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I would try different locations to see if the pb is specific to EMI at your home ...  Usually the D2 is a stable detector 

Deus2 9 primary , Deus1 9X6 backup ..

SECOND OUTING WITH THE DEUS2 WS6 LITE :

Same area and same settings ( SENSITIVE ) .  It has rained a little and the soil is a little less dry. Its time to start the D2.

Just a few minutes after I find a coin weight ( poids monétaire in French , I dont know the translation in English). It was used to check a coin weight. Nice find  ... 🙂

The next find will be a silver hammered coin dating from the 16th century ( 1543 ? ) 🙂 . The coin was deep and 
I would have probably missed it with my Deus1. 9X6   My first silver coin with the D2...  🙂I will try to identify  it tomorrow ..

During this 2 hours outing I will find 6 coins , 3 medieval coins and 3 more modern coins . Plus a nice medieval gilded rooch and other medieval artefacts ..

The D2 is fun to use , it easily locates the good targets in the nails bed , and it is almost silent on the ferrous. It also goes deep , sometimes I even had to give up digging because of the rock-hard soil due to the dryness..

As I already noticed the D2 conductivity scale ( or the tones breaks ) are different from the D1 . Most of the targets tends to sound with high tones on the D2, even the tiny pieces of copper for example . I guess I just have to get used to this ...

That was a very good day .  Very happy with the D2 . I think I have found the detector I was looking for ... 🙂

A few pics :

Back in the field ... :

The coin weight ( poids monetaire ) :

First silver coin for the D2 - a silver hammered coin - 16th century

The silver coin with the WS6 :

A medieval artefact ? :

An other old coin - denier tournois - 16th century :

A gilded medieval brooch  :

Time to go back home with a nice view of the castle :

6 coins found during this outing ... Not bad ... 🙂

11 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

As you note, the CTX3030 misses today's coin detector market in two ways:  weight (5.2 lb) and price ($2500 in the USA).  That's 2 lb heavier than the Nokta/Makro Legend (and even more vs. other modern multifrequency choices) ...

 

3,5 lb heavier than the Deus2 Lite  :  CTX 5,2 lb , D2 Lite 1,7 lb    .... 

12 hours ago, vive equinox said:

mandible gives me the impression of not being super fast in reactivity

in view of this and its high price I doubt that it is a best seller on European lands except among beach hunters

I have the same feeling concerning the reactivity too  .. Future will tell

1 hour ago, la torche said:

I notice one thing on the Manticore at 23.33mn it takes a target ''just under a gram'' and mounts it about 20cm above the disc.

It is a ring then a quite conductive target due to its circular shape , then it is normal to get 20cm in the air for such a target with a VLF in the air I think ... But it is difficult to assess exact distances from a video ...

47 minutes ago, la torche said:

So it would rather be Equinox 2000 given the price.

Or Equinox1999 ...  😃

On 9/4/2022 at 5:34 PM, midalake said:

Why do I get a feeling that North America is not being courted as buyers? Can we get this machine in the U.S. somewhere? 

Perhaps because XP is eating their sales in Europe with the Deus2... Then Europe is the priority for ML at the moment ... 

9 hours ago, bigtim1973 said:

That is a great first run with your ws6 set up. ...

 

How did you find the depth compared to the original deus??

--> I usually set 29khz on my D1 in iron infested areas to get a good reactivity on targets . The downside is a loss of depth on high conductivity targets like medium/big coins that "prefer" lower freqs like 5khz . The D2 FMF automatically scans the freqs from 5 to 40khz then I have excellent perfos on both small and bigger targets with it ...

Did you buy this set up as a lite configuration or did you get the full deus set up with the ws6 backphones??

--> Lite config : I bought the W6 and a 9" coil ( 750€ ). The shaft is home made from a Quest shaft .

Are you in the UK??

--> In France

The deus package I purchased was with the wsii wireless backphones. 

I was initially wanting a deus 2 lite and was going to keep my deus 1 but since they did not offer that configuration yet here for sale....I just bought the package i mentioned. 

--> You have done a good choice ...The D2 pricing is now competitive vs the other brands , Nokta Legend , ML Equinox 800 Manticore etc ... And the D2 outperforms them in terms of detection cumfort/lightness ..

Am now selling my deus 1. 

---> I keep my D1 9X6 as a backup and also because it is a little lighter than the D2, and because it is still an excellent machine in plowed fields where the targetss are often near the surface

I have used program 1 general and program 4 fast. i find the fast program on the deus 2 deeper than on the original deus 1.

--> thx program 4 fast I will try it . For me 1 general is not reactive enough , it is a little too slow in the irons , it will be ok only in clean areas for me ..

i like the full tone option with square audio.  I find it more pleasant to the ears. 
--> I agree ...

4 hours ago, Carolina said:

I too have never used a coil cover on any machine until now. I am only quoting the warranty section on the coil in the Deus ll manual. At the cost of this coil, I will not give them an opportunity to refuse replacement due to a coil cover. Read the manual.

From my standpoint I will use my D2 coils without CC , I see no reason why the D2 coils should be more fragile than the D1 ones , even if I know that I dont follow the maufacturer's ( or the seller's ) recommendations ...

For me saving 50g at the bottom of the shaft makes a significant cumfort difference and I accept to take the risk  ...  Future will tell 

2 hours ago, phrunt said:

Problem is it all comes down to soil conditions, I can show a depth test video of my Ace 300i blowing away the depth most people can get with their Equinox on a deep silver coin.  I see very little value in such videos.  In saying that my Ace 300i is a killer detector for deep silver coins in mild soils when using the Nel Tornado coil.

The depth comparison test must be done in the same conditions of course . These tests are very interesting because you can try different modes/settings for a given machine or compare different detectors . For example you can easily see that a Deus2 9" goes much deeper than a Deus1 elliptic 9X6 coil on a big coin , or that they all have almost the same depth limit ( 12 inches on a big coin on my moderately mineralized soi ).

I found these static tests to be reliable in the field . Deep detectors on static tests are usually deep in the field too ... 

The Ace 300 I dont really know this detector but I have just tried it a few minutes I cant put up with its "Hells bells" tones 🙂   And the Nel Tornado will definitely be too heavy for me if I remember its specs ..

Cant wait to have the Manticore for a depth test ...

18 hours ago, Carolina said:

Nice !!! Just a reminder, don’t run that coil without the coil cover. Warranty states if any scratches on the bottom of coil are observed, warranty is void.

I never use coil covers to save weight/balance . I never had a a coil issue since I use XP ( 2007 ) then during 15 years ...

However I  dont live in a rocky area . In rocky areas I would probably use one to protect the coi ...

12 hours ago, Luis said:

here a new video with more adjustments of the manticore

Thx interesting video at least it shows that the Multinator has a better iron disc than the Equinox on big ferrous  ...

But still no depth comparisons vs other detectors  although it would have been very easy for those Polish guys to do one , at least vs the Equinox.  Weird they all have carefully avoided the depth topic during the different Mcore presentations up to now ... 

A new ad for the Deus2 WS6 Master in the "Detection Passion" French magazine ( Oct 2022) :

 ( Price : from 899€ )

1 hour ago, dewcon4414 said:

No one should take that dealer seriously.  

Or no one should take ML seriously  ? ... 🙂

6 hours ago, NAGANT said:

From a dealers Q&A.   What does the term "50% more power", exactly mean? Does it mean the battery charge last longer, more detection depth or what? 

Looks like the answer is 50% more depth ... at least for our local dealers ... 😀 :

Minelab Manticore - Détecteur aux performances incroyables - Pré-commande (lutece-detection.com)

Détecteur Minelab Manticore : Le plus puissant des multifréquences (maisondeladetection.com)

3 hours ago, phrunt said:

... As Minelab say, Performance is everything ... but they do have the best performance and that's why we buy them.

From my standpoint and my depth tests ( comparing VLF detectors on a big coin for example ) , the MLs that I have tested ( Vanquish , Equinox ) are very good but not better than the other SMFs like a Deus2 or a monofreq set on a low freq like a Detech Chaser or a Deus1 set at 4khz.  I have not yet tested the Legend but I think it will be the same ...

They all have around the same perfos , 30cm (12inches) on a 10g coin in moderately mineralized soil using a 11 coil) which is logical because the law of physics cannot be changed , even by ML ...🙂

Still waiting for a machine going deeper than this 30cm limit . I would be happy with a detector going at 35 ...

Will it be the Manticore ?  I only trust what I see ...

Testing the Equinox 800 on a 10g coin at 12inches depth - a faint but clean signal :

1 hour ago, TexHunter said:

You forgot the Vanquish series starting at $199 for the 340 to $499 for the 540 Pro Pack...

Yes you are right thx , I have updated the post , see above

57 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

Actually the Equinox uses a 26650 3.7V battery which is similar in weight to two 18650 3.7V batteries so there is no noticable weight difference. However, with two 18650 batteries, the unit can run at 7.4 volts.

 

thx for the update , then forget my last post about handle weight comparisons ... 🙂

56 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Mr. Lawrie clearly stated in the long 45 minute video with a German speaking field tester, that Minelab redesigned the Manticore handle so it can hold TWO 18650 3.7 volt lithium ion batteries........as opposed to the one 18650 3.7v in the Equinox.

Which means that the Manticore handle + digital display is probably heavier than the Equinox one ( around +50g due to the additional 18650 ) . Hopefully the Manticore has a carbon shaft lighter than the Equinox alu shaft which compensates for this handle weight increasement ...

18650 tech info :
Panasonic NCR18650B Pile rechargeable spéciale 18650 Li-Ion 3.7 V 3400 mAh | Conrad.fr

58 minutes ago, PimentoUK said:

...
And the effect on depth ? Boring mathematics about magnetic field decay ( inverse cube response ) tells me the expected air-depth gain would be +3.8% . This assumes the same receiver gain, etc etc., which is very unlikely to be the case - it's a new machine.
...

+3,8% means around +1,1 cm ( an half inch ) more depth on a big coin buried at 30cm .  Then not a revolution . Looking fwd for the real life depth comparisons between the manticore and the others ...

9 hours ago, vive equinox said:

i am not english but i understood 1599€ vat included in the video🤔 , does he said that ? 
 

 I feel like this 2d bargraph is an insignificant gimmick 🤨

I would like to see the shape rendered on a pulltab

Rather around 2000 E in France , look above ..

And now lets compare with the other SMFs including the competition , from the lowest to the highest ,  prices from France :

1) ML Vanquish series      ->  from 250 E 
    Détecteur de métaux MINELAB Vanquish, technologie multi fréquence simultanée - Métaux-Détection (metaux-detection.fr)

2) Nokta Legend               ->  from  799 E
    Nokta Makro Legend WHP - Le détecteur Multi Fréquence Simultanée (maisondeladetection.com)

3) ML Equinox 600           -> from  799 E
     Minelab EQUINOX 600 : Détecteur ultra polyvalent, multifrquence ou VLF (maisondeladetection.com)

4) XP Deus2                      ->  from 869 E
    Détecteur XP Deus 2 FMF Mini : Le XP Deus 2 FMF à petit prix ! (maisondeladetection.com)
    + S telescopic Lite shaft 

5) ML Equinox 800          -> from 1099 E
     Détecteur Minelab EQUINOX 800 : 5 fréquences au choix ou multi-fréquences simultanées. (maisondeladetection.com)

6) ML Manticore              -> from 1999 E
    Détecteurs MINELAB Manticore - metaux-detection

Oops this post could go to the detector comparison forum, I always forget that rule ...

( Edited on August 30th - ML Vanquish )

2 hours ago, Luis said:

I also think they have done a good job but I think they have gone too far with the price, at least here in Europe

I agree , especially when you compare with the XP D2 which now starts at 750€ with the WS6 Lite package ...