Daniel Tn

The 6" on the Nox is pretty decent.  It exceeded my expectations and actually sings out well on the 7 to 8 inch coins and relics in my test garden.  The only catch is, I had to reduce recovery speed to make the targets not sound clipped in audio.  I'm not going to hold my breath but I would love to see an 8 or 9 inch round coil for the Nox.  Word on the street is Makro will probably produce one first...if they do, the Multi Kruzer will probably knock the Nox out of my hands for a freshwater beach water machine.  I like the Nox performance and audio better but 6" is too small and 11" too large in water.

You have the ability to notch ID ranges in and out.  You could make disc patterns similar to what you are running on the CTX and not have to disc out the entire range.  It would look different on the screen but if you test your rings again with all IDs accepted, you could get an idea where MOST of them fall within (you will never get them ALL if you are using discrimination) and leave those areas open on the disc range and then disc out the rest up to coins and then open that range up too.  Discing out -9 to +22 is a bad idea unless you are solely chasing recent dropped stuff IMO.  

Here is a quick video I threw together showing the Makro underwater headphones vs the LS Pelso underwater headphones.  You can hear the difference in volume between them on this video too.

Kellyco called me a couple days ago about my LS Pelsos and the connector.  Yes they are bad and they are offering to do some modification to them to make them work.

I DO NOT have the Equinox version of them though.  I have the ones for the Multi Kruzer...but they did call me about them.  The problem, at least for the Multi Kruzer...was that the headphones do not work if you are using the external waterproof battery power pack. If you do not use the battery pack accessory, the headphones work fine when plugged into the detector's headphone jack.

It is possible that this problem may have been reported on the forums for the Kruzer and that people are intrepreting it to be for the Nox as well.  Or it could be a similar problem with the Nox....I'm not sure.  

The 11" round coil is different.  

I will revisit this thread in the coming weeks.  I was doing a comparison video myself between the two, in different areas....coins, relics, and freshwater jewelry hunting.  I had an older Pentax W90 waterproof camera that I was doing the videoing with but it died on me. It could only do 720p quality video.  I bought a newer camera that goes 1080p at 30 and 60 fps...and the video quality is amazing.  I decided I would redo the video stuff with the new camera since the older camera footage and sound looks and sounds like crap compared to the new camera.  I want people to be able to hear the sounds and see the differences. You'll be able to see why the Nox is my pick.  

I think the better comparison for the Multi Kruzer is the AT Max...just my opinion. 

13 hours ago, TedinVT said:

Daniel,

Please share your opinion of the LS.Pelso phones when you have a working pair.  Did you notice where these phones are made?  Is the headband padded?  Many thanks for yor input.

Ted

Ted,

The headband is hard plastic like the Koss phones.  The ear cups fit snug and fit my head much like hearing protection ear muffs.  The coiled wire is very thick gauge wire and way more beefy than the yellow Koss phones.  There were no markings or documentation in the box with the headphones to say where they were made.  

I don't think I have ever liked G.G. anything.  Poor fit, poor volume, poor sound quality.  

I bought a pair of the LS.Pelso yellow headphones for the Multi Kruzer.  I assume they are the same as on the Nox, except with a different connector. Construction wise, they are much beefier than the yellow Koss headphones and I could tell they block out a lot of surrounding ambient sound.  I never got to try them though, as they were dead out of the box and I returned them to Kellyco in exchange for another pair that I requested they test to make sure worked.  

I have both the Equinox and Multi Kruzer.  

I initially bought the Multi Kruzer just because that's how I tend to be with new machines.  There are very few people that I pay close attention to on detector reviews.  So most of the time I will just buy and test for myself.  I initially did not like the MK...I tested it exclusively against the Equinox and in every scenario I put them through, the Equinox was the better unit. So I sold the MK.

A month or two later, the guy I sold it to tells me he is getting out of detecting and asks if I know anybody that might be interested in the MK that I sold him. He had since bought the 7 inch concentric coil, the waterproof headphones, and a waterproof power pack for it. He said he'd sell it all to me for $400.  Heck I couldn't turn that down for a waterproof machine...if nothing else, it could be a backup to the Nox in case it flooded out on me and for people to use if I ever have someone come tag along with me that doesn't have a detector.

So since having it back and getting to play some in the water with it, and having the 7 inch coil that people are raving about....I have came to a somewhat final conclusion about the two.

The Equinox is still my primary unit.  I hunt coins, jewelry, and Civil War relics, on land and in water.  Performance wise, the Equinox goes deeper for me.  I like its audio/tones better. It is the first machine I reach for.

The Kruzer does have a few things that stand out about it though that, at least in my opinion, is better than the Equinox. The control housing is built much much better.  They put a lot of thought into how it is designed.  The menu navigation is EASIER on the Kruzer as well.  There is no scrolling thru the menu to get to changes.  The coil selection is already better for the Kruzer too, and it was announced and rolled out AFTER the Equinox.  In the water, I really like that 7 inch coil but do wish they had a 9 inch round option. Neither Minelab nor Makro have that size available. I feel for freshwater JEWELRY hunting, a 9 inch coil would be about perfect.  However the 7 inch works much better for me than the stock Kruzer coil IN WATER.  The 11 inch Minelab coil is a bit too large for my liking in the water and I haven't been able to get my hands on a 6 inch coil yet.  My fear is that the Equinox will go the way of the CTX, and only have 3 Minelab coils available, and then CoilTek will be the only one to do any others for it...which will be over priced oddball sizes that no one wants.  

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The Multi Kruzer is not a bad choice.  In fact as of this writing, for the Equinox and Minelab haters, it's probably their best newer option for competition against the Equinox.  They are hinting towards something big to be revealed in Sept at Detectival though.  In some ways I would take what they (people on other forums) report with a grain of salt.  Some have a huge agenda and strong animosity against the Equinox and are liable to claim/say anything.  

If I could only have just one machine it would be the Equinox hands down.  

BUT...IF I were a WATER relic hunter that liked chasing big iron....such as guns, artillery shells, etc.  I would have to pick the Kruzer over the Equinox for that.  I feel it gives a better audio profile for sizing targets and would give more audio intel for iron objects.  I have tried this water hunting for relics stuff and it is exhausting if you don't have the correct machine. Water ways have been human dumping grounds for centuries...there's more junk in creek and river beds than probably the city dump.  

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I don't hunt ghost towns or sites like that.  There is something those guys like about the concentric coils over DD coils that do it though and that's another tick mark on the Kruzer side.  I have played a lot with the 7 inch concentric coil on the MK and while I don't find it to be deep...I do like it in around places where home sites have been torn down...ESPECIALLY sites with tin roof or cans.  But to be honest, in testing the Nox and Kruzer in these sites, I haven't found the 11 inch coil to hinder the Nox much.  I've not found any masked targets that only the Kruzer with 7 inch coil could see...if that makes any sense.  Which really has me curious as to how the Nox does handle with a smaller coil on it.  

I would love to see someone post a base line for air test distances with the 6 inch coil vs the 11 inch coil, with the same program and sensitivity settings....just to get an idea of what to expect from it.  I realize things in ground will be different, but I like looking at data like that.

Don't look like I will be able to get one of these any time soon so data from those that have them is all I have to occupy me.  There's one on ebay now for a Buy it Now of $450.  I think I will pass.  lol

I initially had both the 600 and 800.  In testing them, I decided the 600 was more than enough detector for what I do and could match the 800 in every area I tested it.  I didn't like the gold modes on the 800 nor any of the single freqs. The bread and butter of the Equinox is the Multi mode anyway.  I picked up a pair of the Miccus SR71 wireless phones for $40 new and a pair of the yellow Minelab waterproof phones.  I sold the 800 since demand for them was so high.  I do hope someone comes out with an 8 inch coil for the Nox. That would be perfect for freshwater hunting...the 11 inch is too big and I think the 6 inch would be a tick too small.  

My yellow ones seem to have a weird echo/reverb sound to them too but otherwise, aren't as bad as I've heard others complain about.  

My biggest problem right now is my scoop has 1/2 inch holes and approx half of my targets are falling through when I lift the scoop up to look in it and I end up chasing them.

I think mine are decently loud.  I downloaded a Db reader app for my phone and with the headphone ear piece on my microphone on the phone, the Nox seems to average 65 Db at 25 volume. It would jump to the low to mid 70s.  OSHA requires hearing protection for exposure to 85 Db and above to prevent hearing loss.  I'm not sure if I want mine any louder. The AT Max with blue Garrett headphones at a setting of 1 (lowest it can be set on volume) was approx 90 Db on the same app. The loudest setting for it actually peaked over 120 Db....which nears what a .22 rifle is. 

Just a tip for those that may not be aware or that don't mess with "advanced" settings...make sure your individual tone bin volume is set higher for underwater use and not just the overall volume.  I noticed with my yellow headphones that the volume on my test rings was low and it honestly didnt dawn on me til I hit a quarter while out in the water and the hit was so loud it hurt my ears.  It then clicked that while hunting on land I had modified the sound settings, and that my sounds were also set with the wireless headphones which have volume control. The yellow ones are different, but the individual programs are different too in that some are set with likely coin target tone bins having more volume than the likely trash tone bins.  Which in the water, is where most of the gold jewelry is going to be....once I went through and changed the volume of the bins to match the coins, I didnt have any trouble at all and actually lowered the overall max setting by a few numbers.

Congrats on the R button!  That is one that eludes me for sure.  I've dug the A, C, D, and I buttons but not the R.  Most see the seated coin as the highlite but to me, I'd rather have that Rifleman button!

I have a pristine big box Whites TDI with stock coil, charger, and 2 batteries.  I mean it has less than 2 hours on it.  I'd sell it for $900 shipped TYD or best offer.  

Holy snikeys!!  

This forum has became my favorite as well.  Tom's forum use to be the place I mostly posted at, but isn't anymore.  There are too many people there with deeply rooted bitterness.

I have the 600 and 800.  I got the 600 first due to availability, and I was thinking it would be a while before my 800 made it to me.  I was wrong...days after getting the 600, I received shipping notice of the 800 headed my way. To be honest with you, other than the wireless headphones with the 800, I can't tell a difference in performance between the two.  Sure, the 800 has more advanced settings for tweaking...but if you're not into tweaking, the 600 is probably all a person needs.  Other than testing, I've not even hunted in the Gold modes and probably won't.  Park 2 and Field 2 will be my most used modes, and then beach for when I go to the beach.  

Just some friendly advice.  Your scoop choice should be based on the type bottom you are most likely to encounter.  Is it rocky, shells, mud, clay, sand?  I hunt both freshwater lakes, rivers, and saltwater beaches.  One scoop won't cover it all.  I have a Stealth 920 with carbon fiber handle.  Most expensive scoop I own. On the saltwater sand and beach, it is priceless!  But at the lake or river, it is useless.  Our lake beaches are mostly mud/clay, shell, and shoal.  While I love the light weight of the Stealth and the width of the basket opening...it just can't bite into the shell or rock, and does a horrible job with the clay.  For that, I use a Nuttall diamond head.  It is narrower than the Stealth and much heavier.  But it can handle the clay and shells and some of the rocks.  Now, in a river situation with lots of rocks...a scoop is worthless anyway.  Unfortunately, I don't have any great suggestions for that other than to use a pick of some sort and waterproof pinpointer.  I actually gave up river hunting due to not having an effective and efficient way to recover targets.

Huge congrats!!  I've found several goodies with those 18 and 19 numbers.  Especially colonial flat buttons.  I prob won't ever find a gold coin here.  Folks were so poor they couldn't afford to pay attention.

I didn't mean to muddy up your thread with DIV talk.  I was just saying that some people might attribute this hunt to being slow (compared to past hunts) due to your choice in machines for the hunt.  There are people out there foaming at the mouth to kill off the Equinox and have it dead and buried.  They will take any approach they can to use for their base line of argument, no matter how far fetched.   

My buddy just got back as well.  He had a GPX 4500 and the Nox 800.  He said his GPX battery died towards the evening of day 1, and that he hadn't dug a single keeper relic up to that point.  He swapped over to the Nox and ended the day with several Sharps bullets and round balls.  The next day, he decided not to even go to the hunt site, because in his words, "that place sucks, everybody I talked to didn't have anything more than a couple bullets".  I talked him into going to day 3, because I told him that it usually takes a day or two for people to dial into where the relic concentrations are on a new property and that it always seems like nobody is finding much until the relic display on day 3, and then you see just how much was found.  He said he didn't even bother with his GPX and hunted solely with the Nox on day 3.  Found more bullets and some brass odds and ends. No buttons though.  He did end up finding more than all of his carpool crew combined.  He said there were several display cases on the trailers, but most of them didn't have much in them.  He said he thinks most people brought them to show and tell due to the raffle for getting into the next hunt without having to sign up, otherwise they wouldn't have brought them at all.  In any case, he said if he finds out its gonna be back at that farm, he is not even signing up for it.  So it may have been there just wasn't a lot of stuff in the ground to get a coil over....I guess we have been spoiled with the past at some of the dug in winter camp farms when they were in their prime.  

Very cool....I have been wondering how to check the battery power in the headphones.  I hope that works with a Galaxy S7 too. Will have to give it a try.