Alluminati

That is a gorgeous old ring and a spectacular hunt all way around. Wow, silvers, vintage confectionery, old key etc. You know as time goes on, I see more and more how useful a GPX could be to someone like me in the north east. This thread pretty much ends my internal debate, I am going to get one. Thanks for sharing happy new year.

If the $78 was only quarters, that alone would be 312 coins. If the $78 was half quarters, half dimes that would be 546 coins. If the $78 dollars was 75% pennies which is a more typical ratio, well that would be over 6000 coins. About 22 coins per hour, or a coin every 2.72 minutes. Folks in Canada think it will be easy too when they hit a modern relatively untouched site with a lot of large denomination coins. That can however dry up real quick. It will take another 30 years for these modern coins to replenish themselves if dropped at the same rate. People don't use as many coins now, plus new coins are steel so guess what lol. $78 in sub- one dollar coins is very respectable IMO.

lmao thats awesome! I was wondering who would get the first gold. You are well rewarded for your efforts, really nice going.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned meteorite, that's what it looked like. I should have spoke up[ before it was smashed lol but you know how often it actually turns out to be one. Aside from the usual tests, (specific gravity et al) if you had a piece big enough to cut and polish you might find the tell tale Widmanstatten pattern on it with a bit of acid etching.

If you dont have a way to measure it you might get an idea of the melting point from a black body radiator chart like this. Source: Heat Treat Colors Of Steel Chart

Looking back on my post it does seem harsh on Makro, but at the same time I just watched an "in the field live dig" comparison between the Anfibio and other modern machines on unknown targets, it still holds water. I think the Anfinbo was the only one "iron toning" on these shallow targets in moderately mild minerlization. It even sounds cheap next to a Deus and thats sayin something. It's hard to make a single frequency platform stand out in 2018. Adding new features to a mediocre machine will still give mediocre results. That Antifio was performing like a $150 machine would. The rest doesn't matter at that point. Minelab has been the undisputed king of metal detectors basically since they hit the market. There has never been a time when they didn't have the best machine for anyone. ATGold? please, 705 with a football is a way nicer machine been around forever. Big heavy Whites?, Explorers that squeal on silver. Light zippy audio machine Deus hot on shallow low conductors in iron that necessitate a recovery speed change?, moderately light Equinox that pounds deep low conductors at the same time can use field recovery speeds in iron, with multifreq ID actual usable numbers at depth. Oh and it's $1000 less. While the Deus was out long before the Equinox, Minelab was able to hold them at bay with the Explorer series (Safari, Etrac etc). Apples to oranges as far as machines go, however all the buyers are bananas for the Equinox. Nobody has made a competitor for the CTX yet, leaky battery and all. If the Equinox housing continues to be water tight, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Equinox 1000 with a color screen and GPS. If they would team up with Ikelite again to make a case for them like they did with the Excalibur, game over. I'm not a true prospector, but any I've seen use a Minelab of some sort. Those types of detectorist are probably the most uncompromising type of detectorist. Something that heavy and that expensive being swung out in the hot sun? It must be the best lol. These are just my opinions, however you may find that my opinions are pretty objective, IMO. ? Happy new year.

Get out there! Hey, consider putting your phone in airplane mode on the worst days. A metal detector is a EMI detecting machine, caveats and compromises if you want to clean it up. You still have the option to fix the problem, it's turning down the sensitivity. A lot of the noise is so spurious and transient that is about all you can do practically speaking. So when the water is down like that, I guess you will have acres of extra land to detect? It looks like you get a decent amount of time to detect too. It's bound to open up some low spots too hopefully, I mean it almost has to just because it is so different from the tidal pattern that usually shapes your shoreline. The only open water I'm looking at now is fairly fast moving aside from a little creek that outflows from the city dump. I'd be right in there digging, but it was diverted to this current location in the past 50 years so I don't think it would be all that productive anyway. There are nicer places for picnics. Good luck, happy new year.

That piece of old gold jewellery you found in the UK this summer was pretty sweet.

oof, nice haul!

I actually do have appreciation for relics and old coins. I'm a pretty well rounded relic hunter. IMO I wasn't out to specifically pay for my detector either, but it's worth noting that a machine I bought in August paid for itself before the snow fell without even trying. A notable benchmark. We are more alike then different, we are all looking for precious metal. I keep the "worthless" coins and relics, sell most of the gold for money. Not all of us have gold nuggets around to get excited about, so we have to work with the ground we have. Too bad you are a bit of a gold snob, ? it's all yellow to me. Some of the antique gold I have found over the years is quite nice and would be considered a relic as well in some cases. If you are thinking of skipping silver rings with American clad too, what constitutes a diggable target for you? You'd just be digging worms at that point. Why wouldn't a historical coin hunter want a gold coin? You could just as easily apply these tactics to other types of hunting, it doesn't have to be gold. I'll admit it probably goes against your grain if you are too annoyed to dig a silver ring for fear it might be an American quarter. That's insane. ? I'm a clad snob too, but the clad doesn't stay forever if you dig it. It can mask a good target just like a piece of iron.

Thank you for the correlation. That is a nice bit of unexpected data you shared with us, I am glad you still had your tabs.

Looks like a productive day.

I thought that whole pull tab thing was an urban myth that was busted a few years back. A quick google now shows it to be in full force with the same old explanations. Either way they are welcome to them if a dont make a suit of armor from them.

So I did the Xterra thing but went to FBS so that I didn't have to buy coils, it was cheaper this way. The only reason the Deus got a shot was because it was built so well and because switching single freqs with the same coil was possible. It wasn't a replacement for FBS, but it was somewhat complimentary. Reactivity is a real thing, a setting that soon would become a new part of our vocabulary. (Other machines may of had "high trash" settings etc as a form of recovery speed adjustment, but it was never displayed as a main setting with incremental adjustment until the Deus came along. I bet a lot of folks still don't have a gut feel for what reaction speed does. (reactivity)) Enter the Equinox, the great obsoletor and we all know this story. So basically, the market you are talking about was uneducated until recently. I don't know about you, but the average detectorist in my town still doesn't even know what frequency they are running. Notka/Makro/Rutus and all that other nonsense is just competing for some Deus market share. It took some time for the Deus to gain some traction, but now that it has these other companies will exploit some of the features that made the Deus great. That is why I don't care for any praise showered on them, reactionary exploitative nature. They are just trying to get as much money from you for as little effort as possible. Sure it's a valid business model, but I'm out to dig stuff for me, not put profits in some undeserving company, regardless of what country they are in. Ironically Minelab's biggest competitor is itself in some ways. They are the only company that could make something better then my Etrac and basically obsolete my Deus at the same time. US detector sales have peaked with the ATPro. Basically a ACE with a O-ring. People were buying a name, an image, like Ford or Harley. Seriously, how many people you know that turned into Grizzly Adams a few months after buying ATPro. Aqua-chigger wannabes don't care about FREQ until Garret releases a new model with an effective1500Hz noise cancel, then FREQ is everything, it's a difference between a Pro a Gold and a MAX lol. The more research you do, the less choices you have in the end really.

Yes. The rings air test at 16 and 22/24. The tab numbers are 8-20. The not shown 20% foil and larger can slaw would account for the rest. In reality I just had to fill 3-4 extra large Tim Horton's coffee cups with aluminum to get this amount of gold. What you see in the picture would fill 2 cups. Ultimately what we can take away here is that this is a numbers game that has little to do with luck. Notching any aluminum will be very detrimental to our results. Ironically in some weird way I'm grateful for the tabs, they protected the gold all this time from the lazy and stubborn lol. Makes things interesting anyway. I don't have much say on where or when the gold shows up, so I have a blanket strategy for land and sea. Try not to get too specific, like this was a slow year for land rings, but a fun fall for fine easy stuff in the water.

It is tough, I've found gold all the way up to 22. 1 or 2 is a common number for non-ring jewelry, for that reason if I had to pick a range, I guess I would dig 1 and 2. With higher number gold, you know its going to most likely be a ring. Low number gold has all the fine jewelry including chains which can still pack on the weight. More variety. If you dig 1 and 2, it can only be aluminum foil or gold jewelry. ? Pretty easy when you think about it that way. If you choose to actually disc out numbers, give yourself a bit of space so as to not clip signals 1-4 or 1-5 etc. You may even consider just flipping over to the Gold mode. Since you are digging such a narrow range of targets, multi tone is of little to no use anyway. Gold mode has that analog feel which is great for sizing and returns the fastest numbers when the horseshoe is depressed. After that it's just a numbers game, turn and burn. More foil = more gold.

This is a pat myself on the back kind of thread. Here is the bulk of my aluminum shown with this seasons gold. Just over an ounce. What isn't shown is a bit of larger can slaw and smaller foil, but rest assured there wasn't that much more, call it 20% higher target count if you want. This represents positive ID gold signals, the easy ones you shouldn't be leaving. My nephew wants to collect tabs and beaver tails, which is the reason I have them still this year. No doubt I threw out a couple modern tabs early in the season, however I reluctantly agreed to collect those too. lol Tonight I thought it would be interesting to see how much aluminum I dug to get that gold. These gold targets ranged from 1-22 TID. Only dig nickles? You fool! So what do you think? Is that a lot of aluminum? Are you sure? Think about it, I bet you've dug way more pennies than this just to see a silver coin make an appearance. Would you rather another silver dime or have your Equinox paid for? Advice is a hard thing to take, if it's common knowledge it probably wont help you find much. Remember 10% of the people get 90% of the goods. That means the other 90% are sharing the 10% left behind. One group is relying on statistics and probability while the other relies on pure luck. Don't notch aluminum, you must close your eyes and drink from the hose. Yes I'm on a high horse, I get double digit gold every year from this little town while most of my peers get nothing. NOTHING EVER. They have lots of advice and complaints and reasons to notch numbers. So proud to talk clad counts. These people don't work either, myself I'm gone 50-60 hours a week. I love aluminum, whats the matter with you people! This Equinox smacks gold like FBS smacks silver. Pay a stranger $5 to kick you in the ass if you need to. Happy New Year, Alluminati rules.

Nice one.

My Etrac was really hot on chatty days at a particular site, so much so that I did not want to perform a noise cancel. This is anecdotal at best, but there could be something to it, the one night I recall getting 4-6 good targets, (Silver coins, musket balls large cents etc.) this was after pounding the site for a good year previously. These wern't great shallow targets that appeared out of no-where, rather deep fringe targets that gave off questionable, yet positive non-ferrous ID. These targets would disappear if you tried to clean the machine up much. (Or tune out the EMI at that particular site it seems.)

Good evening.

I love that blue silver.

Chase if I may, at least the way I picture it. The 2 halves of the coil are tuned so that they null out. If one half is oscillating at 10kHz, the second half is receiving @10kHz (effectively for this discussion) When you introduce a coin into the field, the coin has to wind up it's induction like a small fly wheel. This slight delay causes the signal to phase shift meaning the coin is not broadcasting in sync with the transmit side of the machine, it's delayed. That is what the machine is measuring. The machine says hey, this 10kHz is a little bit behind the 10kHz transmit signal. The amount that the signal is delayed equates to the amount of phase shift. This phase "angle" is part of how the discrimination works. (A full 360° phase shift would have the peaks and troughs of the signal line up again, just the receive side is one hump behind the transmit side. "Group delay" at that point I think.) In reality the receive side probably has a couple other phase de modulators, perhaps 90° apart to garner it's info. It probably accounts for permeability, angular freq and conductivity to come up with a number.

Fourier is so powerful, you could even extrapolate a picture from it. Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds0cmAV-Yek

Just to add some confusions, I was trying to avoid us going round in circles, so I thought I would verify those square waves posted in the other thread, however those square waves posted in El Nino link different then my results. A nice flat square wave like thosev would imply true multifreq something or other because that is how square waves are made, by combining a harmonic series of sinusoidal waves until their peaks emulate a flat top. Conversely Fourier transform can be used to deconstruct a square wave into it's constituent single frequencies. That Carl guy ? said that these run in the freq domain so Fourier very well be used. IMO. All detect modes are kinda 7.76 kHz average effect on target excitation I feel when using multifreq. If I screw with the knobs on this thing I have saw evidence of 6,9 and 25kHz fwiw, but probably best to ignore this for the time being. With the exception of Field1/2, I don't see much "weighting" at the coil, it could be done on the receive side. Field 2 is interesting, it kinda looks like a squarish wave, like a ghost with the right shoulder constantly moving up and down, while the ghost beside it has it's left shoulder moving up and down. Beach mode does not have much of a sawtooth, almost sinusoidal looking, but it too has a little bit of the dancing shoulders. IMO this dancing might imply some mild shifting of frequencies going on. I recall older FBS/BBS machines being steady images. Actually when you look at the results of a Fourier on a square wave you get a result that looks just like the Equinox scope trace when you superimpose and center them at the crossover point. I guess regardless of how crude the "square" wave is on the transmit end, this doesn't restrict the harmonic information you can receive from the target and ground. I think that is why Minelab is always talking about subtraction, or channels. I hope this ads to the confusion and disinformation. Myself, I have seen enough, it's clearly voo-doo that makes this thing work.

Phrunt, it's a play on words with regards to hot rocks. No real offense intended. ?