Dave63

G'Day All

I would like to clear up a couple of things about my QED experience. As some people are  using this as an example as to not buy QED. 

The QED was my first ever detector purchase, so my knowledge on the working of detectors was zero. True my experience didn't start to well as you have all read. My luck I got a bad coil and if I was an experience user I probably would have worked this out very early. Therefore most of my problems would not have even  happened. I did finally work this out with help from people help on forums (By the way this is why we post is it not, to help and be helped).

As the service provided by QED is  excellent, I got a fresh start with new coil and Detector (The fact I got a replacement Detector as well is a testament to QED exceptional  customer service. QED did not have to do this, but product pride is paramount for them, not just a pay check. I don't think any other brand would a have done this) I forgot all about my previous experiences and started again.

Anyone who uses this experience as an example of product quality is just grasping at straws. I know other brands have had their share of product malfunctions as well.

As you will read I have found gold with my QED and am extremely confident that I will find more. I am so confident that yesterday, when my wife said I could buy latest GPX version , I turned down the offer. If I could afford a GPZ AND I lived in an area where I could use it everyday, sure I would buy one, but this is not the case. I am confident that I have bought what suites my budget, detecting opportunities and is equal to the task.

Prior to COVID lock down Trip Update.

Last month I traveled down to Victoria for my nieces birthday. While there I took  the opportunity to have a swing around the GT. I met up with Goldman for a mornings training which was extremely informative. My knowledge of the QED jumped dramatically with regards to target identification and manipulation of the settings. While with Goldman I found a Three pence the photo of which is on the QED Facebook site. I also had my son with me so Goldman kindly lent him his QED for a swing. We also visited Howard for the latest Firmware for my QED. I am very thankful to Goldman and Howard for all their help, training and professional attitude.

I then had a look around Castlemaine, Maryborough ( Where I visited the Goldcentre and bought a Coiltek 14" Elite, I had to buy something ) I didn't find any gold in these spots just heaps of junk.

I then met up with Jackpot for two days. We detected around WHROO where Jackpot found 4 small bits and I found one .4g piece.

I then headed home back to Brisbane. A truly enjoyable week. I put into practice what Goldman taught me and now I am extremely confident in my target ID and capabilities of this detector

My 15x10 arrived a few days ago. Haven t had a chance to use it yet. To much rain here

Wont be dry washing there then🤐

What you found is the detectable gold. Dry washing those concentrated areas could pay well.

Here is a bloke doing the air test on the Equinox. This is the test as explained

Th test can be conducted on each x coil small the large

Northeast test is just an air test on a table with a ruler under the coil. Select coil factory reset QED and wave target in front of coil to work out max distance of a good dig  signal and distance of maybe dig. You just end up with a table for the coil of distances for each target  in cm. Once done at factory default you could do the same for what you class as optimum settings for that coil.

G'Day All

I see how a comparison Is going to be difficult. I suppose there are enough other comparison to show  us the capability of coiltek etc. With all the talk I have no doubt that x coils out perform equivalent coils. The problem for me and I suppose others is where do these coils fit into or current arsenal. The description on the QED website is quite generic.  $650 AUD is a choice that has to be as correct as possible. Couple of these coils and we are getting up into the realms of maybe I should have bought a second hand ML. (NArrhhh Aussie all the Way QED💪 QED💪 QED)

Even a comparison of x coils against themselves; from smallest to largest. Using a variety of small to large targets at different depth. To see where one coils starts and finishes and the next picks up/Overlap. We could all then see which coil fits into our current coils to fill a specific gap or capability.

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Sorry to hear about your back phrunt. You seem to have to largest collection of x coils other than davgold

Northeast's air test of the 5c, 20c ,50c seems  to be quite consistent across QED and coils. Coins could be replaced with different size gold or do both.  Even this test of x coils smallest to largest at QED default or optimum settings (or both) for each coil could show some sort of start and finish\Overlap\Maximum depth distance. Different gold sizes will show what each coil can and cannot see. This test means no hole digging, done on a table, simple to setup and film.

Been a lot of chat about x coil for ML. I would like to see or read a good comparison on the X coil vs the rest on a QED. I am going on a trip to Western Australia in June, so I need a larger mid range coil. I have received advice that the 14" Coiltek is the coil  of choice. All the talk is about x coil, but there hasn't been any real comparison posted. I was thinking 15"x10" x coil could be a contender, but lack of comparison or direct info makes it hard to make a choice.

Correct me if I am wrong

8" Sadie = Small targets at shallow depth Low ground coverage

11" Detech Ultra = Small targets a little more depth bit better ground coverage

14" Coiltek = More depth start to loose smaller targets better ground coverage

15" x 10" = ??

I received my new QED and Detech coil and went straight to Durikai for a swing.
Found
Buttons
Lead Shot
Boot tacks
Other Metal

Settings
MG 242
B 49
A 45-65
G 4-6
M 4

All finds where in the same area covered by previous QED where I found nothing

Hot rocks where a problem here. Target signal would be in a single spot, but when dug the signal spread across all dug dirt.
EMI I think was why I had to run mode 4. 3 was a bit noisy. 4 was Quiet. Deepest about 19cm that was for a little brass button.
5cent on air test was 19cm also
20cent is weird also least distance on air test. Must be made of different stuff
50cent 19.5cm

Started to rain while I was out. Straight away I wanted a waterproof cover. Definitely needs a dust cover

One point though I ran the sadie for a bit my MG was at 300 got away with 296 very hot area

Very Happy with detector

Again Great Service provided

I am off and running

Here are the pieces I found last week

Same bits scratched up plus a piece I found a while ago same area

I found a couple of these at Durikai last week. Mine where smaller.

New 8000 means🤣 7000 will be cheap.😂

What depth you getting 15"x10" x-coil generally. What would be the best coil on the QED  thinking ahead for WA trip later in year. Still saving up

Got a couple big trips planned for this year Tibooburra twice. Once as an individual trip and another on way to WA Goldfields on a tag along trip followed by a bit of personal detecting. I am thinking I will need an x-coil 15 x 10 by then

Spoke with Goldman.

Sending my Control Box and 11" Coil back for a Warranty replacement of both. Very Happy with QED service.

OK Here it is 5c 20c 50c test.

Settings best results dasenator777 settings from AEGPF , so much noise if target where in ground I probably would not have ID them as targets. As I could see target I could distinguish target noise

Sadie

MGB 100

B - Null

A - 75

Gain 3

Mode 1

SMF 12,  My default SMF is 109 I may as well been at a rock concert detecting

5c - 22 cm  Clear Signal i would dig 16cm

20c - 19 cm Clear Signal i would dig 12cm

50c  - 22.5cm Clear Signal i would dig 17cm

Northeast Setup

Sadie Coil

MGB 10 0

B -54 (Null is 55) as low as I can go without to much noise

A - 35

G - 1 any higher to much noise

Mode 1 Higher modes no different

SMF - 112 My default SMF is 109

5c - 17cm Clear dig signal

20c - 16cm Clear dig signal

50c - 17.5 Clear dig signal

Just done same test on Detch 11"

Same Settings

NO SIGNALS !!

If I hold the 50c on the coil face all noise stops and then if i rub coin on the coil i get a signal. This will be why I only get targets on top of the ground. !

When I tested detector with Goldman on phone I was using Sadie so I reckon there is still a problem elsewhere. Can a Bad coil screw the rest of the Detector if continually used.

I just sent the Control Box. I just tried the speaker not Quest same results

I live in Brisbane. No-one here to go and see. Bit Far to Victoria for a Road trip

Cheers Fred

Setting today
Detech 11" Ultra

Factory Default - Hum started straight away

Best results for rest of settings

THS-B 54 ( Null is 55. Tested as Suggested turned THS-A up to 80 and Changed THS-B until most quiet point = 55) Normal up to highest 65 lowest 47 so Null 55 both ways
GB around 100 most of day at some point could not GB unless Gain on 1
THS-A 40 to 65 Depending on noise I could put up with
Gain 3 most stable up to 6 to much EMI noise
Mode 3 Lowering  Mode made noise worst Raising no change from Mode 3

If Gain was on 6 THS-A 40. If THS-A on 65 Gain 2 max

Still a lot of intermittent EMI with coil on the ground and moving.
Did open air test with a piece of .8g gold I have. Best distance I could get about 2 inch. On top of the ground ranged from two inch to having to have coil rest on plastic vile to register.
At max depth of test Difficult to tell difference between EMI and signal. I could only tell because I could see test target.
From what I can see on all the Youtube Vids everyone elses QED seems to be reacting differently to mine

If I was digging down to reveal rubbish targets I wouldnt be concerned as Its only a matter of time to hit yellow, but everything I am finding is sitting on the surface

Question for Goldman or Howard

QED Pitch adjustment is this Threshold or target adjustment.

Why I ask. I have hearing loss and Tinnitus. Threshold pitch adjustment will give me better Threshold target id

Northeast that video was gold in itself Thx

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMYPa8z1tEJNX_-SpZmiMfQ

Hello All

Well I went out to Dukari GPA for a day trip 2 1/2 hrs there and back. Long day. This is my first time in the goldfields since getting my QED back. 6 Hours Total. Wanted to play with the setting to get a feel for different combos. Found two pieces of lead 10g and 6g they didn't really jump out at me considering they where in the top layer of soil 1st scrap.
I am unsure of my settings as I am yet to find a target that is more than a cm underground. All lead and other metals (In the top layer of dirt) because of this it is making it hard for me to know if I am getting any depth. Hence me playing around with the settings all the time

I have the amended Firmware update so my GB numbers may appear low compared to AUG 19 update
So today GB was anywhere from 95 - 126. It was hard to tell if I was truly GB as there was very little change in tone across the range

I used different combos of setup to see how it effected the QED.

Factory reset

Sadie Mode 1 worked on all combos
11" Detech Ultra stuck to Mode 3-4
Gain. I tried to maintain Mode 6 throughout, but in doing do I had to have a strong threshold noise
THS-B Null found after Gain set to 6 was from low of 40 to High of 70 Null = 55
THS-B Null found before Gain moved from default low of 44 to high of 62 Null = 53

So avg Null was 54 regardless of Gain

THS-A was the apple that upset the apple cart in every combo I used.

If I set THS-A after Gain and left it at default the QED was basically silent. Right up to Gain of 10. Raising THS-A to 40 the hum started 65 hum was to loud
If I set THS-A before gain 65 was still silent. Raise gain to 4 hum kicked in, Gain 6 again to loud

In the end I used the QED in what I will call noisy and silent setup
Detech Coil

Noisy:
Mode 3
THS-B Between 49-52 Enhance small targets
Gain 6
THS-A Between 45-55 depending on how loud the hum
GB 109

When I say noisy the tone is not a constant even hum, it is wavy with random beeps through out

Silent:
Mode 3
THS-B 49-52
Gain 6
THS-A default
GB 109

When I say Silent I was getting a lot of random beeps, but these are quite distinct from a target signal

When using the QED I like the fact that I can make it silent, to achieve this either Gain is low or THS-A is low. I am unsure as to the effect on depth.
I need a good test patch. I need to find somewhere near my home and copy the coiltek patch in target size and depth

Thanks for putting up with my reviews. Writing these is helping me gather my thoughts

When gain is raised to 3 is the interference or random beeps I experience. So now after what I experienced today this video make a hole lot more sense

G'Day All

I got my QED back yesterday, so today I took it out for a test, before hitting the Gold Fields. My QED required a custom tune to filter EMI. My default setting for SMR is now 109 where all other QED has a default of 107. I also got the latest Firmware update that lows the required number for GB and negates the need to GB after a Mode change.

I rang Brian who as always was more than willing to pass on as much info as he could. He explained the reason for the firmware update. As spoken about by other QED Users with the previous Firmware 220 or above was required to GB. Brian did not like the fact that the GB number was so close to Maximum. So the new Firmware put GB lower.

So my settings before the tune up at the same location: Sadie Coil

GB : 225
THS-B: 55
THS-A: 30
Gain: No higher than 2 before detector became unstable
Mode: 1
SMR: 107

After Tune-up & Firmware: Sadie Coil

GB: 110
THS-B: 52
THS-A 65
Gain: Depended on THS-A setting. THS-A at default Gain of 10 no problems. THS-A at 65 Gain 6 no problems which is optimum for depth.
Mode: 1
SMR : Custom Default of 109

My QED is now firing on all cylinders. On my best settings I was getting approx. 700mm above a bottle top on the surface of the ground.

Again my thanks to Brian and Howard for their prompt diagnosis and tuneup. NO better customer service anywhere.

Cheers

G'Day All

Quick update to my Setup problems. After an on the phone lesson with Goldman. I sent my box back for testing.

Bench test found my SMR was not filtering EMI at factory Default of 107 so been changed to 109.

Bonus for the trip was the latest Firmware updated which has made changes to GB. Box in on the way back to me now.
 
This is one of the great advantages of the QED EXCELLENT customer service, with fast turnaround on diagnostics. LOVE your work !

Any of the other major detectors and I would not have seen my detector for weeks !

G'Day All

Had a phone session with Goldman. Having my control box checked out
Cheers

G'Day All

Today I went and found an old mine. No Luck today

Todays Settings

MGB: 214
THS-B 48
THS-A 001
Gain 6
Mode 3

THS-A at 001 was the point where the detector was at its most stable with gain on 6. QED still was most stable at Gain of 2

Cheers
Still a lot of intermittent noise, basically all the time