the time is right 😏

Beach hunt # 28 was back at my favorite beach. This is the beach that produced a lot of silver and a ton of clad. The goal was to hopefully get 1 or 2 silver coins, but also to just relax after last week’s hunt. I got there late at around 10:30 and headed to the area I did well at, hoping I missed some silver. When I got there I noticed the area adjacent to my spot seemed to lose some sand. This was an area that was too sanded in to hunt. So, I opted to start there instead of going over ground I already did. It immediately started to produce coins and lots of iron. I spent about 6 hours there and was very happy to have a way better day than I expected. It actually turned into a battle of the spoons vs tent stakes. 🙄 How can people lose so many spoons? I did have to deal with a lot of big iron, which unfortunately did not fit into my pouch, so I left it high above the water line. My car was simply too far away to bring it there.

      What I did find was a lot of clad including 3 bicentennial quarters, one Liberty V and two Buffalo nickels. But the silver stole the show. 9 silver coins including the Walking Liberty half, and the US minted 10 Centavos coin from the Philippines. Digging was rough as this area is packed with rocks. I usually don’t scratch coins when I dig, but this time I scratched 3 of them using the spade or screwdriver. Just unavoidable unfortunately.

      A much better hunt than I was expecting and very happy to find that many coins. I’ll probably try and be back there again next week, and maybe give the AQ a shot there. Or just a smaller coil to navigate the big iron better with the GPX.

            A nice, fun, and relaxing day at the beach

On 3/19/2024 at 9:49 PM, rvpopeye said:

I'm a musician so I have an airtight excuse....

I just realized I posted my beach hunt in your beach thread. 🙄 No charge.

I'll move it as best as I can...........

Post move due to me being a dum bass (not to be confused with dumb ass.)😜

But I did leave you a couple of likes ! 

 

 

 

I read that post. You should have left it there. That way it seems I would just have to find a couple of pull tabs and some zinc pennies to beat you 😄 Now I have to actually find something good on my next hunt. 🙄 Spoiler alert, I did. ☺️ I hope you do well if you did get out to the beach today. 🤞

Nice first hunts on a new permission. Them winds can be brutal sometimes. They are the same way beach hunting, you are out in the open. But you ended up with some silver and more cool relics, so a good hunt. Sometimes farms are scraped of some top soil to sell. Maybe that's what happened many years ago and they took a lot of the goods with them. Although, if you have an excess of iron, then it was probably cherry picked for high conductors.

Did you get hungry while you were out there? 😄 You didn't have to take a bite out of that Lincoln cent. What did it ever do to you? 🤔

Stunning buckle. There are 2 kinds of spectacle buckles - Crude and Cruder  😄 Yours is the cruder (older). 😍 As for the gnats, do you have a drop down net hat? I've been save many times with a net on. Kind of weird at first with a net right on your eyeballs 🙄 but after getting some of those gnats in your eyes, nose and mouth, you'll be reaching for that net

7 hours ago, phrunt said:

Thanks Chase, that was a great post, my lack of understanding of iron is due to my lack of ever really finding iron targets.   Nails are about it, and tiny little shards off digger buckers in gold areas.  The odd old metal matchbox from the miners or broken-down tin can from their foods but really, not a whole lot of iron targets in my life. 

"Not a lot of iron targets in my life"? --------- You truly live in paradise! 🙂

Wow, some nice finds. Great button. 🥰 2 Flying Eagles shows you when that site was active. Being only produced a couple of years, they do not turn up very often.  Watch out for that Z phone. I have the Z 3 and the screen already cuts out when I open it. Just under 2 years old, so it's getting replaced next week. No more flip phones for me.