Raphis

59 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

I can only imagine my friend tearing his hair out if he reads this paragraph.   Because ... Dan ... we're not talking "mere tolerance to some chatter" here.   He pulled his headphone jack out to  let me hear what he was hearing.  And  there is no way in h#ll that any hunter can hunt (and get any depth on hard-targets) with that sort of chatter.     Something was/is definitely wrong, that is WELL BEYOND mere "tolerance" and "experience" levels.

The problem with you potentially coming up , to try this exact area, is that if the same thing happens to you too, you can write it off as an isolated fluke, on *just* that night or day.   It would be inconclusive, to where no-amount of getting spanked would  convince you.   I'd certainly love to try it though.  And from there, no shortage of other turf within 30 min. drive, with totally different flavors.

Tom, in my past 13 years of hunting a thousand parks/sites with my Explorer SE here in CA, I have only come across maybe 3-4 zones/areas within these sites where no amount of “tinkering” with my machine would allow me to hunt, given my ultra high EMI tolerance....that’s it!  An extremely infinitesimal statistic!  It’s a “way of life” down here to hunt many old, inner city, blighted parks with ratchety sounding EMI...and so far, in all the sites I have hunted with my Nox (which happens to be spots that I have hunted countless times in the past with my Explorer), I have not noticed any worse conditions while using my Nox!  In fact, I would say the Nox allows me to hunt some areas with less bothersome EMI than I had while hunting with my Explorer....I think this is because of the advantage of the Nox’s ability to lower the ferrous volume (in addition to very low non-ferrous signal volume), while hunting all metal (wide open)....Something you couldn’t do with the FBS machines....

......but if, as you say “there would be no way in hell that “any” hunter could hunt in that type of noise”  you heard in your buddy’s headphones, then I have no explanation for you...maybe I would then have to bump up by 1 my infinitesimally small occurrence of unhuntable ground since I’ve been hunting with ML machines

56 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

   But truth be told, he might  simply be more into relicky  sites and demolition.   He's not in love with turf as much as you and I enjoy turf (the strategy, the challenge, etc....)

Also, my primary hunting partner  (also a Nox fan) is simply not into turf.  He's a relicky-site guy (stage stops, etc...).  But on the other hand, he will swear up and down that the Nox will be superior in turf. 

If someone hasn’t been pounding turf as long as you have with your Explorer, no machine/person is gonna “spank” you! 🤣

Thats like asking some amateur to get in the ring with Mike Tyson!  Not a very smart move!

Hunting trashy/EMI infested turf isn’t for everyone...it requires years of patience, persistence, perseverance to become “One” with the turf to pop out oldies/deepies beyond mere mortals!! 💪🏼😆

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Dan, If you think the SE and the II are identical in ability, then you are breaking ranks with many long-time respected Explorer experts.   Like our mutual friend Ron.   The SE takes more coaxing to get a TID.   Whereas the II tends to get to the hint on the "first pass over it".   We can agree to disagree on this.  

I would agree with you that an original SE with stock “slimline” coil was insubordinate to that same SE with a ML Pro Coil, or even the original 1050 Explorer II coil, but that’s as far as I will concede.

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And no, I don't doubt your tallies.  So-too is there no doubt someone out there with an Ace 250, who can likewise boast astounding results.   But we both know that we would not attribute it to the machine.  We'd attribute it to skill of user , and locations of hunts.  

Hunting down here in our So Cal trashy parks with with a person who has used an Ace 250 for 10 years would not bag you more oldies than a person who has hunted 10 years down here with a Minelab machine...and if one remained hard-headed and didn’t want to switch to a Minelab machine where I hunt, sure, you would get a few oldies here and there, but it won’t even be close to the same person with the same time put in with a Minelab Explorer, SE, Etrac, CTX l, etc....49 out of my 50 buddies who hunt turf here over the past 13 years use a Minelab machine to hunt turf.

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PS:  Also I forgot  to  note on the previous post that there was a singular half-block section yesterday, where all of the sudden my explorer was stuttering/static as well.  But I noticed when I walked a bit further away, it started purring again.   Versus my Nox friend, who had stutter NO MATTER WHERE HE WALKED. 

 

EMI tolerance from one treasure hunter to another is definitely not equal!! Some hunters can definitely hunt in higher EMI than others can!  The brain of one hunter can still tell target from false signal at much higher noise levels than another hunter can...

29 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Dan you say :  "...this was before the V3 update had come out."

I'm glad you added this final sentence to your paragraph.  Because for a moment, I thought you were going to try to say that this duel-result would-be-the-same, regardless.  But since you added that last sentence :  Then I'll hold-open the hope that my buddy's horrible results were the result  of  the V3.

Tom, I’ve been hunting with V3 update a couple days after it got released, and I have not noticed anything different with my machine, with regards to EMI, than I did before the update !  

You’re making a false hypothesis in thinking V3 handles EMI worse than 2.1.12....with only a single hunt at your site.....even though your buddy’s Nox seemed to worsen while hunting the same spot as he did before hunting there....the “variable” that you will never be able to normalize for successive hunts there is the EMI, even at the same site hunting it 10x in a row!  If your buddy regresses back to 2.1.12 and hunts your spot in question 10 times, and all those 10 times the Nox is more manageable than that one hunt he did while using V3, then one may start to investigate if V3 did something with regards to frequency shifting in Multi, but I highly doubt this..

29 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

But this doesn't solve the dispute/debate on whether or not he can spank an Explorer, with NO v3 update.  All we can do is for him to take off the v3, and do  a re-match.  But at this point, it's sort of pointless.

Has he “spanked” you before with his Nox in any turf???  

29 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

As we are both now assuming that this area, is *simply*  not suitable for the Nox, no matter WHAT the settings, and no matter WHO the user is.   If you disagree, and think the Nox can spank the Explorer II here, then  bring it up 🙂

And I  don't doubt your personal tallies improved when you made the switch.  But .... I'm not so sure that the SE is the same as the II.   They had differences, as you  know.
 

Now you’re just being silly!!! 😹  No Explorer II has an advantage over an SE Pro....in any turf!  Certainly, if I had found this to be true, are you saying I would have found 6000 silvers and 40,000 Wheats instead of 5000/30,000 that I found over my 13 years with my SE? 😅. You will fail miserably in trying to convince me anything of the sort, so don’t even try to do that...🤔

29 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

....6" is a cake-walk for explorers of any incarnation

My  sens. level on the II was 18.   I'm not sure if that corresponds with the scale of the SE pro or not.   
 

I never needed to run my Explorer over 23 sens (I did many comparisons on mybSE over the years on optimal sens), and rarely ran it below 17...

29 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

You say:  ".... At most of these sites I’ve been hunting with my Nox, I’ve managed to pull many more silvers/wheats."

With this quote, I can imagine my friend "pulling his hair out".  It is what I predicted that , sure as heck, someone (with the V3 update, no less) could/would say "You're not doing it right", or "you must have the wrong settings", and "you need more practice".   Trust me:  For a good 5 hrs he tried everything in the book.  And to the extent that he could make one of my signals come in, yet, that was the moment that when he went to swing anywhere else, a symphony of chatter, that is indistinguishable from the signal he just coaxed out of my flagged spot.   Doh !  

So you would NOT be able to convince him that ANY Nox user (not even the mighty Dan) is going to magically come by and get a totally different result.   I would love to see my friend's face, when he reads this quote of yours.  

I wish your friend had been down here the day my buddy’s Explorer was “choking” on EMI , while my Nox was still able to pull oldies/deepies!  If I felt the Nox was anything “less” capable than my Explorer, I would have sold it in a heartbeat and continued using my vintage, trusted, beloved machine!  

29 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

1 hour ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Hey gang, a buddy and I got back from a turf hunt in San Francisco yesterday.  Him with his Nox 800 , with 3.0 update, and over a year now of experience under his belt.   And me, with my Exp . II.

Tom, I’ve got a buddy that had his Nox for two years now, and he suffers terribly in finding deepie coin signals with either his Explorer SE or his Nox when the EMI is bad...here’s a perfect example of a situation/hunt where my Nox was spanking an Explorer SE......about a couple months ago, me, with my brand new Nox (only a few hrs under my belt) and my buddy with his trusted Explorer SE (years of hunts under his belt) are detecting in a high EMI zone...My buddy got so frustrated/aggravated that he couldn’t decipher a deep target in this section of park that day, while I was digging a 2 Rosie spill and other various deep wheats in this heavily pillaged Park.  The EMI at this site that day was pretty bad!  My buddy let me listen to the audio of his SE, and it was horrendous...even me, who has felt “at home” hunting deepies in EMI infested areas for years, would probably have had issues had I used his SE (or if I had brought my SE).  My Nox, on the other hand, was not nearly as noisy as his SE was...I was hunting in multi...this was before the V3 update had come out.

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When it came time to trade off flagged signals :  I would show him various wheaties and/or silver.  He could only pick them  up if he increased his sens. to moderately high levels.  Which, of course, left him helpless the moment he swung anywhere else (ie.: chatter and beeps everywhere else too) .

The opposite happened to my buddy (SE) and me (Nox) that day I wrote about above....So, your Explorer was purring like a kitten the whole time during your hunt? Not a hint of EMI? What sensitivity were you using on your Exp?

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So all he could deduce was that it had something to do with the 3.0    It didn't matter that he switched to multi-mode (such that he's not opting for any of the new features that 3.0 offers). 
 

I have been going back to sites where EMI was a real pain in the ass when I was using my SE. My other buddy (Jamflicker) had also experienced high EMI on his Etrac at these same zones at these sites we hunted together.   At most of these sites I’ve been hunting with my Nox now for the past couple of months, I’ve managed to pull many more silvers/wheats.

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It is just something ingrained / hard-wired into the new update, that has now affected this EMI issue vulnerability. 
 

I doubt it...EMI is the variable!! It can be downright nasty at times, then somewhat manageable in the same area you’re hunting....

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Final tallies were :  Him :  4 wheaties and a silver roosie.  Me:  24 wheaties, an IH, & 7 silvers  (6 silver dimes (mercs/roosies) and a war nickel).  

To be fair, we *could*  conclude that these horrible 3.0 results *only* manifest itself at *just* this one location.  We could try other parks in low-rise districts that don't have the cell/radio/electrical/EMI issue.  
 

Has there ever been a time at a site you’ve hunted where the EMI rendered your Explorer useless (even to you, being a master level Explorer hunter)?  Even though my Nox will snap, crackle, and pop due to uncontrollable EMI (no noise channel will squelch it, while in multi or single freq), I’m still able to decipher the deeper coin signals to the same abilities that I could when I used my SE all these years! I find myself doing noise cancels just as frequently with my Nox (maybe even more so because auto-noise cancel is so much better/faster on the Nox than it is on my SE).

All Bluetooth devices don’t automatically have the Qualcomm aptX low latency codec.  The headphones have to support it thru additional hardware/firmware...

The stock ML headphones that come with your Nox do have the aptX LL circuitry and will have audio lag in the low 40’s milliseconds (highly desirable), as opposed to regular Bluetooth, which will have latencies well over 100 ms, which is very noticeable when you wiggle your coil over a target.

Those headphones will not be very good for detecting, unless you’re using the WM-08 module with them....if you want to use wireless headphones without the WM08 module, you should get a pair that support the Qualcomm aptX Low Latency codec.  Without the low latency, standard Bluetooth audio will be way too laggy (for me, it certainly is).  The aptX LL circuitry significantly lowers the audio delay by a factor of 3.

Yes...It’s 3.1.3....the previous version was 2.1.12.

34 minutes ago, Badger-NH said:

Thanks Steve, I may have to read that a few times to fully understand it. 

From what I've gathered so far, it appears that the Equinox GB numbers do not directly carry any useful information about the make up of the soil and should not be used as a reference to mineralization levels.

Is that correct?

https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/13400-another-nox-ground-balance-question/?do=findComment&comment=134273

Chase made a reply to me and a couple others about what you’re asking last Wednesday.....click the link I just copied/pasted.

18 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Multifrequency brings a lot to the table, but I am glad that ML saw fit to give us many single frequency options on the Equinox.  Wish they had provided one single frequency mode, at least, to the higher end Vanquish and adjustable ground balance.  Would have closed the features gap to the Equinox 600 but at a great price to performance ratio.

....and adjustable noise cancel...without having to re-power the machine back up

That’s a very good, educated guess, Chase!  
 I will 

46 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

..... So the iron bias filter relies on the fact that you are hitting the ferrous target with multiple frequencies and it is interpreting the results of the target response to make an informed guess as to whether a detected non-ferrous signal component is simply part of a ferrous target........  But bottom line, it needs a multifrequency transmit signal to be able to do its thing, so it is not operational in single frequency.

Sounds like a very good, educated guess! 👍🏼
I’ve already committed that to my memory for future reference...

Thanks....

1 hour ago, Chase Goldman said:

Yes, Dan, that is the way to do it.   

Note also, in single frequency, iron bias is no longer present at all as a setting.  

I like this clean new single frequency mode, so may make greater use of it as an interrogation mode.  Especially useful for a high conductive target hunter such as yourself.  HTH

Chase, I asked this in another thread just a few moments ago, but why (in more technical terms) is Iron Bias not applicable to single frequency modes?  Why is IB only a “filter” for Multi-freq operation??

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

 

There would be a difference even if 4 khz was part of the Multi spectrum, because in single frequency all of the detector's transmit energy in put into the 4 khz but in multi, the transmit energy must be spread across multiple frequencies.

Chase, question for you.....why is Iron Bias only functional in Multi-freq mode?  What are the roadblocks ML couldn’t incorporate this??  This question has been perplexing to me....🤔. If I had the ability to use a low F2 IB with a low single frequency, it could be a deadly duo on the Nox for deep silver and other higher conductive old coinage....and similarly wouldn’t IB be just as valuable for someone using a high, single frequency mode?

Update: Thanks for your plausible, best educated explanation on this topic in the other thread! 👍🏼  https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/13436-equinox-saving-personal-program-800/?do=findComment&comment=134638

4 kHz is not part of multi-frequency....it’s just a single frequency.

One thing about the video that you may not have noticed, is he was using Park 2 detect mode on his machine, which, on Multi freq mode,  is more internally “higher” frequency weighted...that means Park 2 mode is more suited for small jewelry/gold and other lower conductors.....Park 1 Multi is better suited for high conductive targets (lower frequency weighted), and would be a better mode to test for deep silver coinage.

User Profile question...

If I were to utilize the User Profile feature to only toggle 4 kHz mode from my Park 1 Multi settings (thanks Sinclair for that suggestion), one would need to ground balance and noise cancel this User profile first before using it in the area a person is detecting??

I also wonder if User Profile utilizes the internally weighted frequencies and predefined ground balance maximizing algorithms of the detecting Mode you saved there (i.e. Park 1, Field 2, etc) ??  On second thought,  I imagine if you saved a single frequency (4 kHz) in the user profile, then the info I described in the previous sentence wouldn’t apply...because those internal stored features for each Detect Mode are only applicable for multi-frequency mode...Hmmm 🤔

I like this utilization of the User Profile (if I wanted to toggle 4 kHz freq),  since I couldn’t come up with a reason to utilize User Profile on my machine yet.
 

You may not like the answer I’m going to give you, but the Nox 800 doesn’t have multiple memory banks where you can store multiple instances of the same detect mode Profile.....On the 800, each detect Mode has 2 search profiles (i.e. Park 1 and 2, Field 1 and 2, Beach 1 and 2, Gold 1 and 2).  The 800 also has a User Profile feature that allows you to save all the “local” settings of the current active detect mode...This allows you to save your local settings and recall them back whenever you want to for your current detect mode you’re using....Also, when your User Profile is activated, any changes you make to your local settings will be saved to the User Profile......refer to the Nox 800 manual for what constitutes a “local” setting, as opposed to a Global or Semi-Global setting.

To tell you the truth, I’ve been using Minelab machines for the past 13 years now, and I haven’t needed to save programs with any of my machines, except for a special smart find (Discrimination) screen that I saved on my SE Pro, and utilized only when I came across super hot, mineralized ground in the areas I detect at....On the Nox 800, I haven’t used the User Profile feature....not sure I ever will...

Hello, Tom and Steve!

Tom, you’ve already lost the shootout, because there’s no way possible you’d “spank” both Steve and I with our Nox’s! When Steve and I tell you the Nox is more proficient at finding deepies in trashy turf than an Explorer can, you better listen!  
 

I’d love to come up for a hunt with you, but I’m gonna stay put where I am right now...gonna ride out this pandemic surge and stay local.....no trips or staying with others for a while....Sorry Steve, the “OK Corral” shootout must be postponed...even though I don’t need any more time to tweak/fine tune my Nox any further 😆

In the meantime,  we most certainly can be involved in plenty of discussion based on our objective, learned detecting experiences spanning decades in CA. No conjecture...😉

.....and if I thought an Exp II would have given me an advantage over my SE Pro, I’d have swapped my blessed machine 12 years ago...I have never felt “short-handed”...I always feel I have the advantage on every hunt I’ve ever been on! 🤓

HH,

Dan 💪🏼💪🏼

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

4 khz just happens to be less likely to line up as a harmonic of 50 or 60 hz electrical systems vs. 5 khz and gives you a fighting chance of finding a quiet, "low" frequency channel for silver slaying.

BTW - thanks for providing the link to the EMI article.  Good summary.

Chase, isn’t 4 Khz a harmonic frequency of a 50 Hz powerline?  5 KHz doesn’t line up very well with 60 Hz power lines either..

Even if I’m operating my machine around 60 Hz electrical, 4 KHz is no more a harmonic frequency of 60 Hz than 5 KHz is...hmmm

Also, the noise channels increase/decrease operating frequency a little over 100 Hz with each setting...wouldn’t that ensure harmonic frequencies would be less problematic?

21 minutes ago, 57buick said:

I understand that doing a balance for the ground your on will give you the best balance and thus depth in that situation. But does say -3 or 78 have any "theoretical" effect on depth or something? Im totally overthinking it im sure.

There are no stupid questions...only stupid people who don’t ask for help because they think they know it all already 😂

I think the ground balance numbers are simply telling you the level of mineralization in the ground (i.e. how hot the ground is).  Higher numbers are an indication of higher levels of mineralized ground...In my areas I detect, I’ve only seen a max ground balance value in the 20’s....but I’ve seen other YouTube videos where a Nox’s ground balance number was in the high 70’s.....In other words, you shouldn’t decide what ground balance number your Nox wants to be at for the given ground you’re swinging on...the machine should decide the proper ground balance for you to get the best depth and less falsing of signals in the ground....

3 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Has anyone commented about cell phones and the need for the 4 kHz frequency?  Perhaps that is THE reason to get something other than 5 kHz?

There are numerous sources of EMI. My cellphone is attached around my waist while I detect, and I have not noticed any erratic issues with my machine, even though I have read that noise can be generated by cellphones in short bursts that can affect detectors....cell phone frequencies are in the Megahertz bandwidth, while detectors function in the kilohertz bandwidth...so I would think that cellphone communications wouldn’t greatly affect metal detectors to a degree that other sources of emi can.

Go and read the article below I found about EMI and metal detectors.

http://www.metaldetectingintheusa.com/files/explanation-of-emi.pdf

18 hours ago, 57buick said:

Ive read hundreds of posts about ground balance but what I want to get clarification on from Steve or somebody is this.

When you say you mostly manual ground balance do you mean you just start at zero setting and just raise the number up till its stable? Am I understanding that correctly?

Also, Am I right in thinking zero is the best depth in general an the more you have to raise it the less depth you theoretically get?

The best depth you can achieve with your Nox with respect to ground balance is when you’ve normalized your machine to the ground minerals in the area you’re detecting at. Whether that be at a value of -3 or 78, etc.....it depends on the minerals in the ground.

I don’t like to do a completely “manual” ground balance...I prefer holding in the accept/reject button while pumping my coil up and down a few times (in an area of ground that is free of any ferrous/non-ferrous targets), and letting the machine arrive at a ground balance value after it has normalized the ground with the air.

I also think it is more beneficial to “not” leave your machine in “auto-track” mode when you detect in highly trashy turf.....with auto tracking on, your machine will be trying to normalize the ground while the coil may be over a conductive target.

I don’t use my Nox at the beach, so I can’t tell you if auto-tracking ground balance would be beneficial in that environment, but I’ve read it can be...with varying amounts of black sand at specific beaches

Congrats on your finds, Mitchell!  EMI is a strange beast!  It can come up all of a sudden, and be a downright nuisance!!  There’s hardly a park I can go to around me that doesn’t have some level of EMI....

HH,

Dan

1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:

In other units, that's $300 or 600 bank rolls.  Have you ever sorted by date & mintmark.  I wonder if you can (or already have) filled the 1909 Whitman folder.  I think Gerry in Idaho accomplished this feat with his MD finds.  Again, to someone who's been coin collecting for 60 years that is mind boggling....

Here in CA, we’re blessed with many S mint coins...so I have found lots of S mint teens wheats....just last month, I found another 1909 S wheat.....I also have 5-6 vdb’s (also ‘08 S and ‘09 S Indian pennies), but the ‘09 S vdb penny still eludes me...that I know of lol...those zits on the early copper coins are more times than not in the places the mint mark and vdb Mark is located.

Not yet sure what to do with my wheat pennies...

5 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

From page 52 of the User Guide (what I like to call 'operating manual', but Minelab has its own terminology):

By 'silver coinage' are you including modern (clad) coins??

BTW, welcome, Dan.  If you like discussion of technical topics (with some ligther discussions thrown in for entertainment 😁) then you've come to the right place.

Thank you, GB, for informing me about IB not being active in single freq modes....I do recall reading about that a while back, but somehow that limitation slipped through my long term memory 🤓

when I say “silver coinage”, I mean all US dimes, quarters, Halfs from 1964 and earlier (90% silver coinage), along with wartime nickels (1942-1945), in addition to any foreign silver coinage I may find....I don’t count sterling jewelry in my yearly silver coin counts......my wheat penny count is around 30 thousand coins over the past 10 years...I had a long running avg of 3-4 wheat pennies per silver coin found....I never posted my “clad” coinage on the forums...just the “Oldies”.....but the Coinstar machines know me well..I can’t even factor how much clad coinage I have cashed into those machines...(I choose Amazon gift cards instead of cash vouchers to avoid paying the 10-12% fee). I do find a lot of clad quarters and dimes....I dig all quarter signals, but my dime/penny signals have to be a certain “Oldie depth” for me to recover....there’s just too many in our parks here to dig all of those signals

29 minutes ago, Dances With Doves said:

Dan , you are smart enough to know having both those machines is a plus.My  explorer friend loves his  Nox too  .I had a explorer but it died about 5 years ago and I found plenty of silver too. I did not  find as many as you did in a year though and I got it in Jan 2000.I did get over 500 one year  because of a coin spill of over 400 coins for me.247 is my record for regular drops.Had a lot of good  explorer  hunters around here who    vacumed      up many coins.I am shocked you don't miss the sun-ray probe.That thing was fun.

Yes, I was “married” to my SE for 13 years...Haha!! However, my beloved machine will be sitting in its detecting case in the garage, and won’t be coming along with me in the car anymore.....The Nox is just amazing me everyday I’m using it! Sure, the inline probe was pretty nice!  I went through 6 of them over the 13 years....I bought a few new inline probes (probe only, no switch box) from Ralph about 7 years ago, when his stock was down to nothing..

I was averaging 500 silver coinage a year for a good 9 years....my best year was 794 (2015), which blew me away because I started pounding/pillaging my locale back in 2007 with my SE.

16 minutes ago, Dances With Doves said:

Are you the silver coin  master that Tom from California talks about who uses a Explorer ?     

You found me already ☺️

I just joined this forum after many years of being on a bunch of forums and posting my finds.

Tell Mr. Tom Tanner when you chat with him next that I’m on this forum now and I just purchased a Nox 800 a few weeks ago, and I am having a blast with this machine!!  I’ve already found 40 silver so far with my new Nox (at sites that I’ve hunted countless times in the past years with my Explorer SE)...Tell Tom I feel the Nox is a superior machine to my Explorer SE (He’ll probably cringe at that statement, but he’ll believe me...). Don’t get me wrong...I have found a mountain of silver, wheats, Injuns, etc with my Explorer SE pro....but I finally bit the bullet (after 13 years), and picked up a Nox!  I’m so satisfied with this machine!  It’s weighs nothing compared to my SE w/inline probe..I never thought I would say this, but the Nox is superior in depth at trashy sites (especially at sites with nasty EMI), and can locate deep targets co-located with iron better than my SE...I also enjoy hunting in all-metal now(couldn’t do that in conductive mode on my Explorer), no threshold, with Iron target volume set low.  I thought I would miss my Sunray In-line probe, but I don’t miss it one bit!

I won’t be posting any finds though...I was posting finds across 4 different forums for many years....I much prefer these types of discussions boards with a good mix of highly competent/knowledgeable treasure hunters, along with a good mix of hunters with a willingness to learn more and become better TH’ers!!

HH,

Dan (aka Raphis/CAPTNSE)