Dances With Doves

The    Nox  can  do much more then gold hunt well.The 24 k is  mostly a gold machine.The 24k does have the 6" concentric and that is a very sensitive coil for gold.  You can use that coil in all   ground   but  very hot ground. The Nox  does  not have    that  coil.    Both will get  the job done for gold.If you can afford both then get the lobster and the cracked     crab.(Trading place movie)Why can't we  get both.

12 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I agree. For now I am not looking to chase super faint, whisper signals seeking max depth. Frankly, the areas I hunt I generally don't lack for targets. So my goal is more to see how well I can use the machine to pick better targets. That may mean just using my ear in all metal mode, or seeing if the discrimination system really is all it is supposed to be. On one hand the disc systems is touted as amazing new technology, and on another the only serious long-time user of the machine eschews using the discrimination at all. We are now being told the disc modes are more a tool for beginners. That kind of puts a dent in the idea a person is going to be able to use this machine to focus on ring range targets while getting PI type depths. I once had this idea I would be putting the machine in tone mode and only digging clean ring signals, moving the numbers more in my favor compared to an all metal PI. Now I am not so sure that will be the case, and is really the number one item I need to sort out with the machine. It could be the depth loss in employing the disc modes removes much of the reason for having a PI, once again making a VLF the better option if discrimination is the goal. I suspect this will prove to be the case for places like Florida. As always I assume it will depend on the location, with some areas calling for all metal, and some for discrimination. But I'm having doubts the discrimination system is the magic bullet it was being sold as at one point.

I hope it has good modulation like the infinum does for    picking targets to dig.I imagine the ATX was about the same.

                Thank you for  the   testing you did for us to see.If you have some small   white  gold rings that would be interesting to watch.My infinium struggles when they get deep.

I am  doing the same test as I did with GMX and  NOX. The  first test I did was with the infinium with a 8' mono coil  and I got   nothing.I did a test one time with the same size white  and yellow gold rings, and the yellow gold gave  me a dig me  hit and white gold nothing.This machine does not like small deep  white gold rings.I bet the new AQ would hit it.I then tried the X-terra with the 6'' 18kz dd coil.I did it in prospect mode with max sens. and got a very soft  signal but  repeatable. This is max  depth for this combo.I then tried it in coin mode with every thing open in 1 tone and I got a very soft hit with -8 and 48 as id which are iron wrap around #'s. The  infinium did hit the 9" nickel I buried 8  years ago with a nice soft signal.This machine likes  deeper yellow gold better in my opinion.

Good thing  you didn't sell the  ORX.This  is not the time to be  without a   machine since it is the main  time to water hunt  ( June-  September).

Who better then OBN  on getting 1AQ  for water  gold hunting in the U.S..

With all the gold that you  found you can open up a  jewelry store. You can call it OBN  VINTAGE JEWELRY.

12 minutes ago, Rick N. MI said:

The battery will not keep a charge. I sent an email to Nokta tech. to see what they can do. I might just get the waterproof AA battery pack which will run without the rechargeable battery.

Now I'm waiting for my Equinox 800 to come back and see what I can do with the Gold Kruzer.

I'm down to my XP Orx now which isn't a bad thing :). I'll be water hunting with it or awhile.

 How     do you water hunt with the orx,only waist  deep?

7 hours ago, Rick N. MI said:

On small gold the Nox will hit in Park 2 and Gold modes. The other modes won't hit them. I tried all the modes on a gold chain, very light gold cross and a tiny piece of gold off an earring. I noticed with Gmx that the deep signals are very soft hits. That's just the way it is. I really would like to see concentric coils for the Equinox. I don't know if it is possible with multi frequency. You will find smaller targets with the Gmx.

I had a slightly bigger 14 k  white  gold ring     buried at 7"for   2 years and GMX and 6"  coil hit it very nice.The Gmx 4by 6 will be nice  when I only want to go shallow.I will try   testing some chains after.The   ring I just did my testing on barely fits on my pinky.

 I tried the 6" Gmx coil on the same target.It gave me a soft signal that would make me dig it.When I turned on  target  the signal was more broken.This coil was much more stable then 4by6.I wonder if the 4by 6 is a bad coil  since it gives   false signals  when I lift it up.The 6inch does not.It makes me wonder how good a 6inch concentric  would work on Nox for small   targets.Would you buy one if they made it? I will try  6inch coil on Nox next.

2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Well, after 45 years of detecting I get fooled also. There will always be questionable targets. I get ones that are real borderline, and I’m pretty sure they are ferrous. The thing is, we are out there to metal detect, and that means digging stuff up sometimes to see what it is. So I figure, hey, why not, and dig it up. And it’s usually junk. But every once in a while it is not. What I’m trying to say is that in my opinion, if you are not digging a little junk you are not trying hard enough. I look for reasons to dig, not reasons to avoid digging. I think some of the less successful among us are those who cannot tolerate digging junk, so they use high discrimination settings and cherry pick the targets. They are the people that say a park is hunted out. Then people like me go in and recover all the finds they left behind. So don’t worry about digging a little junk... it’s a good thing! 

I don't mind getting fooled a few times as long as I make a good find.In  certain spots  it pays to go for ugly  signals.I was  using my 10' 7kz  xterra coil which was not best choice since ring  targets were   nickel hits.I  got a deep soft iron  hit and  dug my 7th Jesuit ring.It was the only ring that  day since we pounded that  area before  .My  friends got no rings.

Burying this small ring at 8" in 4 bar  Gmx dirt  I grabbed the  Nox for a front yard  test. It is  semi high emi  area.I used  park1   first and  could    get   some what stable at a sen. of 19 with F2 at 0 and 50tone.All I got was a small  broken sound.I put it in Park 2 and every thing the same and I got a much  stronger signal with good id hits mixed with some iron.It got better or worse if  I turned on  target.I then put it in gold 2 and tried multi   freq. first at 19  sens.   It gave a solid hit  and not bad  id.In 20  kz in same mode I could bump up  sens to 22  and it gave a strong signal with id all over the place. I   then put it in 40 kz and I could put the sen. at 24 and it gave a very strong signal with id all over the place.  The Recovery speed was 4 on all   tests.I then tried the Whites Gmx with the 4by6 dd coil and it did not  give a sound.I will try the 6' coil for Gmx next. 

Token. silver ring I found yesterday gave me a 28 and was about same  size.

Nice ring. Being in Greece the  people will bring you gold from all over the world.

Thanks. We    don't have much gold in  NY state  buy  we had deep   ice during the ice age.One guy   found a 1.6 gram piece In this area. That much ice must of  affected the rocks here. It   could be a nugget.Our gold is from Canada via the ice .

Hi   Simon ,At a spot abut 40' from where we  were finding gold.I took the detector and got a hit in the solid bedrock. It sounded  like a regular  size splitshot  for   fishing  but they  don't fish here.I don't  think it was under  the  bedrock but in it.Do you find gold in the solid bedrock and how deep does your pinpointer  get a half gram piece.They do hunt  here  so I wonder if It is  22 slug that some  way found it's way under the  rock.My friend    says he can' find the signal anymore but he  might not be looking in  the  right spot.I should go back  one day and check again but it is far.

Nice looking ring.  It's nice  finding ice during our   summer  season. 

  A minelab  tester called digger said the 3kz coil on the xterra by running 50 tones would give    him a certain tone when  he pulled away from target.He could  tell  mostly if it was a  coin or deep iron.It saved him a lot of digging  in the farm fields.

I have used my Tony phones full time and I  love them . I use them   for wading and  turf  hunting  .I don't know how the  Pelsos sound so I can't help you.

Sorry  that happened  Rick.  I have had mine  for 2 years and no problems and    over 60 hours  submerged.

That is what the western    USA hunters  have    over us  east folk is there great tokens.One lucky hunter with a whites found a token  from the great mining town of Bodie California. It is worth  thousands.That town is over 8000' in elevation.They also have their gold nuggets, more gold coins,and more abundant s mint coins.I  heard one guy with a  Garrett found a  private  mint gold coin  worth hundreds of  thousands of dollars. Tom will tell you, we have are large cents. 

7 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

In Australia a specimen like that is often crushed and melted into an ingot. In the U.S. such specimens are far rarer, and this would command a premium over the gold value left as is or perhaps enhanced with acid treatment.

It's a stunner for sure - thanks for sharing Gerry!

Steve, about how much is that worth?

I  don't think that  one would fit in your mouth.

Even though I was  hunting only waist deep water, the 25mph winds coming  with 10 miles  of fetch to the other end of this lake made it a  little tough concentrating.Plus  this cove  had metal walls which made the waves act like a bathtub.  I was hunting with my buddy Dancing Dave  who had the At gold.I got 1small stained 10k  ring with blue  stone,1 silver ring,a merc,a  rosie,a 1960 Washington quarter,buffalo nickel,6 wheats,lures,plus 2 junk jewelry .Dave got a silver ring. I called him over  for the merc but he only heard a iron grunt with  his small coil.All the older coins were deep in this pounded spot. I also dug many deep  older memorials.  I was not going to bring the Gmx   here because  it is to  trashy and I  wanted silver.My silver count for the year is 65 ,Gold count only one. I Was hunting  park 1 mostly.Hunted park 2 and had a 7 1/2  birdshot  stuck in chicken wire against scoop.The  Nox is a  fantastic machine.

5 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

I have been tempted but it is just hard to justify the cost delta against other capable single frequncy (multi selectrable) vlf detectors in the market place today.  Even if I concede it has superior salt/mineralized ground performance vs. other Multi F detectors, is that really worth the $600 - $800 premium.  Compared to Deus, probably a no brainer, but there is no way I would buy a Deus at its retail price today nor any other VLF north of $1000 today.

To spend that much money  I would want a machine for high dollar items(gold jewelry).If you hunted wet sand all the time  I would like one.If you have extra money then it is no big deal to purchace it.If you had to choose between it and the new  pulse coming out for salt work I wonder  what the good hunters would  choose if they can only get one.