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The 5000 is a powerful detector and if you learn it’s language the subtitle differences in the way the audio report changes over a target you may be able to tell with some success what it is saying this is iron trash, or that is an aluminum can but not 100% accurately hunting gold is difficult it sounds like a lot of things depending on a long list of variables all non Ferris metals can and do at time sound like a gold nugget, sometimes iron too. trash in an area tells you the targets are not all gone and some may be what you are looking for and trash can overwhelm you too at times. Early gold miners lived where they prospected the packed stuff in, they did not pack most of it out and you are confronted with all of it it driver experienced operators nuts digging trash after trash many days in a row. The great strength of the 5000 is it can ignore many of the minerals in the soil (PI detectors in general)and gold lives in areas of high mineralization but unless you have listened to it for years you will not have the benefit of speaking its language. The 5000 is very tunable to conditions but the learning curve is very steep you don’t learn a new language in a day(s) same with the 5000 and as mentioned it has many coils to choose from that’s another thing to learn what coil is best for the conditions, but a skilled operator can make it sing. Now the 5000 has been around for some time and in the hands of skilled operators you as a new user are going to follow in those same footsteps but for a while not understanding it’s language at a big disadvantage, the new detectors bring new tools and have very small differences, they are easier to operate… are more powerful, 40% more powerful the 7000 claims, the 6000 better at tiny gold, the axiom more stable and some iron discriminations good at small gold too the 6000 and axiom are easier to swing, they are less complicated to operate. My first gold detector was the 7000 it’s easier to use than the 5000 but it’s and overweight corn fed beauty. These things are why experienced detector operators  buy new technology for thousands of $$$ looking for the missed gold. Starting out with the gpz 7000 it took me 6 months to find my first nugget it can be discouraging. PI detectors are dig it all machines as much as you can. Jewelry, coins and relics have fewer variables  coins are consistent in shape and composition and they have discrimination you can cherry pick but have difficulty  where gold lived and why most everyone has both.  But you are very lucky, here our host one of the most knowledgeable in the world at this we do here who has compiled the most comprehensive resource on every detector you can think of, read and understand his words and that will bring you the 100% you seek and much joy as you take your journey.

learn, appreciate where this takes you and you will find success in the friends you make and personal growth… and some gold too, enjoy the journey that is the real treasure.

The 5000 is an excellent detector as are many other detectors available and you will get many good opinions here, you want to find gold and hunt for coins, jewelry and hunt relics the 5000 will do that of course as will as other detectors. If you could tell us a little more about you and your situation, general areas you want to hunt, your experience using a detector and do you have locations in mind you plan to hunt and the type of gold people are finding you will get information more specific to your needs, also your budget how much is your limit and do you have local dealers for support and training. Have you thought about two detectors the types of items you want to hunt for are different and different detectors work better than others in different situations. Good luck in your endeavors.

I have both and they are more alike than they are different both are lite weight and easy to swing all day long, my time using the new Axiom is  limited so I’ll limit my comments on performance to the fact they both hit on the tinniest of targets, the 6000 is ahead for now in the search coil selection but the 6000 coils I believe are chipped the Axiom I’m actually not certain but I think are not time will tell if the Aftermarket coils for the Axiom get an advantage but not yet, the iron check and display may give the Axiom an advantage but I have not used it enough to understand what it is telling me enough to trust this feature but over time I hope to. I did get a chance to operate the Axiom in an extreme environment  looking for meteorites in a dry salty lake bed where I’m told metal detectors are seldom used if ever due to the salty ground a visual identification method and a magnet stick is the preferred collection method. Trying the Axiom in salt mode to my surprise it handled the conditions with ease. Firing the Axiom up first time in the salt I doubted it would be effective but there was just the slightest groan swinging the coil side to side and in less than a minute it hit on a target not a meteorite but a fine 1” long piece of wire it will identify targets in these conditions. Next I set a .3g test nugget on the dry salty lake bed and the signal air testing was as clear in salt mode as it was in fine mode in the gold placer. I was focused on finding a meteorite in a area I’d never before hunted and not comparison testing so never tried the 6000 but think it would have struggled as the fine, normal and large Axiom modes all overloaded blanking out trying to hear a target in these conditions. I hunted a few hours digging a couple dozen targets mostly bullets along with the assorted bullet shells and tiny pieces of wire a few of the 22 slugs were 4 to 5 inches deep hit loud and would have been detectable deeper I’m sure and there is little doubt it will if id put the Axioms coil over one I’d hear it but I was just not in the right area.

Jasong, really interesting thread and like you say it’s only as good as the information it is given access to I would imagine the quality of the answers expands exponentially on a very steep curve as the AI learns. Lucky for us we have had access to something much more powerful for years and it will take some time for AI to catch up if ever…

we call it Steve H.V1.0

I could see needing a drone to get the gold out of China, but in??? I’ve flown into Shanghai and other cities in China from the US a dozen times and never once had anyone have any concern on anything I brought in through customs. If they were trying to avoid taxes on the gold or something similar they could have done a number of things… belt buckles… a big ol rodeo belt buckle, long as no one tried to pick it up, lol.

6 months found it at rhy patch 

10 years back I was exploring around some club claims above Sierra City and snapped a picture of gold lake or what I was pretty sure that was the right name the lake basin area has a lot of small lakes concentrated in a small area. I used the picture as a basis for another try at painting and doing a search for gold lake images a picture from the 1940’s showed up from the same general direction but a little higher up the hill than I’d stopped to take mine.

The angles are not exactly the same but enough the hills and shore line are pretty similar considering I was only roughly following reality. My picture was a gloomy day too way darker than I painted but cool I think some mining operation was being explored back then too and we both paused to admire Gold Lake, lol… but think of the gold out there in 1948!

Anyway, my second attempt at trees

My out metal detecting series Gold Lake, lake basin California.

On 3/19/2023 at 3:01 PM, Beeper Bob said:

My old stomping grounds Santa Rita Flats Mazourka canyon.

Bob, that’s a beautiful place to stomp around it was cool watching the jets buzz the canyon too, someday be nice to get back for another look around.

On 3/18/2023 at 11:17 PM, 619_805_okie said:

Here's some artificial intelligence detecting art i queued up! Imperfect but fun!

Wow, cool… any story?

Funny you should say that, lol…

a friends son came to spend a few days with us in Vegas last week and I gave him a meteorite. My wife suggested making it into jewelry so I polished a large window and drilled a hole to string it and she did the rest making it into the necklace.

It’s likely prices have only just begun to drop, recreational items, cars and boats and as Rob points out expensive metal detectors are not moving the reasons don’t matter that’s a discussion for someplace else, but if a repackaged 7000 much lighter without the chip were released at what is a competitive price to the Axiom and it was profitable for Minelab to do so  Minelab could sell one to every nugget hunter out there just about and do this in just about any economy. cause if it gets as bad as history has recorded this ain’t nuttin, it might take something like a $4K ultra light 7000 just to keep the doors open?

It should be pretty clear to Minelab what customers want, it’s not too late for them to put the 7000 on a diet and get rid of the chip. A 7000 weighing equal to the 6000 with a belt mounted control box using Bluetooth and open to outside coils would quickly put everything back in Minelab’s home court.

8 hours ago, Tom T said:

Thanks Art… that’s the one that caught my eye. I already have a corded harbor freight grinder but will probably be adding a Makita fairly soon because I’ve started replacing all my battery tools with the Makita 18/36 volt system…I already have 6 batteries…. Here’s a pic of what I found on the property… there’s tons of mineralized float quartz here and an abandoned mine at one end. The gold is about the size of a grain of rice.

I’d say nice looking rocks and good find you are way ahead in this game picking out a mill will be the easy part I’m pretty sure they’ll all crush rock. I don’t know just how fast you are going to  go through the ore if you have a lot of it these little mills are more for sampling.

I have this one;

and power it with a cheep harbor freight corded right angle grinder. The grinders held up fine so far as has the little mill, I’ve no doubt my cordless Makita would power it just fine.

the bearings and everything’s replaceable and the steel is thick enough to hold up and will powder the rock although to get it all to powder you need to screen it and make a couple passes through the mill.

here is the eBay link

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353373950334

No word from our new friend in China, he’s located near the border of the Middle East and China or there about anyway I would guess the internet was unreliable, interesting anyway and good to know bringing a detector into and out of China is not prohibited. And artifacts are part of a cultural heritage where ever and just like so much jewelry found by members and returned to owners posted here my guess most would find pride in getting a ribbon a once in a lifetime Kodak moment, then get drunk and tell stories, dinners are usually long and the Bi Jo flows free,lol.  My little poke of nuggets has no value anyway I have no intention of selling any I’d be fine with pictures and memories of the experience. 

You got me digging in my old tool box, is the tip copper? Then I’d say for sure it is an old iron, it also is shaped like it could be used to rig sails and splice rope?

that’s a quarter next to it for size comparison.

On 1/22/2023 at 1:47 AM, 中国 张 said:

Northwest China, along the Altay Mountains/Tianshan Mountains/Altun Mountains, Xinjiang/Gansu/Qinghai/Tibet/and near Kazakhstan. I am in Urumqi, Xinjiang.

Thank you for the reply, if someone wanted to buy a detector Axiom, 6000 or say Gold monster? A pick like an Apex or similar and some type of plastic scoop the basic stuff someone might need what is the cost for those in RMB, or dollars? How do you assure authorized equipment? Are these sold in shops by dealers on the internet, both. We would be interested in your experiences, not finds or locations only information that you are comfortable. Thank You

On 1/20/2023 at 8:18 AM, 中国 张 said:

Thank you for your attention to China's detection. It is true that detection in China is more complicated. There is no clear regulation that prohibits the use of metal detectors, but the things you find will belong to the country. If they are rare and expensive, it will be more troublesome, but if they are common items. , or you can keep it yourself. Anyway, if a good thing is detected, you have to hand it in, otherwise it will be very troublesome, and no one will care if you keep the low-value item. China's current detector market is still good, XP, MINELAB, NOKTA, GARRETT, and other brands have market shares. In my area, there are many gold detectors, minelab, GPZ/GPX5000/6000 monster1000 XPorx Garett 24K, basically these are the main ones. Recently introduced, NF Z-17*13 inch coil, and coiltek HAWK coil. Looking forward to their perfect performance. Share it with everyone! Thanks! !

谢谢大家，指导关注！！

您對中國的金屬探測非常了解，您熟悉新疆的位置嗎？

On 1/20/2023 at 8:18 AM, 中国 张 said:

Thank you for your attention to China's detection. It is true that detection in China is more complicated. There is no clear regulation that prohibits the use of metal detectors, but the things you find will belong to the country. If they are rare and expensive, it will be more troublesome, but if they are common items. , or you can keep it yourself. Anyway, if a good thing is detected, you have to hand it in, otherwise it will be very troublesome, and no one will care if you keep the low-value item. China's current detector market is still good, XP, MINELAB, NOKTA, GARRETT, and other brands have market shares. In my area, there are many gold detectors, minelab, GPZ/GPX5000/6000 monster1000 XPorx Garett 24K, basically these are the main ones. Recently introduced, NF Z-17*13 inch coil, and coiltek HAWK coil. Looking forward to their perfect performance. Share it with everyone! Thanks! !

谢谢大家，指导关注！！

You mention many gold detectors in your area, if I may ask in what part of China are you?

2 hours ago, phrunt said:

I wish I was an octopus, GPZ, GPX Nox, 24k, manticore, CTX ect all at once I would quadruple my finds easily. 😁

China has outstanding ancient history and beautiful architecture.  A detector users dream land.

My little Octopus will be over there in a couple months I should have some idea what the score is… then, wink, wink, nod, nod, say no more: (Monty Python).

A few years back I had a Jade website, the blog discussed Jade and ceramic art, one day cruising google rabbit holes I found an entire page from my blog used on a China tourism travel website… China, a likely tag word, guess they read what we (all of us) write I’d guess?

I think Simon nailed it, but  the shaft is ropey and the coil appears heavy…

On 1/17/2023 at 5:13 AM, Swegin said:

Thanks for the photo's.  Any idea what is written on that big rock you two are standing next to?

Swegin, The rock quotes Confucius, “Heavy rock lift with your legs not your back,” and the sign warns “park at your own risk, wild monkey area”…

No just kidding sorry, actually the rock has written on it an old Chinese proverb about an imaginary perfect world and The first sign is a tribute to an ancient Chinese god Fuxi, this is Fuxi canyon, and no I can’t read it I had to ask.

googling Fuxi Canyon, I was surprised to learn that is a major tourist attraction rivaling the Grand Canyon even complete with its own skywalk, although on my friends property we didn’t see anyone our group was all alone. This is the same general area in and around Xinmi, but some distance away, the stone quarried there at my friends mine is called Xinmi Yu, Yu is the Chinese word for Jade, Yu is also fish or Octopus depending on context or inflection. My Wife’s name is Zhang Yu, “Octopus.”

 Ha… she’ll like that, there must be some interesting things to detect around those temple buildings Im certain no detector coil has ever swung there, old coins at the very least and the coins would be keepers I’d think.