palzynski

4 hours coil autonomy is not normal , it is rather around 7 or 8 hours , look at the D2 manual :

13 hours ago, burlguy said:

I absolutely went over all these spots with all of my other coils multiple times. There is some sort of secret sauce going on in the Deus. I did dig several ferrous targets that gave me a choppy signal, bolts, hand forged 2" nuts, and several chrome plated lug nuts. The v3i told me they where ferrous.
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I am getting more separation at depth with the larger 11" coil than I did with the 6x8 sef butterfly and v3i.
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The D1 had already this secret sauce in the iron trashed areas . It looks like the D2 FMF is at least equal than the D1 in the trash . I would say better knowing I have only used the 11" like you at the moment . Thanks for your very interesting report ...

8 hours ago, Gwcracker said:

You do work for XP?

Yes . And I also work for Minelab , Quest , Garrett, Nokta lol 😄 , look at my reports in this forum and at  Le blog Métaux-Détection (metaux-detection.fr)

I have even worked for Tesoro , Detech , Teknetics , Garmin etc a few years ago in two French MD magazines called " Le Prospecteur" and "Le Fouilleur" btw ...  

And for a few others I dont even remember ...

Sorry I dont understand , you found 500 coins with your whites or with the D2 ? 

10 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

No, I am not exaggerating it. I had two Deus 1, and the Deus II I saw recently had a loose cam lock fitting, resulting in excessive rod slop. Night and day by comparison. Unless you were there and saw it, you simply do not know.

Perhaps this loose cam lock issue is something different from the flex issue . If the cam lock is faulty then it has simply to be sent back to the XP after service to my opinion  ...   Yes it is often easier to understand an issue when you can directly see it in the field , then I might be wrong ...

4 hours ago, basstrackerman said:

It fits , but it's the cam that makes it slightly tighter.  Plastic which gives vs carbon fiber that don't.  I've used a simplex lower and yes it is more snug but you can use a razor blade and remove just a fraction of the cam stop material and it fits great. 

Thx a lot basstrackerman . Using a Simplex carbon lower shaft for the D2 is a very good idea . It is much stronger and a little longer( 2,5" - 6cm , see pic below ) than the XP polymer shaft . 

The modifs seem easy to do :
1) modify the Deus shaft cam stop to remove a fraction of material
2) adapt the Simplex shaft coil connector so that it fits to the D2 coil , it should not be a pb  ...

I will do that on my future D2.  Then I can extend the shaft a little bit more which will be perfect for me ...

The Deus stock polymer lower shaft and the Simplex optional carbon lower shaft :

15 hours ago, basstrackerman said:

Use a simplex carbon fiber lower....  They fit and with a very small mod the coil works fine on it.   ...

I have tried a simplex carbon lower and it doesnt fit on my Deus1 shaft . Too tight ... the simplex shaft is a little too large for the Deus1 shaft  ... I will complain at Nokta ...  🙂 🙂

1 hour ago, midalake said:

It is not exaggerated if you are tall and have to extend it out to maximum length. For hunting in water it is completely unusable.  

I dont hunt in water then I dont have this issue but I guess that in water there are more mechanical constraints on the shaft than during inland hunting . Probably this is the reason why a lot of beach hunters have replaced their Equinox stock shafts with carbon shafts ...  

I hope there will soon be carbon shafts available for the D2 , either from XP or an other manufacturer .. 

33 minutes ago, relicmeister said:

.... But as Palzinsky says about the lightweight upper, I’m going to get one to use with WS6 and 9” coil as Deus 2-Lite. ....

The S-telescopic stem weighs around 310g ( see pic below ) . The D1/D2 stock shaft weighs 400g . Then you will save around 90g using the S-telescopic shaft  ... 

for example , a D2 with the stock shaft and 11" coil weighs 880g  ( without coil cover ) , with the S-telescopic it will only weigh 790g .    And probably around 730g with the D2 9" coil ...   Not bad ... 🙂

The S-telescopic stem  :

30 minutes ago, brys said:

thats my ideal setup so hangng fire on the d2 for now as no oval coil

I will sell my D1 HF as soon as I have the D2 9"  .  I have no doubt that the D2 9" will do the job including high iron trashed areas from what I have seen during my tests of the D2 11" 

10 hours ago, Johnnysalami1957 said:

I'm definitely getting a DEUS II.  I need the lightest machine available because of a worn out shoulder being replaced soon.

Should I wait until the supposed bugs are addressed like lower shaft flex and other issues? Maybe other coil options I don't know.

This  lower shaft flex issue has been exagerated . This shaft has been released on 2010 with the Deus1 then it is definitely not something new on the market ... 🙂.

Personnaly I have used this shaft during several years  I can tell you that it is a a very convenient , reliable and light shaft . 

For me this shaft is rather a strength than a weakness if you compare with the competitors , an Equinox or an Apex for example ...

The only thing to know ; tall persons ( > 1,85m )  should buy the XP optional longer mid shaft otherwise the shaft will be too short for them.

Btw If you want to save weight there is an optional lighter shaft available at XP , I currenly use it  and I like it  : S TELESCOPIC Lite Stem | XP METAL DETECTORS

HH with your D2 ...

My Deus1 WS4 HF with the S-Telescopic Stem : 

Would be interesting to compare with an other detector .. To know if only the D2 has an issue or of it is the same for other machines ...

3 hours ago, DanU said:

Are you guys seeing the wobble in the water or just in general use?  I extend mine to the 4 1/2 mark on the lower shaft and haven't notice any wobble.  But I haven't used it in the water yet.  I am waiting for the 9 inch coil, the longer shaft and the bone conducting headphones to become available before water (wading) use and the dive shaft for diving.

Mine is extended to  5 and I do notice a little wobble ..

2 hours ago, steveg said:

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NOW, some of these hurdles could be overcome, by avoiding use of the non-round tubes, and building a replacement shaft with standard, round carbon-fiber tubes.  On the positive side, this would allow use of my current cam lock (thus no new cam lock injection mold needed), and would also easier-to-produce "round" shaft fittings (the lower rod piece, etc.)  The lower rod "head" or "clevis," as long as it is round, could have the "cavity" for the "coil ear plug" to be machined into it, so that hurdle could be overcome as well.  I have considered the possibility of adapting my new "S-shaft" design, for use with the Deus.
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Yes non round or round shafts has no importance I think . I think people just need a light collabsible carbon S shaft for the Deus suitable for all persons including tall ones , wether the rods are round or not ..

One other thing I noticed on the Deus shaft is that the rear shaft is too short ( I mean the distance between the handle and the arm cuff ). Would be a good idea if this distance could be adjusted by the user , which is not the case with the current XP shaft..

But simply providing a new lower shaft would still be a great improvement for the users . I mean a carbon lower shaft longer than the current XP shaft  . It would solve the "wobbly" issue and could be used by tall persons ...   NM has an optional carbon lower shaft for the Simplex and a carbon lower shaft on the Legend btw ...

9 hours ago, Ogliuga said:

I have a friend of mine who always takes D2 to the sea, both on the shoreline and in the first meter of water. Recently ha has told me that the lower rod suffers a lot from friction with water. He’s 1.90 tall and has to stretch the rod a lot..he's disappointed and worried about that. By the way he uses the 11”..

I confirm that the Deus1/2 standard shaft is too short for persons over 1,80m tall . At 1.80m the lower rod starts to wobble because it is set at its limits . Clearly I am 1.83m and the D2 shaft is a little too short for me.

I heard that there was an XP optional longer mid shaft available as an accessory . It would solve the pb but I dont see it on the XP internet site. Will ask to my dealer ..

9 hours ago, SwiftSword said:

I should have been more specific 😄 I do have a year of experience using a Vanquish 540 in a variety of terrains, and I'm familiar with many of the concepts (though certainly not all) I got the D2 as something to "grow into". But growing is tough when the textbook is lacking. 

I know very well the 540 I have used it during one ot two years ... You can "simulate" a Vanquish with your D2 using it on P1 GENERAL, SQUARE and 5 tones .

The D2 is just much faster and reactive , with a much better iron filtering , and of course lighter than the ML . And it is eventually easier to use than the Vanquish in iron trashed areas, even using this GENERAL mode ... 

Probably you have already seen the difference ... 🙂

HH

4 hours ago, SwiftSword said:

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I'm a relative beginner using an advanced machine, and am well aware that I have a steep learning curve to climb.....

I would not recommend the D2 for a total beginner . I think that the D2 is too sophisticated for a beginner unless he is in a detection club where people can help to tell how to use the machine ...

If I had an advice for a beginner using a D2 , it would be to start only using the P1 GENERAL factory mode without trying to change the other settings , except basic ones like ground balance and general volume.  And only after a few months try other modes and expert settings ..

18 minutes ago, Shelton said:

... and the back of the head hurt. ...

I would suggest you to stick a piece of foam on the back of the headphones , which should solve the pb . Personnally I dont hesitate to modify things when I dont like them ...

57 minutes ago, slyworld said:

Of course yes ! absolutly agree with you 🙂 but if you have more accurate eyes, this more powerfull lights will help you to see further 😉 and that exactly what the Déus 2 have : some more precise components that increase the signal/noise ratio 😄

Sorry I cant change my eyes , unless I go to Lourdes and there is a miracle ... 🙂 

But as the detector's name is Deus who knows what may happen ... 🙂

1 hour ago, 1moar said:

Is there a transmit power increase in Deep HC and Diving mode? I wonder if in Mono Frequency also. I base these questions on suggested battery life in manual.

Detectors electromagnetic fields in the ground behaves like cars headlights in the fog . It is not because you increase your headlights power that you will see further ... 

14 hours ago, midalake said:

This is not true. The WS6 headphones are complete junk and the shaft is not usable in water.  

They are definitely not junk,  the WS6 are very similar to the Deus1 WS4 headphones that are by far the most popular Deus1 wireless headphones used over here in France . This because they are very light and they are opened so that you can hear the external sounds , then they are excellent for inland hunting  .   I agree that they are a little fragile . This is the reason why I have reinforced mines with a sticky tape, look at the pics below ..

For beach hunting it is a different story as the weather conditions are often tough and very windy then closed big heaphones are a much better choice . I agree that the WS6 may not be the right tool for beach hunting ..

My D1 WS4 reinforced with a sticky tape . Not very aesthetic but I have been using it since several years now without any pb  ... :

1 hour ago, Shelton said:

I’m struggling with high conductors… old copper coins locks too high… 91 ID and above. That is weird. It should to lock lower. Is different at D1 and other multi devices… I hope they work on it. I have bad feeling that all high conductors are placed at narrow space at upper ID scale.

Yes I noticed this,  the D2 conductivity scale seems to be compressed for high conductors and extended for lower ones . Not a pb for me as I only hunt by hear and never look at the VDIs but the D2 cond scale seems to be very different from a Vanquish or an Equinox for example ...

3 hours ago, Jayhop said:

I tested mine last night, everything was the same as before the update. No loss of death. 

I still can't create a usable 5 tone program that sounds as good as the equinox on my deep coins. 

I dont see any difference between the Nox and the D2 on deep coins on my bed test.  I have a clean and soft signal on a 10g bronze coin at 11" , with the D2 GENERAL , PARK or DEEP HC modes ...   Similar result with an Equinox 800 11" . My soil is moderately mineralized .   

I am wondering if you dont have an issue with your D2 , faulty coil  or other ... or EMI? 

9 hours ago, relicmeister said:

Excellent summary, Alain

im stuck with the 11” coil until I can get my 9” which is on preorder. It’s funny, though. I’m really getting used to the 11” coil having no trouble centering on targets or in trashy areas. Instead of worrying about when I’ll get the 9”coil, I’m just looking forward to it while enjoying the 11”. There are still programs I haven’t tried yet, but weather here is allowing me to get out more often now so I can get up to speed. 
when do you expect to have your own Deus II ?

I enjoy your comments and observations. 

You are right this 11" coil is a very good coil . I just watched abenson's last relic hunting video , he has done a great job with this coil . The right choice for relic hunting because it very probably goes deeper than the 9" coil . At the end I will have probably have both coils ... 

This week I had no time available for detecting. I will  just wait a few weeks before buying a D2 so that I can have it a little cheaper ... My be a second hand I will see ...

12 hours ago, Tom_in_CA said:

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In other words, it's VERY EASY to be shown a flagged spot, and THEN to hear something.  And if someone else (who has a reputation for finding deep silver in junky parks) says "This sounds good", then it's VERY EASY to subconsciously amp up the evaluation in-your-mind, and simply agree :  "Yes I hear it, and yes I would have dug that, and yes it sounds like such & such". 

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I agree  I have heard this "Yes I hear it, and yes I would have dug that" sentence hundred of times lol  😄 ...  It is the worst way to compare 2 detectors while being the most frequently used method ...