1515Art

A little addition we will be hosting a meal in the form n smoked tri tip (5  3# tri tips how ever far it goes) with rolls for sandwiches along with a pot of beans and potato salad. Ceril will make breakfast probably on Sunday morning.

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5 hours ago, UT Dave said:

 

It's not good fuel economy.  It's just a big tank 😄  A big aftermarket welded aluminum 31 gallon tank.

- Dave

Ahhh, OK. I have a 12 gallon aux fuel tank that mounts to the spare tire swing out, but took it off because the weight bouncing down dirt roads was too much for everything and was tearing  the metal the around the bolts that hold the bumper to the frame. I’ve since welded a 1/8” steel strap the width of the bumper attaching the recovery bumper directly to the frame eliminating that problem but haven’t remounted the fuel tank yet. It sure is peace or mind having the extra fuel running around out in the boonies.

2 hours ago, UT Dave said:

Not especially.  They are far more comfortable to drive at least.  My wife's '19 is like driving a Cadilac compared to my '06.  Has way more power and gets way better MPG.  But the '06 has been more reliable.  Which isn't saying a whole heckuva lot.

But the SxS thing doesn't really work for me.  I hate dragging trailers around and really hate dragging them around on dirt.  I usually don't get back on pavement at the same place I left it, often more than 100 miles from where I left it, so having to be anchored to a trailer is something I don't like.  My Jeep can go anywhere a stockish SxS can, and some places that some SxS's can't.  While carrying all my camping gear (including my fridge with ribeyes and cold beer and my charcoal grill) so I can end up wherever I end up for the night, with heat, AC, tunes, etc. along the way.  My fuel range is about 350 miles without carrying extra, that's a very nice bonus over trying to get around in a SxS.   It just fits my preferred style of moving around the sticks a lot better than a SxS.

- Dave

Wow, that’s great fuel economy best I can do is a little over 200 miles on a tank, but worth it most of the time for the very same reasons you stated.

16 hours ago, strick said:

I can see leg room being an issue for you in the small Toyota? I still think the best set up is a larger truck and have a trailer with a side by side ready to roll...that way your not beating up your primary rig all the time...trying to get into some of those areas will be hard with a bigger truck..Are the newer jeeps reliable? I know nothing about them...the only jeep we have ever owned was my wife's Grand Cherokee and we got rid of that after a few years due to problems..My 06 Ram 2500 diesel has been a good vehicle just turned over 300k the other day...lots of little stuff has broke over the years but never anything with the 5.9 cummings engine...work horse 

strick

Leg room is always a concern alright and a big truck would fill that bill. But the most I can fit in my garage is the Aliner, living in an HOA has its share of benefits and disadvantages, the cost going to the truck goes up quite a bit. I’d be looking at the truck, toy hauler and storage fees for my toys as I’ve no place to keep anything like that the HOA won’t allow it. And those diesel trucks still run 20K and up looking on Craig’s list. 
 

I think for now I’m better off sticking with my Jeep and giving the host of new similar trucks to the CAT time for all the bugs to work them selves out… “buy a taco” sage words my friend… 

15 hours ago, Jim in Idaho said:

Clark, I went the Jeep route way back in the '80's and learned my lesson on them, though I think that original 6 cylinder was pretty reliable. I've got a buddy with an older Wrangler...not sure the year, and he just put his 3rd engine in it. I really sympathize with what you're going through. Nothing worse than not being able to trust your outdoor rig. We all go to some pretty grim places, and sometimes a vehicle failure is serious. When I hunted coyotes, back in the 70;s and early 80's, and camped out in the Great Divide Basin in Wyoming, my little Chey LUV pickup starting was virtually life or death for me. -20 temps, and 50 or 60 miles from then pavement. I used to "bite" washers out of the seat cushion when I turned the key each morning...LOL

Jim

Jim

Jim, it’s been a learning experience, I now know much more about working on Jeeps than I really ever wanted, lol, but sadly my knowledge is very repair specific so I can’t find the right YouTube video on how to fix it without help I guess. 

Imagine if we had a hat like the one the monkey wore in one episode from futurama that gave us the full power of the knowledge of everything known on google at our finger tips to fix anything… that little yellow MIL light would still shine.

you are right on the money the whole needing reliability issue is what it’s all about, lol.
 

5 hours ago, dirtman said:

I haven't read all the replies since yesterday except for yours so far.

Reason I asked about the light is because these Jeepers Creepers are Notorious for Check Engine lights.

If she's running acceptably but your light comes and goes I wouldn't worry about it.

Let something surface that you can isolate when it does if it does.

I've had 5 of these Jeepers and currently on my 6th anda good buddy had one with 365,000 miles on it and check engine lights are common with no running problems sometimes "Generic" codes that need to be ignored untill some issue materializes that leads you to it and a fix.

That buddy was coming home from Gold Basin on RT 93 and some woman on the phone speeding forced him off the Hiway and he rolled it OR it would still be 4 wheeling with 365,000 miles on it if it weren't destroyed 🤢.

Very true, but I think it is something simple and clues are stacking up if I was smart enough to figure it out. there’s a lot more that I don’t know about Jeeps than what I do know. Knowledge is kinda like getting fat, it comes one hamburger at a time, Mucho thanks to those here who have given me a few new burgers to chew on that I think might taste pretty good. Then I’ll sit down comfortable with my full belly in the drivers seat while I put a strip of black tape over it, lol.

10 hours ago, strick said:

You brought this on yourself Clark... I seen the way you used to drive that Jeep 😜 I was in it once if I remember right...you should have listened to me when I told you buy a Taco lol...just kidding of course but I hope you get smarter on your next purchase..😊

strick 

Used to drive would suggest I’ve changed my ways… trust me on this, those words “buy a Taco” are an endless loop in my brain, ha ha. I think maybe we are genetically prone to create our own drama, some more than others maybe I’m high up on the spectrum… let’s see, smarter on my next purchase, hmmm that’s a lot of pressure Chuck and somewhat against the odds, I haven’t gotten smarter in a long time, but thank you for having faith in me that I might have a chance, lol. Thanks Buddy.

Clark

13 hours ago, Northeast said:

1515Art.   I have had 3 experiences with Jeeps, all bad.   Thankfully none of them owned by me.  The constant returning to the garage to get codes cleared rings very true for one of them.

I assume you’ve heard it before, but there is a saying here in Australia about Jeeps:

Just
Empty
Each
Pocket.  

I haven’t seen the CAT ute before.  Looks interesting.  But is it a first model?  Maybe let the teething issues get out of the way before buying one?

An older, diesel Toyota that has had none of the fruit put on it would do me.  Something basic that some old bloke has plodded around in and done no towing, no extreme 4WDing.  They take awhile to find but they do come up.

Best of luck with whatever you do 👍

They claim the diesel engine is one they have been using a long time and service and parts will be available world wide at everyone of their facilities. The diesel is the basic version that I think they said puts out 400hp and you can practically drive across the US one one tank… must be a pretty big fuel tank? The features were endless but you can lower the truck to passenger car height or raise it to 14” ground clearance at the push of a button, the bed of the truck can act like a job site power center with multiple 120 and 240 outlets and it is extendable somehow, body panels are designed for easy replacement if needed, locking diff anyway  if curious these a bunch of videos on YouTube.
 

But you are right the odds for problems increase with every part added on but they make some pretty big claims on realibility?

3 hours ago, UT Dave said:

The only test I didn't see you mention already, that would be very pertinent to the intermittent cylinder 6 misfire, is a leak down test.  Burnt #6 exhaust valves on #6 are quite common on the 4.0 and especially in the last years of production.  It's where the dirtiest and hottest oil tends to end up.  My own '06 4.0 suffered it and a leak down test is what showed it to me.  The fix was not too expensive, doing the work myself.  The head comes off a 4.0 pretty easy, then $350 for a full rebuild and new hardened seats at the machine shop.  Another $150 or so for gasket and head bolt kits.

The '05's and '06's are somewhat notorious for PCM problems.  Though it sounds like you've chased that rabbit plenty already.

That it's a stroker kind of complicates things.  Everyone I personally know that has done a 4.0 stroker has fought seemingly never ending tuning and cooling issues.  To the point I won't even consider doing a stroker in mine.  LS swaps, while not simple or cheap, seem to be far less problematic.

Hope you get it sorted!

And sorry, but I know nothing about the CAT truck so can't comment there.

- Dave

When I did the compression test cylinder 6 was a little less than the other cylinders at around 145# vs 150 across the board on the other 5 cylinders so I guess I need to do that again, the leak down test I didn’t think about but I’ll try that too. Amazon has a kit with good reviews I’ll check to see if my local auto zone has a loaner first.

the computer has always been sensitive but I noticed this beginning to occur more frequently after returning from Gold Basin a little while back I’d pushed it for a stretch climbing the grade from Arizona back into Nevada towing my 10’ Aliner trailer, it never overheated but I did push the engine WOT for a good 15 minutes or so maintaining freeway speeds. The fact that slow driving and sitting at a stop light triggers the MIL to flash and the light resets at high RPM now makes a little more sense, high RPM would off set the compression leak the way the computer sees it possibly?

The Two good PCMs come from Mark at “Wrangler fix” he kind of put an end to the PCM issues when he located a unit still in production from another Chrysler vehicle he could successfully flash for our TJs, they ain’t cheep but the big problem was the only thing available up until then was a supply of defective units marketed as rebuilt, that kept going through from one Jeep to the next with out being actually rebuilt at $1K plus your old core they’d clean and resell to their next victim.

55 minutes ago, Jim in Idaho said:

I gotta tell you, as a life-long outdoors and wild country guy, the one thing I never do is hop-up my rig. Getting home is my number ONE priority. My '01 Dodge diesel has stranded me exactly once in it's 371,000 miles (50,000) of that on dirt roads). And that was simply because the A/C compressor finally quit at 340,000 miles, and I stupidly did not have the shorter serpentine belt in the truck, to bypass it. That one event is the only time I had to have help, and I've driven, literally, millions of miles, a lot of it off-pavement. I have zero desire to buy one of these "modern" vehicles. I would NOT trade, straight across, my nearly 23 year old truck for a new one. For me, simple is best, and I don't care about horsepower beyond about 200.

Jim

jim that’s sage advice, In retrospect I’d have done this a lot different but it all started with the first shop after the head gasket took out the radiator overheating the engine. I had the Jeep towed into a shop for diagnostic expecting i was going to replace it if repairs were too expensive and while I was kicking tires on its replacement the shop called with good news saying all it needed was a new head for around a grand, so I passed on a great deal. Couple days later I got a call to pick it up, what I found was the Jeep would barely run and sounded like the cylinders were full of broken parts, they didn’t even change the oil. The deal they offered was 5K for a crate motor install or around $3K for a used engine swap they said they found.
 

The New Golen Stroker was only a couple thousand more so I made the decision for a little more power and chose a highly recommended shop to install it. That decision took me down a 4 year course in Jeep repair and roughly $30k in new parts,  the second shop sent it back with the first shops after market radiator causing major overheating issues, all the old sensors from the burnt engine, intake/exhaust manifold leaks and missing ground straps plus a host or other things I had to do myself. I had driveline vibration issues from new diff gears resulting in New Adam’s drive shafts, Warn manual front hubs with Warns best chrome Molly axels front and rear the only one available during supply chain problems during COVID, new factory cooling system. I’d already spent over 10k on engine, diff gears, all new Savy aluminum dbl adjustable control arms, there really was no going back after buying the stroker.

I blame the second shop as much as the first maybe more. Everything I wound up doing were things I’d opened my checkbook and told them to do, including replacing the transmission which they didn’t do either. It was a continuing story of just one more part should do it. So i own a 200k mile 2006 TJ that’s basically new, but if a valve job on the stroker will help me reach my goal I guess that works, it actually is a great Jeep. But she’s been like that high maintenance girlfriend you should break up with but ya just can’t seem to actually do it.

6 hours ago, nuggetmaster said:

When I first seen the post I was gonna say get a jeep as I thought your were looking for a recommendation. Lol. But now I see. Have you went thru and really cleaned all the grounds, frames, blocks, batt. I went thru and upgraded to better cables. I love my jeep but ya the fuel economy sucks, always wanted to do a diesel swap

 

 https://www.jeepcables.com/products/xj-big-7-complete-kit-cherokee-87-01

After I got the Jeep back from the shop I’d hired to put in the new engine there was a lot undone, main ground strap I found hanging from the frame unconnected, but didn’t replace the cable itself. I checked what grounds I could find but only replaced the battery terminals with some from auto zone, (I know jeeps hate stuff from auto zone) thinking that part had to be an OK substitution but maybe not, I’ve also got a blade cutoff on the positive terminal I’ll remove when the new terminals go in. I make it sound like it’s a bad shop but they do really good work when they do it, the owner of the shop did an excellent job regearing and he did a bang up job eliminating the cam bolts from the front suspension replacing it with Double adjustable control arms and a bomb proof fixed bracket, but he was busy (they had the Jeep for months) and his helper finished off the nontechnical install work (kind of) my first year was replacing sensors, radiator with factory,  and everting else roughly another 20K worth of stuff…Tranny, drive train, etc.

Thank you, I followed your link and ordered the set for the 2006 TJ since all the wiring is original to the Jeep, hope I can get to everywhere I’ll need to, the Jeep is deceptive it looks like working around the engine should be a breeze but in reality it’s just the opposite, taking an old design and filling it with the assortment of parts, hoses, misc smog stuff and other junk makes it so you can only get one hand into a lot of places that is if you are not holding a tool. The battery is an expensive interstate the largest I could fit it’s under a year old.

crossing my fingers.

2 hours ago, dirtman said:

Hi Art, that's a beautiful Jeep you own 👍 ( I drove it, experience speaking 😁)

I lost track with your explanation post.

Did u say you just have a Check engine light ON ?

Or your experiencing running problems with the light on ?

Hay Frank, good to hear from you… last year I could go at a minimum a few days without the engine light after your resistor trick,  the resistor is still way better than the scan tool, The frequency of whatever is returning faster which I hope makes it easier to isolate, but yes just the engine light basically, it runs fine
 

I never thought I’d consider replacing my Jeep, it’s pretty damn good off road and for the most part a decent driver, lm also into it pretty deep after replacing almost the entire power and driveline, but the little check engine light is a moving target that’s getting the better of me. I even broke down and tried a shop in town that swore they knew jeeps and could track down the issue no problem. So I took it in and a $1000 later it had a new intake/exhaust gasket and everything checked, they swore it had an intake leak… what it does have is the same check engine light, although it runs great and the wide band fuel ratio looks within range?
 

It’s strange, I have two computers (three counting the original unit) they both trigger different mil codes, the tuned one with reduced fuel trims gets bank one and bank two O2 slow to respond codes, the untuned PCM triggers a misfire on cylinder 6 that occasionally in addition flashes indicating it needs immediate attention driving slow or if stopped at a light that will go away entirely driving a minute or so at higher RPM. Resetting with a scan tool clears the code for a short while, using a resistor to the battery ground and disconnected positive terminal completely drains the PCM capacitors and the MIL codes stay away for longer but they still come back.

I have replaces all the O2 sensors, all the other sensors, injectors, plugs, rewired part of the power distribution center according to the TSB instructions, swapped the coil rail with a spare, checked fuel pressure and installed a fuel pressure gauge 60# at idle and I have a spare factory fuel pump I bought while they were still available, installed hood vents and heat wrapped the injectors and injector rail smoke tested it for intake and exhaust leaks, pressure tested the exhaust cats and run a compression test on all 6 cylinders. Everything looks normal using my scan tool but fuel economy sucks but for the most part that’s normal except the computer compensates when the MIL thinks there is a problem and the fuel mileage gets a little worse I think, gosh I am even very proactive with oil changes religiously adding a Zink additive to protect the cam and lifters.

im going to give this another shot when Vegas cools down, pulling the throttle body giving it and the TP sensor a good cleaning with another compression test and a check of the timing marks at TDC to see if I’m missing something?

As my patients wear thin that new CAT truck basic model with the diesel engine is starting to look attractive at 45k, anyone looking at this truck? I don’t really want to part with the money right now, I’d have to sell some gold and my gut says I’ll regret it but geez that CAT seems like the perfect ride that might hit all the boxes. 
 

what thinks yea, or any suggestions on my Jeep… it could be I need a better tune on the PCM to make the stroker engine happy, but pulling my hair out is giving me bald spots, lol.

With the z link it is important to have the control side of the headphones on the same side as the detector and to keep your body from blocking the signal as much as you can swinging the coil, as well as setting the control box inline with the headphones or Z link adaptor as much as possible recovering a target according to Garrett. 
 

personally my favorite combination is the Z link adaptor along with the old wired Bose ear buds but the ear buds are out of production and second hand the price last time I bought one was about double what they went for new.

Simon, I’ve had trouble with two of the Minelab 6000 coils the 17” was very touch sensitive minelab replaced it with a new one no problems after that and the original stock round mono coil cracks in the ears also replaced without further issue.

I’ve also had two NF coils the 12” on the 7000 and the NF 6000 coil both of those have been fantastic coils smooth running good sensitivity. My stock 7000 coil was without issues and my coiltek gold hawk for the 6000 has been trouble free. 
 

All 3 of my axiom coils have also been trouble free, and seem to perform as expected.

Insurance map

12 hours ago, flakmagnet said:

I was up there years ago with a bunch of people. We headed out into the woods to detect in this area we all wanted to try.

I had been there before and knew about the mosquitoes and asked everyone if they wanted any deet spray before they took off into the woods. "Nah" they all said, implying real men didn't need that sissy spray stuff.

Twenty minutes later I heard shouting in the distance as a few of the gents came sprinting out of the woods waving their arms in the air and yelling for that bug spray stuff.

I don't know why, but it's one of my favorite memories of detecting up there. Those things are for real.

 

My grandparents shared an old miners log cabin with other relatives next to the turnoff to… I don’t want to say  cause it’ll out the area lucky posted but a road runs to some lakes next to the driveway to the cabins. It’s in a meadow with a trout stream and a field of tall grass the cabin is still there.

we were sitting in a screened in porch when a family came walking through the property carrying a couple fishing rods. They made it about 50 yards into the meadow… no need to post no trespassing signs the skeeters were thick as fog an more than ready for lunch, it was the same thing they high tailed it back to the car, don’t know how they avoided their own hooks swinging as the ran.

20 hours ago, HardPack said:

Fire and floods were no strangers to the mother lode. The flood of 1862 alone would rule out Jackson Creek. Numerous historic town fires throughout the mother lode would point to burial. The old foundations were often stacked slate rock not always mortared, allowing for recessed hiding. During a remodel of an old bank building the vault door was found locked. Finally after a locksmith was hired to open the vault door the wall covering of the interior was removed exposing why folks buried their gold. The vault wall was constructed of poorly mixed cast concrete to a height of 3 feet, above that the vault wall was wood-framed of rough sawn lumber. If only we had tapped on the wall higher up at a far earlier date. Have you considered sharing your story with B of A for the purpose of seeking permission to drift under their parking lot?

Other than the area that matches the description from the saddle ridge hoard as much as it could with so little to rule it out completely, I always felt walking up Jackson Creek and looking for something that stood out as a landmark was my best shot. Problem is while easily accessible it is off limits posted no trespassing private property. 

The area circled in red would be my starting point.

At the time I didn’t see why who ever owned it would give me permission to look when they could look themselves if they knew and I was not ready… that’s the hard part knowing who to trust or how much to say

No, I did run a detector over it more than 10 years ago but to build the parking lot I’m pretty sure large amounts of soil would have been excavated..

On 7/10/2024 at 5:21 PM, Chet said:

I think this is close by lol.

Me too, I love that part of the county I’ve seen those glaciers hold ice all through the summer… hope you had you bug repellant them skeeters are voracious at night. 

9 minutes ago, HardPack said:

There still is an old boarding house with a restaurant on Jackson Gate Road that served the needs of miners. Many mother lode cathouses were not shut down until 1964 by direction of then governor Edmund Pat Brown in opposition of both ranch hand and logger. Most of the miners hired for the day were paid off at the end of their underground shift. The wages were barely enough to cover the daily cost of living, the real money was made by high grading up one’s arse. Merchants traveling from their place of business to their residence were often relieved of their day’s receipts by a transient day worker not happy with a career as mucker. The business owners who did not reside in or over their place of business often had tunnels drifted from the basement to basement to avoid the side streets. Cathouse madams did not travel far from their cut of the take. A covey hole cut between the floor joists hidden under her bed would allow her to at least identify the thief. Folks with gold in any form would not be incline to hide it out of sight or reach, wherever under the residence or in the yard.  Where was the Jackson family home?

The family resided on the 3rd floor of the Broadway boarding house it was lost to a fire in the 1940’s or somewhere around there. I never thought the boarding house property was a hiding spot there were to many eyes about. He found a safe spot walking distance, but not too close a double ring is where to hunt the spots open then and open now avoiding inside the inner ring and hunting the open spots from inside the outer ring.

it is fascinating reading the digital newspapers from the time, I’ve learned a lot from the stories. My grandmother was a avid bowler, when I saw the insurance diagrams of the structures I understood why, I sure she spent countess hours hanging out playing in the basement ball alley.

my great grandfather also had money stashed in  another businesses vault a friends shop, but when he died that money had mysteriously vanished.

2 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Sounds like you have a good story worth writing up, but since we've lost the treasure magazines most of us grew up really looking forward to devouring each month, I don't know where that would be.

Your comments were actually great observations a lot of viewers im sure are skeptical and if my story can’t stand up against those questions it’s not a good story, all comments unfiltered provide a more complete picture.

when posting this one of my tests was what to expect in negative comments, I really didn’t know but a little before my post someone paid to be a charter member and then posted his story on the lost Dutchman mine… it was brutal, they even kept the thread up because everyone was having so much fun, lol. So far around 500 views and not many comments but no negative ones, a good sign?

8 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

For starters, his attempt to tie his great grandfather's gold to the Saddle Ridge Hoard doesn't add confidence in his credibility.  Jackson is ESE of Sacramento.  According to the Wikipedia article I just linked the Saddle Ridge Hoard was found in the Shasta Cascade Region -- significantly North of Sacramento (an hour's drive to its southern border).  There are more issues with this claim, particularly its size (in face value), but let's leave it at that.

The more one has to twist a story, particularly settling on lies, the harder it gets to accept.

Hoards are really tough and research is probably more important for this form of treasure hunting than any other.  Did the hoard exist?  If so, has it already been recovered?  If not, is it even in a recoverable location?  The list of 'gotchas' is considerably longer than this.

If someone is going to take this tale and have even a slim chance of success, s/he is going to need to do a lot more objective research than this person has presented.

 

Haha, this person is me… I’m not saying anything more than because everything is kept secret I can’t rule it out, there are things described and I know the basic location in Jackson where a hoard was lost that could fit. Wikipedia  is conjecture like the rumor it was found in Auburn. As far as I know 3 people actually know the location and they haven’t talked, where ever the information came from about the finders location I can’t locate or validate a source fact is almost everything posted about this from the couple that found it could be just smoke. 
 

my grandmother told this story often, her dad doted on her playing with the jars of gold coins never wavered. How much did he make? How much can you make mining the miners, food and lodging in a large boarding house, serving food and drink running the theater restaurant, bootlegging and running a brothel? there were a lot of girls, my grandmother collected perfume bottles and ribbons from the ladies and these are just the business I know of.

I can’t say how much he made but those business can be lucrative I think?

im posting because I come to the conclusion I’ll never find it but I’m pretty sure you can draw a fairly small circle around the area and if we can rule out saddle ridge there is a really good chance it’s still out there, I always thought he would have gone south on Jackson creek someplace but that’s ranch land private property  but the major area that is unchanged from 1901.

everything I posted is backed up from direct knowledge from someone that was there, newspaper articles and county records. But I don’t have  pictures and video, some will only believe that and it’s their right to feel any way they wish.

I don’t know one way or the other, obviously I think it’s possible and I’d doubt the finders story even if I wasn’t chasing a dream I absolutely don’t think they found it on their property. They acted nervous the day they found it and I think they have been nervous ever since trying to protect their secret. Wikipedia says they are no longer together so I see cracks in the concrete, I just need one big enough to fit a little pry bar in… maybe then I’ll get a view of what lies Beneath. If it’s still out there, maybe I started a treasure hunt but if it was found in Jackson then I’d at least know what happened and the mystery wold be solved.

I have wondered about this for years, researched as much as I know how, but doubt I’ll ever solve the mystery on my own. So I figured I’d go public on the off hand chance some new information comes into the light. A lot of speculation but again a lot of things seem to fit. Anyway I’m hoping some super sleuth can connect enough dots to solve the puzzle one way or the other… who knows?

Link to Treasure net

https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/lost-gold.699588/

I think the Axiom has interesting capabilities and the salt mode with the mono coil picks up a small gold test nugget on a dry lake salt pan surprisingly well with very little ground noise. The double d worked too but with the characteristic groan swinging the coil and the iron check did not seem to perform as well in salt mode, the one time I tried it. 

22 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Not knowing 'when' it would have been lost would be a problem!

I don't know how many days it would take the Manticore, 7000 or Algo to find it.  I might have to take off the coil like I see in some of the bench tests and rub it on my fat belly.

Is this a new market?  Medical device marketing ...

Doctor:  Get a Manticore for that Sticky Situation!  Send it home with your patients.  Hearing is believing.

OR

Before you flush it ... F-Pulse it!

Mitchel, you just need to break out the ol’ pinpointer next time… when my sons dog was a pup she swallowed a few things, one the plug end of some usb c cord. The vet said to just keep an eye out for it, I took my trx and probing around her belly I could follow it for the couple days it took.

One variation of the long life symbol

combined with the lotus, good luck and long life