Dances With Doves

If I hunted  the wet salt sand I would want one.

4 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I just tried my two coils and the concentric does hit harder. That is one of the advantages of a concentric. However, in very mineralized ground that advantage disappears and the DD is usually the better option. I would always use the concentric personally unless I was getting to much ground feedback/overloading or hot rock problems.

More on the subject soon, a little busy at the moment.

 Thanks for taking the time to test.I will use the 6" mostly.The 4by6 will be nice when I want to hunt shallow for more realistic targets. A 3mm white gold   earring is like trying to pull a stunt in finding one. Things have to be perfect.I    wonder if they made a small coil   like the Goldbug pro how sensitive that would be in a concentric?I would buy one.               

Yes, A surface   target.The 4by6 hits it    mostly near the  nose of the coil. Have both coils.

I have a  Kezef creations 3mm 10k white gold topaz  pair of earrings that I got for less then $12 on  Amazon with  silicon backing. It seems that  the 6.5"concentric hits it much better so far when it's on the  ground.I would think the much smaller   4by 6 DD would hit it about the same because of it's small   size.I  will have to do more testing.Bad coil? What  do you think?

48 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

From what I saw Alexandre is doing a better job than I would.  I excel at content. Look and feel I lean to simplicity because my graphic arts skills are only so-so at least. I have a good eye for photography, but layout and design, not so much.

You should both work on it.You  have more talent then you  think because you have a great forum.Your pictures  when you show a metal detector make me want to buy it.If he worked  solo on the website it might be 2 years until  the gold PI comes out  if they still need his time on it.

7 minutes ago, phrunt said:

That Impulse Gold made my day!  Maybe Fisher should also contract Alexandre to make their new overdue website 😛

 

They should hire Steve for that.

Good point Mike.Audio is personal.I could interpret  the iffy  hits on the Xterra very   well and  did great for gold. Others may  not like it.  It sounds  close to nox for audio which made the learning curve easy.I use Tony Eis. headphone and love them.

In the turf the nox is way more accurate then xterra on deep coins.It(  Xterra)     up averages them when they get deep.In some places it' s no big deal because you     dig all anyway   because you are going for rings and coins.In some places you are digging to many pulltabs.The xterra is a  great turf gold machine and tot lot machine with 18kz. I also have done good for silver coins  with 10" 7kz coil.Still not as good as nox to me. The xterra is a machine that  does many things well  do to coil change system.I  never tried a 3kz. dd  coil on this machine.I think I will buy a 7  " 3kz dd. coil called Lion from Mars to see what it could do  since it is cheap  compared to digger coil from coiltech.

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

With chains you are detecting them more as a loose collection of parts than as a single object. How they are oriented in the ground determines a lot. Typically target id numbers are very low, like single digits. This is true of most any detector. The last chain I dug was just a crappy erratic aluminum signal. Would not have dug it normally were I not doing the dig all non-ferrous thing. Sounded like trash.

The secret really is not what to dig. That is simple. Dig all non-ferrous. The secret is being in a good location where chains are likely. Like next to the outdoor basketball court where those tough young guys like sporting gold chains and other bling. Any sports are in general is good, or places where people are taking shirts on and off for sun tanning. Whatever. Jewelry detecting is location, location, location, plus patient digging.

 The one I got was a faint high-low hit in water with infinium .Was   about 10 inches in a cut.If  these  big chains get deep they will start getting iffy signals.I did get a 1/2 ounce 18k         bracelet in  dry  sand with  Bandito and cleansweep coil.It went beep and  few inches down was my target.

5 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

No disrespect or lack of empathy meant to the families in the following:

You could say the same thing about half of us here, me in particular with some of the stuff I have done. I could have died in a fall, or gold dredging alone, or eaten by a bear, or in a plane crash into a remote area, or drowned in the surf in Hawaii. I'd rather die engaged in adventure than at home in an easy chair dreaming of it. "They died doing what they chose to do." That would look good on any gravestone.

He said they were not in a dangerous  area but easy to get to.

Mostly a  solid 4. Hits it very hard  on ground with the whole chain lying together. It  will air    test off ground to at least   10" in park2.

I have one over a ounce that looks like that    and it's about 24" and when I set it on ground it gives me a 4 in park 1 and  park 2.I found it with the Infinium.

I  heard of someone   dredging a creek a few miles  from this spot and finding a 1.6  gram piece ,That is big for NY state .     The best I  got was a 1.3 grain  nugget south  of  Buffalo panning.

Great hunting   .At   retail that ring would go for more money then a  new  Nox  at your local  jewelry store.What number   does that  air test? 20.

Since you have found many nuggets, would you count the one I found.I went to  Stanton,Arizona in 2002 but found nothing. In   2014 in a  Finger  lake area creek in a deep gorge we went sniping for gold.I brought the AT gold and  got   a nickel hit. Me and my  friend  sniped that spot with our tools and got some pieces.One was .5 grains. I also got the nickel.Most   were deeper then 5inches.There was sand all over the creek bottom  from  our work.It was getting dark in this spot so I took the  machine and  detected.I got a little  hit and fanned the sand and there was a   almost .6 grain  piece.If I did not have the machine I would have not  found that  piece since it was hard to find.This was on bedrock.Would you count it as a     detector find ?

I took the Gmx to the beach and hunted the dry sand. There are so many coal like black   hot  rocks that sound good with  numbers all the way to the 60's that it was  not where I would want to use  this machine. Hunted 2 and a half  hours and found 1 penny.One  friend found 3.18 plus silver ring with Tesoro and cleansweep coil and the other found 2.85 plus 2 clad hoop earrings with nox.I was just going for solid shallow  hits.I did take it in the water  for a few minutes and it seemed stable but I was only a foot deep.Still to early to tell in water  .I have to pick my spots with this machine . I  turf hunted after and got 5 Wheaties and a swank sterling piece of jewelry with nox in a pounded area.  The nox is a treasure greedy machine for sure.

I took the Gmx with 6" coil for a  spin  at a tot lot    next to a kiddie soccer field.I need to get coil covers for both coils for beach use.I was  able to run at sens. of 10 with boost 2 no  problem.  I found very small aluminum in tot lot and was only digging shallow hits of less then 2"(To hot). I did manage to get a nice size cz clad stud ear ring.I even got a #2 steel  shot pellet.In the    turf I dug a 2016 Dominican 50 peso coin as I was just going for coin hits in this pounded field.I like the tight signals from the 6" coil.I think I will like this machine but it  does not have the  turn on a dime ability of the Nox.You can hunt silver then change modes and your hunting small gold.    I think the Gmx  will be great small gold   machine   .

4 minutes ago, Skullgolddiver said:

I've been tempted to buy it, but is an older model and probably the seahunter was a better choice due to the control box...Today reading Steve's experience I'm grateful to never acquired one...

In the saltwater, around my area, GB Is the least important thing... Unluckily the cheaper Sea hunter was probably a better option ...I only purchased the TDI cause of the two tones, believe me...

If the Impulse with two tones and an 8.5ms delay is able to run with even half of the noise, in the future I'll be in heaven.

I know what you are saying about the 2 tone.It is  much easier to find gold when you have it. The modulation of the infinium was nice,but you had to wind the  wire around the machine  tight or the coils would go bad much faster.I hunt  freshwater with it.Atx way to expensive for all the problems  you hear of. If the put a Atx in infinium box and made it more   reliable for $1200 it would be a winner plus with cheaper coils.

7 minutes ago, Skullgolddiver said:

I rarely have the problem of depth cause I mostly hunt when erosion is good after strong storms...A vlf only accelerate the process for me and I honestly don't dig for Euro's signals... What I'm fighting actually is noise with the 12" dual field, which force me on the TDI to keep delay over 15ms, bit I still hear terrible noise at every little wave over my head...I need a smaller coil otherwise I'll throw it somewhere soon.

They should have interchangeable coils like the infinium did.Did you ever use that machine?

7 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

An hour more or less depending on which beach I hit. It is a huge lake, and alone could keep me busy for years. I also have been getting advice on other smaller lakes, mostly up in the Sierras, that are popular with the summer swimming crowd. No lake of places to use this thing, and by and large very thick with magnetite sands.

Get a gold ring in    Lake Tahoe and your in the mile high club.Those   high  lakes  in the dead of summer  are the place to be and perfect place to test  that machine.

2 hours ago, Skullgolddiver said:

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Hi skullgold diver.Does the very salty waters of the Med. sea make it tough on machines to get depth.Also do you find a lot of Euros?

I hope you get a deep monster gold ring with the new Impulse Steve. How long does it take you to get to lake Tahoe?

My machine arrived on the 4th. I put it together  but  I have to learn how to go through all the settings   with confidence  so I know  I am not messing things up.One thing I did is I used a  lady's thin medium size below a nickel hit gold ring in beep mode and compared it to a rusty bottlecap.When I pulled away  from the gold ring the signal went away  fast but the bottlecap signal  held on much longer plus the signal was very  intense.It is early to see if this will  still work (bigger rings)  when I do  more testing but it is a good sign.

Welcome to the forum. The 600  would be my pick then waiting for Apex.You    never know when you may  want waterproof.

14 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

I have owned just about every XP coil variant except the 11x13  LF and X35 versions  (too nose heavy and flexed the stock shaft from my brief swing of the beast).  Almost exactly 3 years to the day I got my hands on a 9" HF round coil and I have never looked back.  I have used to the 9.5" elliptical and one of my hunting buddies swears by it and has had great success with it including some great deep finds, but it never quite clicked with me.  I like the 28 khz sweet spot on the coil and have done great with it at the beach, relic hunting, coin shooting, and contest hunting.  It just feels right and I don't question whether I am getting sufficient depth like I do when I am using the elliptical.  I sometimes use the 9.5" elliptical in tight swing situations, but that's about all.  I don't think the depth delta between the two coils is that significant, especially in mineralized ground or when hunting micro targets, but the 9" round just feels right overall for me whether it is attached to the Deus or Orx.  I know that is pretty subjective, but that's the truth.  

The 9" coil seems like it would be nice for hunting  gold rings.      Could you use that combo in a park and  keep up with nox  for silver coins?