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  1. In some manufacturers theory, regarding heat build up somehow affecting performance in a minute way. But I simply don't buy into it. There would have to be a way the electronic boys measured the difference by the use of some sort of a special heatabsorbshonthingamagiggy I guess Bamboo. But I've never noticed the difference on a 48 degree day, on either performance or even the touch of heat difference between a white and black coil. I only dislike white coils due to glare from sun or torch. And the way they cream-up in a dirty looking way after they age a bit, that's all.
  2. Love the ergonomics on that straight shaft. Three freq, beaut coil range and black coils. This is their Flagship for sure. They earnt it.
  3. So there definitely was one printed, thanks to Norvic and the hoarder Nenad. Gee you would seen, read and handled heaps of manuals and old machines and componantry in your time there Nenad. Just found out the 9000 had an instruction manual printed too. Be interesting to read the wordage used to explain the auto-tuning/non motion when a manual is finally found.
  4. Back in early days the GG&T mag had a different name, aimed at the rockhounds and sapphire/opal diggers. There was a card size and larger adds for the 9000 and 12000 in them then. Minelab acquired the Magazine late 80's early 90's.
  5. Definitely Norvic. Be good to actually read one, and see how they set it out back then, for sure. Hey ...did you ever work a Dual Ace, green box twin freq 8kHz and 20kHz manual balance without a tone dial, around the same time you were using the GT 16000? No tone control on either unit, but the tone of the threshold was set at the exact point of best response length to deep threshold dropouts for the average human ear. And both those units and the entire platform (changing of course when the 17000's got a tone control point on them) had the exact same sound, and most ran the tone of the later models precisely where they were pre-set on the early units. Very clever for the engineers at the time.
  6. The 12000 was the second unit made by a newly formed very small company named Goldseekers Electronics in South Australia. The first unit made was the 9000. Have you got the 8" or so coil with it?(I never measured the exact size) The 3D refers to the three operating modes, all metal manual tuning, all metal auto tuning, and discrimination. Like most detectors that were decent, they have a place for collecting, even for use if the alloy's inside haven't suffered corrosion or the brittle coil leads haven't degraded. I never received a manual when I bought them new, merely a Thankyou letter and a quick run down of each function on a single page. They may have printed a short users manual near the end of production, but I have never sighted one or ever heard about one. You'll notice the functions on the unit are the same functions on the top range American detectors at that time, very early 80's. This was no mistake of course, as they had to start somewhere. The 12000's handled themselves as well as any other unit at that time, although the ground balance wandered badly, and the re-tune was only passable...but most 'gold detectors' did then. With the range of coil sizes available on the Garretts especially, the 12000's lacked that extra advantage. The blue Whites that were being modded for gold work, and the mods done to the Garretts, left the 12000 behind a touch. The 12000 was an excellent coin hunter just working off the tone, isolate and size a target. But the discrimination was below par in comparison to the American detectors. The advancement came when the Goldseekers Electronics company received an injection of funds and became Minelab. Then the following unit was the 15000 Goldseekers made in a few variants, and handled hot ironstone ground better than any other detectors and carried a smoother ground balance. Much improved. The 15000 went through a few component changes and handle button was replaced with a flatter rubber protective push button. If you are collecting or using these, stay away from blue box models named 15000 IC, as these were horribly correlated with a rotten ground balance. They were made for distribution through a hardware/market chain in SA at the time, and corners were cut.
  7. Yeah but that's square yardage of metal under the sun, not a pound of plastic and gell. Then again, you probably would have had four hot sheila's in the car with you John...
  8. Yep, heard that about the white/black coil thing. Just never bought into it. I thought it'd be so miniscule even over extended periods of use. Then again, Rohan popped the air-release button on the new range of Evo's so there's gotta be something in it. No glare under sunlight/torch with the darker shade coils...and they clean down better when you detail the unit. Although most guys wouldn't knock the dust off in the lifetime of the coil/detector.
  9. You'll get no argument from me regarding black. I can't believe white coils are still made by anyone.
  10. Yeah, I might wear a Camo backpack for water cartage, food and extra battery ect. But would never wear Camo. Dropped into a shop selling the latest Camo range put out by a New Zealand mob. The entire range of backpacks, boots and clothes was a terrible matrix computer spotted type camo. The guy says Sambar deer look straight though it and it's the go for all deer hunters. Now every maker is trying to copy the camo type.
  11. Yeah I hope they keep producing them in the Camo and stop calling them LTD. A lot of guys don't like the Camo, but I reckon it's swift. I think Steve likes the stock standard silver. My first F19 was camo, lovely Maple type. Had to sell it quickly due to hernia surgery. As soon as I could walk I ordered another, and said to the guy Camo please but not pink, repeat not pink, NOT pink!
  12. Hi Terry. Don was talking about the AU Goldfinder by Nokta. Distibuted by KellyCo only. I'm still waiting for mine, having major troubles with any of our dealers not even knowing if Australia will be supplied yet. Looks like mine will have to come via California. In the same high kHz as the Makro Gold Racer, but without the display. More like our old-school gold units with dials, no display apart from a red light, green light for non-ferrous, and can be hipmounted (coils both stock and accessory will come with longer than normal coil leads) and still carry the same improvements the Gold Racer has ie: an intelligent SAT speed correlation to help keep it stable on hotter ground, a beaut function for us when run in conjunction with the gain setting. Just Google Nokta AUGoldfinder and you should find the specs... and be able to download the user manual, which they've done a good job on all their user manuals now. The G2+ you are referring to are a beaut detector. It's the Teknetics version of the Fisher F19 only it has a pistol grip shaft so many including myself say it's far more ergonomic than the F19. They come in the best Camo I've ever seen on a detector. But they may have stopped that now...you can still get Camo stock of F19's and G2+'s, depending on earlier dealer stock. They are essentially the same detector, but some say there is a slight difference in the setting of the Iron segment ranges, I wouldn't know because I don't need or use any type of disc when detecting with them and run them all metal all the time. The G+ you'll notice on a lot of threads is merely the quick nickname given to the new Nokta Fors Gold+ (plus).
  13. Yeah the ground balance system is quite queer John. But we see that type of balance system placed on a lot of detectors now. Not a true balance system at all me thinks. The further clockwise you go the shallower a unit operates in, even though it settles the machine down to handle bad ground better there seems to be a big problem in performance.
  14. I were always keen in trying the Goldmaxx Rick. No dealers here, so I got in contact with a friend in the UK, and sent him a couple of new XTerra's and a few coils (apparently at the time XTerra's were very expensive there) and he bought a new Goldmaxx and posted it over for me. He was a huge fan of them, for the purpose they were made for, and attended your rally's there and said nearly all were using them. Went so far to call himself a 'GMaxx nut. Now like you and many others I guess he's a 'Deus nut. Not my words, his, and no offence meant of course. If I were living and detecting there I'd be a Deus user too.
  15. Big Jim... There's been a few units in the Goldmaxx line-up. The current Power on the same type of Deus shaft. Can be easily hip mounted with enough coil lead to reach. Mounted under the armrest they are in danger of cracking the box on a rock. Not much of a problem on the plowed fields of Europe. The XP mob clearly state that one of the uses of these units is for nuggets while prospecting....so bad luck for them, they shouldn't have been so bold. As you know any detector made can hit a gold nugget in the field, within reason. But these detectors were primarily made in 18kHz to hunt low conductors amongst iron on European soil. Human caused heavy iron laden ground is what the French called mineralized soil. Not the same as mineralized ground we get in gold country. In which the XP's handle very badly. The units do not carry a true all metal mode, the mode XP call all-metal is a dicriminitive tone mode. They carry no true threshold either. They may have applications on mullock/tailing piles, but they hold no advantage in disc or depth over literally dozens of other VLF units. Even in air tests (which I only ever do for Audio match up on phones/buds) they are not impressive, and the units themselves carry a harsh high tonage. They cost an arm and a leg, and unless you find a use it will excel in, you'll be selling it for half price as I did.
  16. Hey Tom...did you help put the clip together, or the guys thanked at the end, Bob and John I think it was? Anyway, a hell of a good way to start the morning, well done!
  17. haha.. good one! Actually a really good promo. More thought went into this than a lot of manufacturers promo's.
  18. Have you got another coil to pop on and try apart from the stock all pro coil Eklawok? It's not user error unless you're dropping it into prospecting mode and the SAT speed is too low causing faint threshold response depending on threshold level.
  19. It'll be extremely interesting how/if both the large Detech and bigfoot coil will gell to the unit. Especially the Detech in Prospecting Mode. I feel I get far too critical with a unit in overall performance. But I just may find the Sport has a couple of specific applications for me in the end, if the adaptor mod ends up being nice and true.
  20. I notice one of the guys seems to think the eclipse coil he's tried works fine via the adaptor on air tests inside. And another is set to try out the 6"x4" soon. Going to be interesting to see if all performs well in normal in real world detecting. We all know what happens when some manufacturers are in denial....
  21. Yeah I'm not a fan of dip/rise shafts. Hate the CoRe's trigger handle. Took a while for me to get used to dip/rise shafts with the XTerra's, but I love em on those units now. But they have the weight above your handgrip to coil and are very light on the back end. But I hate s/rods too. And sadly Whites put every unit I like in their range on horrible un-ergonomic shafts (for me). With floppy armrests too boot. I have to remount them on straight shafts with different armrests. Love using xterra armrests and the newer Fisher/Tek rests on those projects.
  22. Nah pretty sure that's what Don said on that particular test Shasta. (I can't quite remember his username, it's on one of the AU threads) Hard to believe when I first read it too, nice size for an F19 to bang out on. I've hit one at just under 3 grams a touch deeper than that on crazy ground, ground grabbing every step...But the misses certainly can happen on some ground types. Just not sure if testing was done on undisturbed dirt or not. But he did say it was quite hot ground. I'll see if I can find his post and quote it more clearly. Ah, here it is, couldn't work out how to copy/past thread, so if it's okay with Don (Don71) I'll just copy and quote him. ** The other detector was the Fisher F19 which is supposed to be the Gold Bug Pro with notching, backlight, and other features added. I had the Gold Bug Pro before the F19 but sold it. I was suprised when the F19 couldn't see a 5 gram nugget at 5 inches in high mineral soil but the Goldfinder could. The F19 just barely grunted an iron signal in disc and in "all metal" it was lost in the background noise of the ground. The Goldfinder correctly identified the target as non-ferrous but only with iMask set at 1 or 2. In "all metal" it was an obvious signal. I do hear the Goldfinder making pops and clicks at high sensitivity. Also, if you turn down the disc below 10, it starts picking up a little more interference. I turned down the disc to see if there was any iron signal in a high tone, if there was some low tone, it was usually a junk target. This area is very tough on VLF detectors. -Don **
  23. Well I think the original Fors Gold and CoRe will have been discontinued now the Gold+ and Relic have become the more refined units. Though there's till a few new ones from dealers trying to offload the early range at a cheaper price. Yeah the line up became confusing early on John, that's for sure ...they certainly moved extremely quick in re-defining the range, but when you have an individual units capabilities matched up against any weakness it may have for you within a certain area or use, in line with the other models, it makes it very easy to jump on one specific detector. An example is the AUGoldfinder. I want it's dials and especially that ground balance dial exactly in the centre spot it is so I can ride the balance, set up directly in front of the handgrip on a straight shaft. It's the ergonomic alternative to the Gold Racer for me, as I'll be using it for gold detecting only with a large coil. Without that AU choice, I'd have chosen the Gold Racer. Great to be able to have choices.
  24. Ahh of course ....the adaptors to run MXT coils takes care of the small concentics.
  25. I'd go for the 9.5"concentric for bullets/buttons and trashy house sites myself. They isolate better than a 10" blade and the disc tone will be fuller. Much deeper too. But everyone's different, some would jump on the 10x6 quick smart. Can't believe there's not a 6"concentric yet. Maybe that's in the works?
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