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  1. Thanks, I’ll have to research who could verify it here. More pictures, sorry for the quality. It is not magnetic, but fairly heavy, about 10g
  2. Perhaps not enough information, but how does it look to you? It's about 15mm in size. Thanks in advance
  3. I walk woods as well, along with fields and use primarily Park 2. Have never been fan of Field 2, it seems to be quite chatty and does not feel deep, perhaps aimed more for smaller shallower stuff? Then modes Park 1 and Field 1 I use for target checking. Recently started using Gold 2 for checking as well, it seems to ID iffy targets a little stronger than any other mode. I always run All Metal on, especially in the woods. If area is fairly clean from iron, finding a ferrous object may be a piece of meteorite (you never know). I'd recommend to not through away small ferrous objects at the spot, especially if they feel very heavy. Iron Bias helps to separate ferrous object better, but it in clean forests it may be not a concern, hence I would set it to 0. You can also try recovery speeds 2-3 to get deeper. If ground is clean, there is no need to have high separation. Run sensitivity as high as environment allows. Some trees have little fallout during the year, hence older objects may still be shallow. Pair of garden snips will help you with digging though roots and clearing dense areas. Hope some if this helps... One thing also to mention, if places that you explore were part of WW2, pay some caution. Nox can pick up large objects from immense depths. When you have a hole 30cm deep and no target yet in sight, know it will be big, and certainly not a coin! Just recently I dug out an aluminum kettle from 70cm deep and it sounded as it was on a surface 🙂
  4. From my experience, I could never tell the difference, but I GB it anyway, but not always. The soil here easily jumps into 70-80. I think the range is subtle. Compared to PI machines, where GB setting is audibly different, on Nox, there is just no difference... The only thing I noticed is that on higher GB settings, coil bumps become audible. I would rather relate the difference in PP to the firmware version. Original 1.5 has the sharpest PP, 1.7.5 and the latest v2 sound identical, but give somewhat broader-wider footprint signal... I find it is easier to size the target with the 1.5, as it cuts the sound right off when coil center is no longer over the target. There is no easy way to tell which firmware you have between 1.5 and 1.7.5, only through PC update utility. V2 has got the F2 setting and multiple backlight levels on 600.
  5. No problem at all, I'll repeat the test once again today, just need to find this button in the pile of others 🙂 I'll check if it is magnetic as well. I had a whole saga testing firmware versions, I think I dug it out with 1.7.5, but now running 1.5. Also maybe my hand had something to do with it.
  6. This is my experience so far as well, up to 5, nothing of interest came out. 1-2 - coke or energy gels, 5 - foil. If these come too scarcely, I do dig them however...
  7. Thanks. The fact that I have dug this button out, it should have indicated positive, I'm just not sure why it is giving me negative swinging it in air. I'm not wearing anything on me that would foul it. But all who replied, it really coincides with my findings as well, swings from all angles before deciding to dig or not. If I may extend this thread as well, if anyone has found meteorites, how do they id on the equinox, negative?
  8. I actually have this very same folding joint, but I could not get on well with it, so had to purchase a new middle shaft. Once installed, the rigidity was gone, especially with the heavier 15" coil. It is an excellent idea, but the plastic just does not do it. It felt like a wet noodle. It really needs stiffer material to work. Perhaps one can get used to it, not sure, but any wobble in the shaft distracts me from enjoying detecting.
  9. Thanks for replies. I forgot to say, I was air testing it. It is an old copper button about 10mm in diameter, pretty thin, with 4 holes, but due to age, all 4 holes merged together forming a big hole, I'll snap a picture of it when I have a chance. It was giving -1 on 6" coil. There were no other objects beside it, so got me thinking. It reminds me reading somewhere about a stacked coin situation which was giving negative TID as well. FE was 0. Anyway, it is not a big deal really, I did dig it out before somehow!
  10. Hey everyone, Just curious, has anyone tried lowering the tone break T1 to negative numbers or all the way down to -9 on your hunts? Is it worth it, did anything good come out? Or is it just a recipe for headache? Reason being, I was playing yesterday with the coil and found an old button that is clearly non-ferrous, but gives negative TID in multi-frequency and positive/negative on some single freqs. Thank you
  11. It took me 5+ times to get through the registration form vicious cycle, just pay attention to details. Referrer field wants a user name of Geotech forums, leave it blank if you don't know anyone. Lots of useful info there on Equinox, which will give lots of clues how it works, but the thread hasn't seen any activity for quite a bit. Nobody has a complete pinout diagram unfortunately. It made me hook up the oscilloscope and spectrum analyzer to see for myself, things check out - tremendous work people did there. Worth a read. Update: coil pinout is now available on Geotech. All credits to that forum, so not copying here.
  12. Guys, I wonder, does anyone know or have a diagram of the coil connector pinout? Many thanks! Apologies, didn't mean to start new topic, but it was moved separate. It may come handy for others perhaps. I'm going to tap into those wires to find out what they are once I have an inline connector made.
  13. Aren't shafts same for both 600 and 800? Backlight levels only mean your 600 has got the latest firmware v2 (2.1.12). Please feel free to correct me!
  14. Chase, my buddy seems to favor and always hunts on Hot 9 program, all standard settings as he doesn't have the control box on his Deus Lite. This is in relation to Deus not picking up the Nox target. I think it was a small peace of lead, about 8" deep. The grass was easily another 3-4" tall. I was in Park 2, Recovery 4, sensitivity 23, all metal. Hope this is useful.
  15. If you own two pairs of same headphones (e.g. iphone ones), simple experiment will give you a clue what is 17ms latency is. Once set of headphones goes into Nox control unit. Other set goes into WM08 and paired. When WM08 is paired, sound is taken away from the speaker, but not the headphones jack in the control unit. Now put one earphone from one pair into one ear and another earphone from another pair. There is a very very subtle doubling to be heard, the sound is a little not round. Also direct connection to control box sounds richer than out of WM08 module. Best regards
  16. All versions will keep you finding stuff. But I afraid you will have to spend considerable time using the detector before you can spot differences of each firmware. I have same paranoia a little when flashing it. Just make sure the cable is snug, detector does not fall by itself and so on. People recommend to do Factory reset before the update and after. Procedure is fairly simple: Detector off. Press and hold power button until you see FP. Turn the detector off. Connect and flash detector to desired firmware. Turn the detector off after flashing. Press and hold power button until you see FP. Set your settings. Ready to go 🙂
  17. Thanks for the reply. I think it is fair to say that tests are not conclusive by all means, because I only use Park 1/2 and Field 1/2 modes, rarely I touch Beach modes and never Gold ones. I have very limited exposure the firmware 1.5, because I got the Nox with 1.7.5 and then updated to V2. Since updating to V2 I have noticed my finds became mostly coins and larger buttons, and my mind started wondering if I was doing something wrong and this is when I started vigorously researching the topic for the last 2 months, but information on youtube and Internet is very fragmented, rarely someone mentions the firmware they are running when testing things out, so I had to go figure it out somehow (by post or video date, for example). I agree, I do get sometimes obsessed to get to the bottom of things - my bad. I don't think there is another topic anywhere on forums, that attempts to compare all 3 versions of firmware, because, in essence, it is a very laborous task to do. More over, I perfectly see now how each of versions would suit different types of detecting, busy parks, beaches, fields and combine that with people aims, it becomes an infinite combination of preferences. So, of course, we are not talking about ML deliberately detuning the detector, they are merely trying to achieve the impossible - suit everyone (or larger audience). I'm very grateful to their farsightedness to allow to switch the firmware back and forth, thus expanding the flexibility of the firmware choice for different people and their unique aims. They could've made it one way upgradeable and it would be it, but they didn't - there is something here... I think with the original firmware the detector was not easy to learn, because it was giving more information than people wanted, especially those that did not run it in full metal mode were digging tons of iron. But it is also this very same firmware that sparked the interest to this MD and the rest was taken by achieved momentum. I have a feeling, that with further software revisions ML not only tried to fix 1.5 bugs, like VDI or user profile bugs, but also increase number of samples they take when processing signals to give more stable iron and TIDs. And they understand, that increasing sampling rate on relatively low frequency (40KHz) over a very small object (compared to the width of the swing) in real time does not come free (it is a very small "window"), I think they had to carefully adjust things at expense of others - this is my personal view only. In other words, on one hand there is responsiveness (see small items deep) and on other - accuracy (give stable TID). Anyway, I had an opportunity to hit same field 4 times, spending in each software about 6-7 hours there. A week between each test may sound long, but somehow I could tell these differences. But I totally accept that it is far from A/B switching, of course. I have to say that I was flicking the firmware before, but I never tried same locations, so I had my own doubts and findings were inconclusive. Only now, taking this extra effort visiting same field (thanks to it having so much relic stuff enough for each visit), I feel certain that revision 1.5 is the sharpest firmware, it seems to see small things at depth, but it is not very stable with TID - one can almost tell the object under the coil is not flat, etc. You may observe it by trying the PP, the footprint of which under coil is a lot narrower. Other way to express this - is if the coil shrunk from 11" to, say, 9". 1.7.5 is a fix to 1.5 bugs with more accurate TID (I think it is just averaging more samples to achieve this), pin point surface is larger. I don't know what to think of v2, it feels overburdened with calculations that even switching between modes feels somewhat sluggish. I think it is so busy that it either does not see small items or drops them to iron side if not too sure. As for Deus (Deus Lite is what my friend has), I have no experience with it, I never asked about settings, XP seem to have their own nomenclature. He doesn't run it in Deep mode for some reason, perhaps because of slow recovery. Perhaps on our next outing, we'll check each other targets more and also settings we use. I have a feeling of accomplishment determining it is the original firmware is what I want to use, for now anyway. I can forgive these bugs with user profile and VDI if it does everything else well... It would be nice if people could share their experience too. It takes only 2 minutes to switch the firmware. Sorry for the long response, again 🙂
  18. I'll just leave a note here on the 1.5.0 after visiting two places today including the field earlier in discussion, perhaps some people passing by will find it useful. In terms of separation, the original firmware beats 1.75 and v2 hands down. It felt as if recovery speed has been upped by a point or two. But the depth remained the same, or maybe even a bit better even. It is the only time when I felt GB actually makes some difference to how detector runs. The iron rust was a little sparky, but it was easy to identify by just checking the target from a different angle - in most cases TID would change with negative grunt or completely go negative. I always run iron volume high so I know I'm over an iron target. Other difference I've noticed, newer firmware was always trying to ID targets with rather stable weighted single ID, while on original, TID may change a lot, so a person would need to do the decision if it is good or bad target for them. In few words, original firmware lets you do the work and all decisions, rather than deciding for you. And I really enjoyed this today. But I understand how all this avalanche of feedback may be overwhelming for someone new to the machine or detecting. So as they say, as you get better, you may run lower FE/F2 values, I think it is also fair to say, one can downgrade the firmware to get more information as they advance with the detector. On the negative side, all TID numbers are different on 1.5, so one would need to relearn what is what once again. Ah yes, almost forgot. Today Nox was identifying targets, that Deus could not see. My friend could only see them in Deep mode. This has never happened before. He was the first to comment this difference today between us two.
  19. I don't have an advice, but would like to know more behind the balancing challenges, as in, how they were determined, the noise, stability, depth? This is just for my own education. 18" sounds very impressive, but with EQX I can't even think hitting anything small at that depth. I did notice however, that slow recovery can extract small items from deeper, but using anything below recovery 3 is rather difficult, to me anyway. I think the 15 inch coil being elliptical is made to rather cover more ground and not the depth. If only they made it round!
  20. I agree, it does sound obsessive. I wish there was a good summary somewhere of versions, because they are a little different. The coin that it couldn't pick up on edge on 1.7.5 was bronze one penny 1976.
  21. Sorry to revive rather old topic, I'll be hitting this same test field once again this weekend with 1.5.0 and stock 11 coil. Both myself and my friend agreed we skipped a lot of iffy signals and should give it another go before trying adjacent field. It will then give me a fuller picture of how all 3 software versions work on same dirt and which one is best for me. I decided to do so after running few more tests of original firmware and finding it somewhat "sharper" or more "direct". An interesting detector response I was getting over a rusty iron piece - rather than giving a single tone (positive or negative), the 1.5.0 played a symphony as coil moved over it, as if vinyl player needle moving over the record track grooves. One other test I wanted to replicate, that a lot of people reported, is coin on edge. This is what is interesting. Reports are that the original software could not see coin on edge, especially if the surface of coin was in same plane of swinging direction. The later version 1.7.5 was reported to improve this situation to some degree. I don't quite understand why I was getting opposite results - 1.7.5 could not see the coin at all, while 1.5 was a lot better with it? There was no problem with coin on edge, but face perpendicular to coil motion direction in either version, however. I want to test how it works in that field. If there is any interest, I can drop few lines about the experience. I'm also awaiting 6" coil, can't wait to try it...
  22. Thanks for the tip. I actually grabbed a piece of coke last time, for testing. I think minelab has a picture somewhere of various types of coke, I only see one kind usually here. May come to this same field again to test the 15" coil.
  23. Could you please take pictures as well, if you don't mind. Would be interesting to see the shielding and type of wires used.
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