schoolofhardNox

Nice Seated. Probably a solid XF condition wise, minus the ground caused surface scratches we all get. That star pattern button is very interesting as well. Nice little hunt!

That's where I hunt as well 😄. If you see a long haired, old guy digging huge craters in the sand, that's probably me 🙄 I've been hitting that area for about 6 or 7 years now. Who know, we may have chatted one time or another.

Look, this has morphed into something it was not supposed to be. I think the OP has all the information that he needs about PI's to make his decision. If I had the power to close this post, I would do it. But what it has exposed is the need for some to tell some of us that we don't fully understand how to use MF. What I was getting at, and that's when things really went sour 🙄, was the fact that we should not be discussing the clever ways to tweak MF to get it to do what we want, but rather the fact that you have to do it in the first place to get it to respond to a very shallow nickel. How quickly we forget that tweaking a machine to get the most of it was for the most dedicated and experienced hunters. Are we now to believe that everyone has to tweak MF to get it to work for us?? My beaches are nothing compared to those who test completely black sand beaches, yet my results are very similar to the masking that is being experienced with MF. Instead of defending MF, why not question why it can't go through black sand like other machines can? Just think, if PI machines started to function like the MF does, would this conversation be the same? *** As for you Steve, please don't cave in to those who want to teach us something most already know. The flow of information, good or bad needs to be here. If people like you fall into the background, then we lose that critical information. 🥺 I for one will continue to post about the good points of any metal detector I use as well as the bad points. My suggestion to anyone regarding my posts is: if you are not willing to listen to the issues I have and discuss them without bypassing the intent of my post, then please use the function to ignore me.

Look, I agree conditions matter, so does the composition of the nickel. I'm going to opt out of further discussion also because my meaning of the criticism of MF was lost somewhere in the post. So in a nut shell, If my pinpointer picks up a target better than a very expensive machine, there is something up with the technology. I guess I'll stick with my PI and find what must be thousands of nickels that machines have not seen on my beaches. They should all be there ☹️ It's a wonder anyone found them before. Must be some magic in the Deus II, Excalibur and Sovereigns that have, and are still finding nickels on those same beaches.

I disagree wholeheartedly with you. I'm not quite sure what your point was, but trying to say the nickel is not all that different from the ground at that shallow of a depth, I feel is incorrect. A radio shack detector from the 70's could find that nickel. There is something inherently wrong with MF when it comes to certain beach conditions and that is being experienced in other videos as well. A lot of people try and protect Minelab, but the evidence is out there. Trying to somehow say that the video posted was not the best test is absurd. It doesn't matter what settings, programs or and other factors were present. The machine should have screamed on a nickel at that depth. Deeper and all bets are off. This is one of the few times I disagree with you.

Here is a bit about the Garrett pinpointer from their online manual. It operates at 11.5 kHz. international standards: • FCC • CE • RoHS • ICNIRP • IEC 529-IP 68 SPECIFICATIONSModel Name: Garrett Pro-Pointer® AT Model Number: 1140900 Operating Temperatures: -35ºF (-37ºC) to 158ºF (70ºC) Operating Frequency: 11.5 kHz Waterproof Rating: 20 foot (6 meter) maximum depth; IP 68 Tuning: Automatic or manual retune Indicators: Proportional audio/vibration pulse rate Controls: Power, Retune, Adjust switch Dimensions: Length: 9” (22.9 cm) Thickness: 1.5” (3.8 cm) tapered to .875” (2.2 cm) Weight: 6.5 oz. (0.2 kg.), with battery in Battery: Single 9V (included) Battery Life: Carbon: 16 hours Alkaline: 30 hours Rechargeable: 8 hours Warranty: 2 Years, Limited Parts/Labor Patent Information: US 7,575,065; D583,261 and patents pending

Not a bad DB from a cellar hole. Most of them do not survive very well, especially the reverse.

That's why my Manticore sits in the corner now. That is the main reason I use a PI on beaches almost exclusively. I think when I posted that I had issues at a beach and finally brought out the PI, some people probably thought "user error" ☹️ I think the OP will be happy with the PI they choose over any VLF/MF if they are on those kinds of beaches. Thanks for that video. It clearly explains the difficulties of MF. The Garrett Carrot did a better job of finding that nickel 🤣

A beauty 🥰 Congrats on a nice chunk of gold!!

😄. Although I would recommend the 5000 on dry sand, I'm not much for it on wet sand. I think your choice was already mentioned and is a good one. Proven PI's that have withstood the test of time are your best bet. The AQ is not durable enough for the conditions unfortunately. Come on Joe D, you know you want to dig some iron with a 5000. 🤣 I'm the guy to show you how to do it. 😇 And the VLF/ Multi vs PI thing never dies. 🙄 It's a situational thing....There are very, very few beaches where I hunt where a non PI machine can compete with a PI for extreme depth. Minelab and Deus are making great strides and are solidly hitting deeper than ever, but bury an 18" silver dime and ask those machines to see it and you will hear crickets. In Florida it may be completely different, but in any kind of black sand situation I go PI and don't mind digging a lot of iron. No one is replacing old coins for me, and now days even the silver and gold rings are being depleted at an alarming rate. They are being replaced with Tungsten steel, zinc based plated junk, gold plate over steel, titanium, etc. Get a good PI, then get a back up good PI and dig until you drop!

Machines have come a long way. In the ancient times 😄 a fast sweep was guaranteed to miss deep stuff. These days some machines require you sweep faster to grab a signal better. Too slow and they may not detect it at all. Now a sloppy pattern to your sweep, leaves the rest of us to clean up after them. So those guys sweeping like that is a good thing. Keep it up guys. 😇

Thanks. I'm happy with the V nickel since they are harder to come by on a beach. If it was a cellar hole hunt, I'd be like "Crap just a V nickel" 😄. Some advice for you if you choose to dig some iron......detect that ravine first (snakes and all). That is inevitably where the gold coins would have been found (Murphy's Law) 🙄 Seriously, digging some large, overpowering signals may get you a lot of big iron, but may get you a cannon ball or musket barrel. You never know. Digging that fort just last week, I finally decided to dig an iron target and found some scissors from the 1812 era. Not ground shattering but a cool, personal find. Yes I am 😅. It only hurts for a day.🤕 Seriously, after digging all day, the ride home hurts more than the hunt. When cellar hole (or farm field) hunting, I was never one to dig iron. But the few times I did, I found some neat relics like full strap hinges, a cool looking fire place ash removing tool, some adze, axes, hoes, etc.. Even a cool looking ornamental top piece to a parlor wood stove. You never know what will show up. That's exactly what you need.😅 You can pay for it from all the scrap iron you recycle!!!. It would be nice to see what you come up with if you do try and dig some iron.

Beach hunt #14 is history. I just needed to get out and detect, but I also just wanted to stay as close to home as possible. So, it was at my second favorite (almost first favorite) beach. It gave me silver two times in a row, but this time I just couldn’t squeak one out. 😭 Almost all finds were modern, including some Jeffersons that I swore would be from the 40’s, but were no older that the late 70’s. It did, however, give me a Buffalo nickel as well as a surprise Liberty V nickel. First V from this beach that I can remember. Also, an old tiny oval pin that looks like it was from the 20’s or so. So, a bit of a reward for all my effort. I did have to dig a ton of iron just to get the area sort of clean. Not pictured are all the other railroad spikes that I left there along with other huge iron. Sorry, I’m not lugging that out. 😄 Worth the exercise and a pretty pleasant weather day after all.

Incorporated in 1648, even if it was settled 50 years later, you still have the possibility of hammered coins. Coins were hard to come by, so any coin had value. I'm sure there was quite a bit of bartering then if you had no coins. 1607 is no joke.... that's early. you should be able to plot the sections you get early coins from and revisit them a lot 😄

I'll answer question #2 first - NOOOOOOO 😭 It is a Spanish Quatro, date range (no actual dates on these) 1516-1520, Found in 2016 - so could have been 500 years old when found. Found on a foot path that was a Native American fort and later an English fort. 1" deep. I knew it was hammered when I saw it.

From cobs to Charles IIII silver. Interesting buttons as well. Can't ask for better than that. Congrats on a super hunt!! You don't need any sleep when you are finding that. 😄

Nice score on the Virginia half penny!!! And don't jinx yourself, you are in an area that you can beat that 1607 six pence. 😮 My oldest coin was found on a path and was only about an inch deep, so anything is possible.

Thanks!! Me too 😄. I didn't dare go out today or else! 😬. I'm lucky to live fairly close enough to beaches that have a lot of old coins still left there.

Nice hunt. Isn't always the case that your digging shallow good targets and so when you dig deep, your excitement gets crushed when you pull out a a stinkin' pull tab 😭 Not sure what your small cent is. They do make small cent store card tokens so it could be one of those. If you want all that crud gone (as well as probably the details of the coin 😲) you could drop it in hot hydrogen peroxide. Saves you more time than the steel wool adventure. Chances are the coin is toast under that crud, so it probably won't matter. But you never know what is under neath that hard crud. I've found the same artifact you have that is just above the Mercury dime. I'm assuming yours is a pewter/ lead draw pull(?), or maybe some leather decoration from a saddle? Interesting old find.

Thanks. It was not the easiest of hunts. It just shows you that sometimes you have to work harder for just one silver, then finding 5 or 6 of them. On the projects, I don't mind handing the artifacts in. At least they end up telling part of a historic story. I probably won't see a picture of the cleaned up button as it takes them a long time to clean all the artifacts. This one is actually a Navy button I believe. Marines and Navy buttons look very similar through history. After a lull of about a year and a half, the projects are starting to roll in. One day I'm on an 1812 hunt and the next day it's a King Philip war hunt (around 1674-75). Next season seems similar. These are shorter projects than the ones I did previous. All in all it's a ton of fun. It's a bit tricky since the 1812 hunt is directly under and next to 2 sets of high tension lines. You can sometimes hear them snap, crackle and pop 😅Very difficult for all machines. Agreed.. With the massive waves of that last storm and after watching the cameras set up for surfers, I expected the beach to be stripped. The surge pushed up the beach, past the buildings and well into the parking lot. Results?? No much erosion damage. 😌 I had hoped to find the Eagle button (one of my goals) and I was getting a bit discouraged that no one has found one yet. How can we not find that in a fort with a lot of men???🤔 But as we all know, it happens when you are just about to curse that you are about to dig another stupid shot gun shell. Now the partial return to the artistic flare was a leftover impulse.....I think I was just over tired 😄 Thanks. I may get lucky and sneak in another hunt. I'm destined to end the season on a zinc penny 🤭 😄. Yep, Lady Liberty has some beauty issues to take car of. She actually looks pretty good for almost being a 100 years old. 💀. Come on down. Maybe you will bring me some good luck. Or maybe your plan is to just bring me some cold weather 🥶.

WD 40 too? 😮 Now I have to up my game. 😔 I may have to actually rinse off some of my stuff.... partially anyways 😄 That 350 guy makes us both look bad. 😠 But that's the guy you want to buy from when he sells his gear 🙂 So exactly what do you do with that guitar anyways 🤭

Can't wait to hear how it does on the 5000. Nice that you got it just in time!

You guys are killing me with the clean gear 😄 Are you sure you guys actually metal detect?🤔 My gear looks like I put it through a shredder and duct taped it back together. My wife sews me new pouches to put on my belt about every 1 or 2 years.

Beach hunt # 12 and #13 are done. The first hunt was at 2 beaches that I never go to. Not a lot to say, as they were not very productive. The only item of interest was a very convincing gold bracelet that turned out to be just bling! 😫 I was hoping for some erosion, but not much sand movement recently. The second hunt was a week later and also consisted of 2 beaches. These are my favorite beaches, and it was the day after the storm had passed. Lots of severe waves but not the result that I expected, unfortunately. It did kick up some goodies, but only one silver and a couple buffalo nickels. A decent amount of copper cents, as most of them being Memorials you can guess that it was the wrong era, hence the lack of silver. I did get one old wheat cent (1929) out of the deal. Also, the smallest religious medal and smallest hem weight I have ever seen. 🧐 Some grueling hunts with not a lot of good targets in my pouch. The weather was decent considering how far into December we are. BONUS HUNT: I didn’t want to start another post, so here is 2 days results of detecting a War of 1812 fort site. 10 round ball (not pictured) and a (yet to be cleaned) Navy button. That button made the hunts worth it. We are trying to determine the size of the fort and where things were placed. I love that kind of work. 🥰 Time now to enjoy the holidays.

I've always wondered if you could correct any sloppy windings with some tunable electronic circuit installed as well. Anyways, I always encourage others to try whatever they want to accomplish. Some of the best things invented come from tinkering around and trying unconventional or inspirational ideas. Good luck SwampFox on your endeavor. Are you located in the US by any chance. SwampFox was related to the Rev war I believe.