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3 minutes ago, Cal_Cobra said:

If they updated the V3i, in a lighter, waterproof AT format it would be a contender IMHO. 

How's its recovery speed? Is it better in trash than the E-Trac?

7 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said:

Garrett likely knows more about what is going on inside Garrett than Minelab does. 

That makes sense, and I agree.

15 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said:

I'd rather hear what Garrett has to say about their own products than what Minelab has to say about Garrett's products.  Fox reporting on the henhouse....

So your'e saying the CEO* knowingly lied about Minelab's view of Garrett's ability to produce SMF hobby detectors?

Or are you saying the CEO of Minelab is confused or ignorant about Garrett's progress in making a SMF detector that can compete with Minelab's MIQ machines?

I'm not saying the CEO is right (although I believe the CEO is), but I don't think the CEO would make such bold statements unless he/she had a pretty good basis for making them.

* It's my understanding that it was the CEO that made the statement's we're discussing right now.

6 hours ago, Cal_Cobra said:

I think we saw Garrett come out with a product to respond to the VANQUISH and they quickly almost withdrawn it from the market to rehash it because it just hasn't been successful. So people are now panicking. I think they're trying to do things with their products that the architecture of the design just won't allow. So we've taken comparative products in-house. We've looked at their intents at multifrequency, and quite frankly, the physics don't stack up. So they would have to go and completely reengineer their platforms in order to compete with products like EQUINOX and VANQUISH, which we don't expect them to be able to do. So we've kind of got them on the run, Ronan.

Assuming this is true, then the "AT Apex" is probably several years away...

Wow...

Is there a reason you can't buy a 3D printed coil stiffener?

As for whether it's worth it, hard to say. I haven't heard any consistent reports of coil ears being a problem on Vanquish coils. But that doesn't mean stiffening isn't necessary.

If you think you can do it with "regular" epoxy, I say go for it. The worst that'll happen is you waste epoxy and add some weight to the coil. Or am I missing something?

On 2/2/2022 at 11:48 AM, longbow62 said:

Minelab has been awful quite lately. No Equinox software updates either.

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We could see something from Minelab soon...perhaps an update for the Equinox.

45 minutes ago, Cancelled Airline Guy said:

I really like the idea of a de-clutter option for the main screen. Even an option to choose your own options to be shown in de-clutter mode. Push once for full information and once for de-clutter mode. 

Exactly, kind of like how Minelab did it with the E-Trac where you could press the Detect button to toggle b/w the Pattern Screen and the Digital Screen.

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On 1/31/2022 at 9:08 PM, Joe Beechnut OBN said:

Think I found the correct fitting, see how well the bulkhead fitting I have coming works. If it works fine this fitting would be the one that is used to plug the bonephones into.. 

If it turns out that XP's BH-01 bone conducting headphones need more than a simple adapter to work with other machines due to the power supply issue, do you think it's feasible to create some sort of external battery pack to provide that power? It's not an ideal solution, but for us land hunters who want bone conducting headphones, this is the only reasonable option I've been able to find:

https://www.amazon.com/AfterShokz-Titanium-Conduction-Headphones-AS401XB/dp/B01N2OOJY8

And from what I can see, it's been discontinued. This also makes use of an external battery pack to supply the power needed to operate the special headphones.

Also, is it possible that certain 1/8 heaphone jacks could supply more power than others such that an external power supply isn't required? 

From my understanding, as long as the JB weld doesn't move or shift, you should be fine. And if it does move or shift, you've got more problems than your coil getting confused by the JB Weld.

Think about it, the cord from the coil has metal in it, right? And you're supposed to wrap it around the shaft in such a way that it doesn't move or shift while you swing your detector.

56 minutes ago, Badger-NH said:

Wheat pennies were pretty common in pocket change during the '80s/'90s.

Not from my childhood days. I always looked at coins growing up (in the 80s and 90s) and I found a wheat "in the wild" just once. Also found a silver coin (quarter) just once, too.

Nice haul!

Now go bake some bread!

Companies don't necessarily have to come out with new, groundbreaking tech. They can still hit a "homerun" if they implement existing tech in an effective way.

I think the iPod is a great example. When it came out, nothing about its tech was really that new. HDDs, Firewire, LCD screens, etc. had existed for a while. But Apple effectively combined all of those technologies into a device that revolutionized the music industry and entertainment.

So imagine Garrett comes out with the "AT Apex" where it's a SMF VLF detector that performs about as well as the Equinox (and Legend?), but comes in a form factor that's as robust and reliable as the current AT series. Assuming they priced it competitively, they'd have a real winner...and I'd look for ways to trade in my Equinox 600 for that machine.

Not saying it would pass the Deus II, Legend, Equinox, etc. in terms of profitability. But it would sell plenty of units!

What kind of bottle caps are in the 16-17 range? Mine (screw or crown) are usually in the low to mid 20s.

Or is the salty sand having an effect here?

Great initial review, Erik, loved reading it!

Yes, performance is the primary factor. But sometimes, "the little things" can make a big difference for at least some users. There are plenty of reviews looking at how the Deus II does against the Equinox (or how it performs in general), so it's nice to see a review from a different perspective.

I remember when I was comparing colleges to attend, I placed a great amount of emphasis on the cafeteria/food services (great is a relative term in that I put some emphasis on it while most of my classmates couldn't' care less). Logically, it shouldn't matter. But I always felt that how a school feeds its students is just one indirect way to judge how they'll treat their students in other respects, like...education.

55 minutes ago, DOOGY-MD said:

That being the case, then the ultimate weapon would be a waterproof pulse induction w/discrimination, VDI, notching, v- break, tone variety and a elliptical concentric coil?

Not really, b/c DD coils have their benefits, such as in high trash areas and highly mineralized soil.

Also, I think elliptical coils sometimes get less depth than their more round counterparts (but have the same height).

54 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

You lost me.  If a concentric averages that's really not much different than masking.  

If two different targets are detected by a concentric coil (like a nail and clad coin), the signals of each could be averaged. 

So let's say you've got your discrimination set up so only iron is eliminated. Then a concentric coil passes over a modern coin next to an iron nail. Assuming the machine/coil can't separate them, you might still get a signal from your machine telling you there's a target under the coil. But this signal will probably be some sort of average or blend of the nail and coin signals.

If a DD coil passes over those same 2 targets, AND the DD coil and machine can't separate them (and only iron is discriminated out), then you might get no signal from your machine.

This is why my Tesoros (with their concentrics) matched, if not exceeed my Equinox 600 when run with my modified Monte's Nail Board test.

14 minutes ago, DOOGY-MD said:

Question to the Forum:

Can you miss more targets with a DD than a concentric coil, at the same reachable ground depths (say, 0-5")?

From my understanding, the answer is yes. Concentrics will sometimes "average" two signals (such as an iron nail and a coin) while a DD coil could miss both due to iron masking and insufficient recovery speed and/or target separation.

1 minute ago, cudamark said:

Unfortunately, I think they're just the stewardesses.....

Hey, don't be mean to flight attendants...

Thanks for the great post; definitely learned a lot. 👏

36 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

From all I've read it easily commands the ridiculous used prices.

You are correct. If you're lucky, you can find one on eBay for $130 to $160. But they often go for higher prices, well over $200.

6 minutes ago, phrunt said:

If you sit down and read the warranty terms and conditions of just about any product there is a range of clauses that make them able to avoid doing warranty on just about any fault, take this segment from the Coiltek coils warranty terms and conditions.

" This warranty covers any manufacturing errors like cracks in plastics or performance issues like no response which are from manufacturing faults – usually these are noticeable within the first few hours of use. The warranty does not cover normal use or misuse of the product. For a coil/product to continue to perform well it must be treated with care and not be used in a way that will jar or incur any sudden impact. This sudden impact may result in developing a noisy product. CTM, at its sole discretion, will determine the nature of the returned item and decide whether it is a warranty issue. Each individual case will be reviewed on its own merits "

If they wanted to virtually any coil can have its warranty void by that one paragraph.  The warranty doesn't even cover normal use 🙂

Now this isn't saying Coiltek do a bad warranty, they likely do a good warranty as they're a reputable company, but their warranty terms and conditions would indicate they will never replace a faulty coil unless its DOA.

I am sure XP is not going to void genuine leaks at no fault to the user, they just don't seem that type of business.

But there's a difference between putting in language to create wiggle room for a company to deny what they think is a meritless warranty claim, and putting in language that seemingly excludes an otherwise covered loss.

If you sell a waterproof device and give it a warranty, yet one of the exclusions of the warranty is water damage, it kinda makes you scratch your head.

Instead of saying, "Corrosion of electronic circuits, due to water ingress" XP could have said, "water damage of electronic circuits that are the result of improper use." This gives them plenty of wiggle room to protect them from claims that they suspect are due to misuse (like taking the Deus II deeper than it's supposed to go or forgetting to insert the red plug when going SCUBA diving). But it also makes it clear that if there's a leakage due to a reason that's not the fault of the user, it'll most likely be covered.

My guess is that there was something lost in translation and/or there are other applicable laws that apply to EU member states that don't apply in the US.

42 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I've never seen anything to make me think XP is anything but a class act.

I haven't either. 

25 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

All warranties have exclusions, and cover manufacturer defects in manufacturing, not wear and tear, or abuse.

Agreed. But assuming you and Chase are correct (and I believe you two are), why weren't the warranty exclusions written more precisely? It would have required more than an extra sentence or two to better convey how the exclusions worked.

5 hours ago, Flydog said:

• Corrosion of electronic circuits, due to water ingress

I'm wondering if the word "corrosion" is used to indicate that the water intrusion was an ongoing occurrence or that the owner of the Deus II waited a too long to send their unit in for repairs after first noticing the water intrusion.