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I am very impressed with the High trash setting, and am trying to figure out how it is weighted you would think it had low sensitivity and high discrimination therefore would lead to less dept and more iron masking in thick iron areas at homesites but it actually performs to the contrary of my expectations. it goes very deep up to 12 inches and the discrimation level dose not interfere with separating iron from small non ferrous items I was using my equinox in all metal mode and my friend had his MX Sport high trash mode, we where at a colonial homesite, he has getting mixed signal of iron and a high tone and number he dug 5 big hand made square nails up to 6", and was still getting the good signal , when i cam over with the equinox in multi frequency all I was getting was iron, minus signals, with a flash of 11 but no enough to want to dig, and I predicted it was probably a false from a bent nail he kept going and eventually t 10" deep amongst more nails he pulled a penny My equinox never sensed this coin, yet high trash on single frequency spotted it at the onset and stuck to it like glue until it was finally retrieved. I would love to know the set up and weighting behind this mode some i could apply some to my equinox.

if you got it just wondering if 52" will cover 15" coil attached ( detector should be 51") , also can you use it as backpack with handle son on one or two shoulders thanks

Thank you so much for all this, a lot of time and work much appreciated I will run each scenarios over the hunted out site and see what happens

Thats what others have done to great success, I have resisted on the principal that the manufacturer has to address it, but I want to find stuff so I plan to do it this weekend with current upgrade on Tuesday went back to my hunted out (11" coil) site and went over it using all the tips and tricks etc that this forum advised, with no luck. this was one of the sites I mentioned earlier "I did upgrade and had about 30% left on each of the 2 sites and BLANK, just sold nail signals," the next step is to roll back and do it again and see what it produces if it picks up where I left off prior to upgrade then it proves the problem exists, my friend just did it and said "Yeah it was pretty bad. I would say ~75% of my high tones were iron in all shapes and sizes. I almost sold my 6" coil, but decided to try rolling the software back first. After that, the 6" works great."

Steve thank you for this forum, and all you insight, it is a great help

Thank you so much, I will gladly respond, your posts are always very in-depth and I learn a lot from them here is my current set up am running Field 2, 5 tones , recovery speed 6/7, no iron bias and all metal on sens 20 I drop sensitivity to 15 and go over again When referring Iron, I am talking about primally Nails at colonial cellar holes when I get a good tone or VDI mixed with iron I interrogate changing to 5/10/15 khz, if the signal still holds hope, I test it in gold mode and pin pointer and watch the VDI and if positive number rings longer and consistent I dig, I check consistency from multi direction with all of above (for more and better information I do have to venture into 50 tones, but haven't yet) I have a lso tested some pointers i got from this discussion on 2 new nail invested sites i had searched before, but unfortunately no encouraging news so far I know it is site specific, and also depends of course on what is in the ground, but after the update it stop sifting through nails and finding items, I am also aware it is no walk in the park and iron masking and metal detecting technology to-date is limited I had great success with coil at a the start, I could not believe how it delivered on hunted out sites exactly as promised, I had 2 sites I was working back over with 6" and each day on each site was better than the next, I did upgrade and had about 30% left on each of the 2 sites and BLANK, just sold nail signals, and an increase in large iron objects which was a good thing that included axes and colonial Cutlery etc. that did not ring previously. I still take it out at every nail invested site and Since upgrade had no success whatsoever cherry picking, it was as if part of the machine went missing. Rolling back seems the best solution, but finding a silver half dollar 1905 on edge at 16" on the side wall of the plug hole cant be ignored with my 11" on an area I had check 4 times before in both park and field mode I posted on Treasurenet and did a search and noticed others where posting about the exact same issue, I have invited them to share there experiences on this forum , but the ignorance here has turned them off I had to stop posting on this site because of the ignorance, and defensive tone from some users, if you read my responses I was very interested in what everybody had to say, I never disagreed with anybody just lost patience when people did not read my initial question and started ranting about other things , just got turned off when I was being attacked by people who did not want to accept Me and others where having genuine problem. The engineers have taken a great interest in resolving this, despite what people said about how wrong it was to go to them, I have a saying"the squeaky wheel gets the oil" I don't put anybody on a pedestal and if I am a paying customer I feel the right to point out flaws to make the experience better for all users, and will continue to do so. I don't care about there time being wasted, and they didn't neither, when I seen others experiencing the same issue, and not me alone it was time to report. I just want a better machine for us all , which is more important, rather than mulling around saying nothing and being miserable. As this is about a specific issue that I want to stay focused on Moving forward I am not reading or responding to anything except good advice, and past experiences I can feed to engineers that don't involve ignorance or off topic nonsense

"please post your experiences here, if you've experienced bad 2 directional falses after upgrade with 6" coil in Iron

great thank you, good to know

can you not read what i originally wrote "I am running Field 2, 5 tones , recovery speed 6/7, no iron bias and all metal on sens 20 I drop sensitivity to 15 and go over again" again stay focused and read the question in my original post , also regarding being right or wrong as i have previous posted and you did not read? so stay focused and read all posts in detail Clarification This discussion is not about who is right or wrong, or if you are not experiencing it it cannot exist I simply said "please post your experiences here, if you've experienced bad 2 directional falses after upgrade with 6" coil in Iron as I want to pass it on to them, I appreciate all the advice and reading others experiences, Lets stay focused, The discussion on Dectector technology and Iron in general or users expecting a free luch is not this discussion its great that some people are not experiencing , but some people are, but it would be no reason not to buy coil here area list of comments from other forums from people having similar issues:

who had a problem with original factory setting, can you go back read original posts if your not reading properly no wonder your upset, its great others are not having a problem, and also great you don't want to believe others are, its a nice day out and I have better things to like swinging my machine as i am not interested only if you are having problem

yes its not working for me and others , whats your point in relation to the inital question at the start of this discussion , you said you haven't used yours much so when you do let us know if its fine, hopefully it is Thanks

Clarification This discussion is not about who is right or wrong, or if you are not experiencing it it cannot exist I simply said "please post your experiences here, if you've experienced bad 2 directional falses after upgrade with 6" coil in Ironas I want to pass it on to them, I appreciate all the advice and reading others experiences, Lets stay focused, The discussion on Dectector technology and Iron in general or users expecting a free luch is not this discussion its great that some people are not experiencing , but some people are, but it would be no reason not to buy coil here area list of comments from other forums from people having similar issues: User 1 The promise of the 6" coil seeing through nails was true, I experienced it myself first hand on sites i already cleaned out with 11" coil, but the upgrade turned the now obsolete 6" into an Iron lover User 2 I've found some nice silver with the 6", but I can't handle the constant nail falsing. Iron Bias or not, it happens too frequently with it. So I had to ask myself, what am I really gaining with the 6"? The only positive for me is the phenomenally light weight and balance. All else, the stock coil seems to separate near equally when adjustments are made to recovery and swing speed. Also, I have to swing twice as much to cover the same ground with the 6. So I've decided to ditch the 6". I wanted to like the coil so badly, but it's been mostly a $180 nail finder for me. YMMV. User 3 pre upgrade I found the 6" great when I got it on Iron filled colonial cellar sites , I had already hunted out with 11" it did as it promised find smaller good items amongst iron that I did not detect with multiple visits with 11" in many different modes and settings now after the upgrade, it falses badly on iron and sequels high pitched loudly only big iron I seriously thinking of reversing the up-grade before using 6" on a site I hunted out with 11" and then loading up grade when starting at a new site with 11" User 4 Roll it back! I experienced the same with the update, that the 6" falsing was to the point of absurdity. It would also high-tone on moderately mineralized rocks. Rolling it back cut the 6" iron falsing down and eliminated the rock falses completely, but it still falses on nails too frequently here in my ground. I think I mentioned it elsewhere, but it's almost like the 6" coil needs its own dedicated program. Not sure that is possible, but one can wish. User 5 Not sure what they did with the upgrade other than fix the obvious issues, but we need another version to cure these iron problems we are now having. User 6 I sold mine, it worked great pre upgrade, Now its useless, falses, even when I go over signal from multi directions signal is solid, I dig and it’s a nail User 7 Thanks I agree , it would be nice to have a dedicated program for 6" with upgrade as I am very happy with 11" after upgrade, 11" definitely sharper especially when you run back over a spot you've hunted at low recovery and high sensitivity swinging slowly the smalls pop sort of acts like a 6" should User 8 I'm having a love/hate relationship with the 6" coil at the moment. I love that it is a deep laser beam, but hate that my nails have increased dramatically. I've tried to mitigate this with iron bias, sens, balance, and all other settings, but there's just no way around it. I'm being very picky too, but these are solid, consistent, repeatable VIDS in all directions... I've had my Nox since February and use it regularly, so I know my machine very well. It's enough of an annoyance that I am replacing my ProPointer with a Profind 35 in hopes of taking advantage of the pinpointer's iron disc. Otherwise, curious to hear other's experiences in regards to the 6" and nails. User 9 I have the current update and only used the 6" once pre-update, and didn't dig any nails on that pre-update outing. I'm wondering if the update has made the 6" a nail magnet. The weird thing is that the nails I'm digging aren't just your typical falsing nails (bent 90's, square head, etc). They are ALL types including small 1" straight pieces. I am mostly a park1 one hunter, but have tested it across all park/field modes. User 10 Bummer. Not sure I will keep it in the long run. I dunno. I went from digging 1 or 2 nails per hunt with the stock to ~25% nails with the 6". It's almost absurd, really, but I love the weight, balance, and depth. User 11 The other new annoyance of the 6" is that it hits certain hot rocks as good high tones at my salt beaches. GB or not. Luckily they have a very short/crisp tone so I can usually tell. But it slows me down. Stock coil never did that. User 12 It's almost like the 6" coil needs its own dedicated program, tailored for its size. Not sure that would ever happen, but maybe another update will resolve the crazy falsing. User 13 Yes , sold my 6 inch coil. Gonna try another brand with a small coil to fit that part of my detecting. Thought I had it covered with the Nox 11 ,6 and Deus 9 hf coils but the 6 was disappointment after upgrade . User1 Yes, the 6" with update is horrendous on two-way iron falsing, in my experiences. The falsing is so convincing of a good target that it is impossible to ignore. It also gives crisp high tones on hotter rocks at the beach that sound like small silver. I couldn't find any way around it, so I rolled the software back and haven't looked back. The 6" with the stock software is killer. Yeah, the depth meter is iffy, but after 9 months of using this machine, I've learned to listen for depth vs staring at the meter. Yeah, I might miss a large silver sitting perfectly 90 degrees vertically, but I'm ok with that. I'm having my best year ever using the stock software with both 11" and 6" coils. Roll it back, my dude. User 2 As an engineer, I love the science behind this theory, but since I have two Equinoxes, I have purposely kept one dialed back to the original firmware for comparison purposes and while I have not had a chance to do exhaustive, controlled A to B comparisons, I have observed the falsing (or should I say high tone ferrous affinity) associated with the small coil and even the stock coil to be relatively slightly more pronounced with the post upgrade machine vs. pre upgrade at the same site under the same environmental conditions. Again not scientific, I did not walk around my iron field site carrying two detectors at the same time, just observed switching off between the two over the course of back to back multi-day hunts at the same sites and my qualitative observations. The effect you describe, however, is real and affects ground noise feedback, ground phase variability, and the ground balance tracking algorithm, as well. The enhanced halo effect in moist ground can definitely result in more falsing overall, but there is something definitely different in the way Equinox responds in this regard post upgrade. Frankly, overall I have not seen anything that tangibly compels me to go solely with either the post or pre upgrade firmware versions. I like that the known User Profile reset bug has been addressed in the update and low profile, high mass, high conductive coin target ID (aka as the quarter on edge issue) response has been improved but perhaps with the subtle downside of falsing being introduced, but I don't think they "broke" anything. To me, the upgrade is kind of a move sideways from a performance standpoint rather than a full on improvement. Perhaps that is a function of the Equinox performance being pretty damn good and dialed-in out of the gate, so all ML can do with SW performance tweaks is nibble around the edges which just results tradeoffs while fixing fringe "issues" like this low probability on-edge coin thing and depth meter performance which is inherently unreliable outside of dime sized targets, anyway. Regardless, looking forward to the next upgrade.

Congratulations, thats exactly how it worked for me before up dating Firmware, I was delighted that it did as promised and found items missed after multiple visits with different settings with my 11" coil, As the focus of this discussion is seeing who has noticed a difference after firmware let me know if you up grade and see if it all changes, it appears some people are fine and some have really seen a difference, I will post comments from another forum also I know another user sold his due to the same problem I am having Keep up the good work

Byran well done, I happy you haven't experienced what me and other are going through

Very good point, and if you buy a wireless set up for MX sport your paying close to Equinox 800 with headphones and all the benefits of new tecnology