1515Art

5 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Can't swear it ever made a difference in my use in the U.S., yet I always used it as part of my tune up routine. Maybe it helped and I simply don't know it. Long story short, it can't hurt, might help, why not? You want to own the most expensive nugget hunter ever sold, best performance possible.... but that one little thing is just too much?

You want one Art, I have an official Minelab Ferrite Ring, appropriate blessings applied, that I will mail you for free. Just PM me your address.

Steve, thank you appreciate the offer, I’m no longer a 7000 owner this thread was more for the buyer of my 7000, I sent him one of docs and he on his own bought one I’m not sure what one he ordered? But thank you

Thank you JP, the definitive answer from the guy most closely associated with the facts. I found the para cord wrap all the way around incasing the ring made it impervious to breaking from carelessly throwing it down (my first unwrapped suffered my abuse) but no amount of wrap was sufficient for my senior moments… you still need to pick it up.

microphone drop…

My experience in the one time I participated in removing 6” to a foot of soil from known patches hit dozens of targets… unfortunately all a byproduct of the equipments blade and bucket, lol. Words of wisdom from our benefactor.
 

Are there areas if you have desert property you would concentrate search effort in the  terrain more likely to hold deeper gold? 

Well, I think I’m lucky then my 11” coil is not excessively noisy and I had a bad 17” that really was unusable. The 17 was fine the first or second time I used it then developed stability problems and extreme touch sensitive so I have some comparison to go by it sounded with anything it lightly touched. It exhibited its nasty ways as soon as the repair center tested it and was replaced very quickly, the customer service center was excellent in my case and I had my new coil in just a few days. Someday I may grow to like the 12DD but I have not needed it for where it is best suited making it the heavier coil I’m not that fond of.

40 minutes ago, phrunt said:

Yep normal EMI, I'm fine with that and expect it.

I'm so happy with the 14x9" I've ordered and paid for the 10x5" now too.  Still keeping my order for the 2 smaller NF's though.

Simon, I ordered the 10x5 yesterday and should have it in a couple days, I talked to Rob yesterday and he was planning to test the 10x5 today in some monsoon impacted washes so I’d expect to see something from him soon, and I’ve yet to see a bad youtube report for all the concern it would be unstable packing all the windings in such a small space it seems it is not a problem, I but I doubt I’m adding anything you are on top of this much more than me. 

43 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Like I said previously, we are not going to see a step change in capability without moving away from Induction-based technology.  It's pretty much tapped out and all we are doing is polishing a cannonball while adding bells and whistles to it.

Sorry if I’m restating a view previously expressed, not my intention… I picked back up on a thought from last night that needed more time in the oven before it was ready to slice and serve, only skimming new entries.

At the risk of demonstrating just how little I know and understand any of this discussion l believe that it would be possible to build a detector capable of seeing and interpreting accurately signatures from an unknown object and identify through this a gold nugget or any other object, but I suspect not by doing the same thing as we do now gathering  data in the same way we always have.

A larger database of more of the same information is constrained by its own limitations, much like determining an objects color from looking at a variety of black and white photographs at different angels and different resolution it can tell you only so much the color always a guess interpolating an answer from incomplete information. The current state of the art technology is well exploited, refined and developed advances are baby steps bringing improvement fine tuning information the same way it’s always done even GZP is a signal timing differences not that different from PI I suspect just processed slightly different.

We will need to add something new to the game, we have one finger now pointing at the ground, VLF, PI and GPZ  our black and white images from these technologies all see objects but due to the variety in objects  their relative location in the ground  the state they are in even within the same element cause so much overlap the best we can do is guess. New led old led, bits of led snow flake after snow flake all looking similar all different. The technology works amazingly at what it does just separating an object out from a huge volume of surrounding noise but something more we’ll need like looking with multi frequency only the frequency will need to gather clues from a different perspective that adds significantly different information?

OK, I have no idea of what I’m talking about and I’ll leave this to you smart guys to figure out, but I’m sure glad someone invented metal detectors.

Gold and silver have rebounded a little that’s nice to see, gold looks like it hit the floor at around 1700 and at 1775 heading into the weekend.

I and scores of detector users await your success, as pointed out the challenges are many the variables countless, just the gold alone returns different signatures depending on size, orientation, composition, density, surrounding minerals and trash, oxidation… the list goes on and on. But if you could pull it off the line to you’re door would be very long, and why large companies like Minelab invest millions of dollars and thousands of hours on research seeking the answers to those questions as we await the next new thing. Best of luck, for sure.

2 minutes ago, GhostMiner said:

How'd you like it?

The 7000, I though I’d never sell it, fantastic detector. For me it was a choice between ergonomics having both the gpz7000 and the gpx6000 both great detectors I was using the 6000 most of the time and when I’d grab the 7000 it wasn’t bringing a lot of difference. This release of the Axiom brings a couple things that I always wanted a more steady threshold and iron check, will the Axiom hit deeper than the 7000 I don’t care, but probably not. It seems all detectors have certain targets they struggle with and my aim is to play on the strength of the Axiom and those of the 6000 and cover the same ground in a different ear. The 6000 and 7000 both hit targets in similar ways, different but similar…the Axiom by all early reports by those I have no reason to doubt brings a different tool to the game, not necessarily better just different.

25 minutes ago, klunker said:

Posted February 3, 2020

  I'll give you folks my method of ground balancing with the ferrite. It works well for me but maybe not for everyone. Start by setting the ferrite ring on the ground where you are certain there are no targets. Stand the ferrite on edge and orient it North and South  (Australians and New Zelanders may have to orient it South to North). Step away from the ferrite a few feet and ground balance the detector. Now your ready to go find gold! Don't forget to pick up your ferrite ring at the end of the day. I would love to have anyone come here and demonstrate that ground balancing with the ferrite ring in this area makes any significant improvement.

I couldn’t agree more… so, I’ll just say, yep.

3 minutes ago, Rob Allison said:

Hey Art,

   Here are my thoughts, at least here in Arizona.  When the Minelab GPZ 7000 originally came out, with the first firmware update, there was no Ferrite ring included with the detector, nor was it available.  It wasn't until a year or so later, the Ferrite ring was included in the detector and the firmware was updated (new purchases or available to download).  

For 2 years solid, I found some of my best gold with the GPZ 7000 and never used a Ferrite ring.  I would just do the normal balance in the "Auto" mode and start hunting.  I actually found in my opinion some of my smallest gold and largest with the original firmware and felt later one after the additional firmware updates I was smaller smaller and not as deep.  This might just by in my mind, but I remember finding smaller gold with the stock 14x13 back then.  

I have used the Ferrite ring over the years and do carry one with me for the most part, but haven't really seen a huge difference using it vs. not using it.  

Now when it comes to Ferrite rings, they say the color ID's  the Ferrite ring.  However, some have claimed Doc's don't do the same as the Minelab one and I haven't found any truth to this.  I have even brought this to Doc's attention years ago, but I still have customers that claim the Minelab one works better than any aftermarket one.  

Just some thoughts on this.

Rob

Rob, thanks I felt the same about it as you and really appreciate your opinion the subject came up and I wonder what other opinions were, some of this because of the nature of what we do it feels like just being a good citizen and having good karma on they way to the gold fields can improve your luck. Having a good attitude makes a difference too.

4 hours ago, strick said:

I have lots of bones (none are fossils) but that’s not mine lol...pulled it off the net.. hope you are doing well..

strick

I’m still breathing on my own, lol.

I don’t have my GPZ anymore, but one of my last discussion on it was about the ferrite ring. The first shipments didn’t have one it was a later add on I thought more for some X factor that was an issue in the heavily mineralized soils in Australia. The 7000 was at times pretty unstable depending on conditions and the rings were shipped everywhere. It became a ceremony starting up the GPZ you’d do your act of contrition throw down the ring for a donation to appease the Devine spirit of the holy patch and spend the day praying for gold.

minelab later anointed us with an offering our first communion a spiritual update version XX and all was good in the kingdom of the fields, did we in the western kingdom need to continue the ceremony of the ring… or was it a habit that brought spiritual peace, for we had already reached salvation?

out of curiosity having committed first the sin of breaking my ring and then an almost unforgivable act of forgetfulness the omission abandonment the ring never to be seen again.

who among us, cast the first stone discarding the past traditions of our faith and ditched the ring and why, conversely for those finding comfort in the old traditions why, does it still bring you closer to the enlightenment we seek.

seriously, here in the milder soils of the untied states, does it help or do we use it because minelab gave it to us and it might make a difference, after losing my second ring I guess I lost faith and moved on not noticing a difference in the obstacles of my journey.

18 minutes ago, strick said:

Yo Clark it would be hollow on the inside (bone marrow) if a long bone...jasong knows his stuff...

strick

 

Cool bone, my wife’s opinion would differ thou. What’s it s story?

Klunker, I can’t remember a time I haven’t enjoyed reading your opinion right or wrong… I also can’t remember a time i thunk it was wrong looking back, your eloquence could as they say sell ice cubes to those living in climates requiring warm clothing and polar bear protection. I hope no polar bears are offended.

1 hour ago, jasong said:

I'm pretty certain it's a limb cast. I've found a handfull of them thinking it's also what you are diagramming there too, but every time I was wrong and it was ID'ed as a limb cast when I took it in to the museum and had the experts look at it.

But yeah, definitely get a 2nd opinion if you can. There is a natural history museum in Vegas too, they might have resident paleontologists like the museum near me has. A bunch of people sandblasting bones out of rock in the back of the museum, always seem happy to have someone walk down and show them something new and get their opinions, I've learned a lot from people like that. 

Mostly my wife was happy it wasn’t something scary like a bone, lol.

1 hour ago, jasong said:

I'm pretty certain it's a limb cast. I've found a handfull of them thinking it's also what you are diagramming there too, but every time I was wrong and it was ID'ed as a limb cast when I took it in to the museum and had the experts look at it.

But yeah, definitely get a 2nd opinion if you can. There is a natural history museum in Vegas too, they might have resident paleontologists like the museum near me has. A bunch of people sandblasting bones out of rock in the back of the museum, always seem happy to have someone walk down and show them something new and get their opinions, I've learned a lot from people like that. 

Looking at the limb casts it sure does, I think you nailed it. Jasong thank you

1 minute ago, jasong said:

It looks like what is called a "limb cast" to me, which is a piece of fossilized wood/branch. Google image search here. 

Limb casts can be palms, or all sorts of weird early trees/plants that don't exhibit the "tree ring" type growth we'd expect.

But it also kinda looks like fossilized antler too. I'd take it to UNLV paleontology department if you happen to be driving by sometime. I'm not good enough with fossils yet to really know specifics 100%, so I take a lot of stuff to the scientitists.

Anyway, whatever it is I'd say it's a fossilized "something". 

Thank Jasong, I confess seeing your Dino bone and it made me remember this whatever it is, for no good reason the shape always reminded me of a section of ulna bone. Could have been any animal too, tree palm antler root, UNLV’s a good idea if it’s anything worth their time I’d get an answer, if it’s not …that I’ll be my answer.

I’m not sure where this came from, I think we were in China visiting friends in a carving studio I don’t remember where exactly? 
 

but it sits a a windowsill with other rocks and to me it looks like bone but just a guess?

Anyone have a guess?

So I sent my 17’ coil in to have it checked and after it was connected to the coil test in a few minutes the coil became very unstable and extremely touch sensitive the coil was declared defective and a new 17” replacement coil is shipped and on its way.

Yep, nothing to be afraid of I’ve seen them eating their natural food on an air boat tour in Florida, marshmallows… cuz, well they live in the marsh, lol.

I hesitate posting this because sound quality is so poor I only recorded two short clips both with the 1g nugget. The dirt was too loose to allow slipping the tube all the way in this test adjusted for that is around 8” to 9” deep,  I couldn’t pick up the audio from this on my phone even holding the ear buds next to the microphone.

the sp01 is clipped to the back of the 6000 connected with a 3” cable and plugging/unplugging the cable toggled between it being just 6000 on speaker or 6000 with sp01 and ear buds, I have a speaker on order for a better test. The 6000 settings are auto+, normal, full volume, 11”mono. Sp01 settings in this clip mode 1, filter1 volume 50%, mode 2 filter 3 produces the loudest targets response.

6000 on speaker

6000 sp01

I did try and take some video the wind was a big problem and I couldn’t really pick up the sound off the ear buds on my phone I’ll order a cheep speaker on Amazon.

I gave this a try just a little way outside Las Vegas south of the city and the EMI was just about impossible using the speaker I could hear both nuggets the 1g and .3g at the same depth, the SP01 ran a little smoother and edged out the speaker alone by a 1/2” roughly on the .3,. the differences under these conditions were small but noticeable I could still hear both targets knowing that they were there but to me this was inconclusive due to the conditions. I’ll try this again one day next week taking a ride out to the Johnnie district where the results are more meaningful, but I think the SP01 will have an edge.

I did hang the filter off the back of the 6000, it didn’t make any difference on or off so OK, but again just the background EMI would mask any differences.