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Well out of likes, but thanks for the information and discussion guys.

So even if the MI-6 is VLF, it performs exceptionally well in my hot dirt and iron scrap loaded relic sites. It is way more sensitive to tiny targets than my F-Pulse (PI). When I get to a beach, it is usually in east or west coast Florida. In my experiences there, I only use a pinpointer to chase tiny jewelry that slips through the scoop or to locate a target that disappeared in the hole. I previously used the F-Pulse (PI) and ProFind 35 (VLF) and didn't notice a problem with salt or black sand falsing at all, so I would expect the MI-6 would perform the same.

So far the only real differences I've noticed between VLF and PI pinpointers is that the PI pinpointers go a little deeper, but the VLFs can hit tiny targets the PI misses.

Happy Hunting! 😎

I'm out of likes, but those are some awesome finds, Steve, and that silver buckle is gorgeous! Well done!

I'm not tying to cause drama or challenge anyone's information, I just read conflicting information and was trying to sort it out for my own edification. I haven't had a chance to use the MI-6 on a saltwater beach yet but if it will perform as well as my F-Pulse there then I'm happy. I suspect it will.

I own both the MI-6 and the Fisher F-Pulse.

The manual for the F-Pulse states:

Technology: Pulse Induction, bipolar, fully static
Pulse rate: 2500pps, 4% offset adjust
Sample delay: 15us

The Manual for the MI-6 states:

Search frequency 12kHz

technology VLF

So this is what made me curious about posts saying the MI-6 was PI. Has the MI-6 been changed to PI technology, but the literature has not been updated yet? Or is there a MI-6-II coming out?

It's not necessarily a big deal to me as I love my MI-6 and use it exclusively with the D2. I use my F-Pulse with other detectors and as a back-up to the MI-6 with the D2.

It does seem to me that the F-Pulse is a bit deeper in my mineralized soil than the MI-6 though. My inquiring mind just want to know. 🙂

Great finds, Jeff, well done!

Another awesome hunt, F350, and congrats on that silver button, that's amazing! I have a new respect for buttons since reading your posts. When I first got to relic hunt, I wasn't impressed with buttons, but now I have a new appreciation for them and have found some older ones relative to the history of the relic sites I hunt. One day I may get back east to hunt for some really old ones. Well done again!

Congrats on a great hunt, rod-pa, and on the awesome fings, well done!

I've been trying to find out if the MI-6 pinpointer is pulse induction or VLF. There is nothing specific in the manual except under the Technical Features section it says the MI-6's Detecting Frequency is 12 kHz, which makes me thing it is VLF. Am I wrong?

Congrats on the gold rings, well done! Yes, that Nox and the 10x5 coil is a killer combo!

7 hours ago, NCtoad said:

Here’s what I’ve been using for the past 4 or 5 years.  I’m on my third one now.  The other two cracked about a third of the way down from the top of the blade.  However, I get a LOT of usage out of them before they crack.    I really like the inverted V tip f the nomad.  It holds on and cuts right through a root instead of glancing off to the side.  

Plus 1 on the Nomad. I have a small Letsche shovel. I bought the Root Slayer Metal Detecting Spade to use in wild relic areas and it works great, but it's a tad heavy.

https://radiusgarden.com/products/root-slayer-metal-detecting-spade

Then I bought a Root Slayer Nomad for my wife to use in the garden and tried it out in the field detecting and never gave it back so I had to get another one for her. It's holding up well after a year of abuse and it's lighter than the Metal Detecting Spade.

https://radiusgarden.com/collections/root-slayer/products/root-slayer-nomad

For the prices of the Root Slayers, if I break one it's easy on the wallet to replace, but I haven't broken one yet.

In parks and lawns where I live, shovels are a big no-no, so descrete hand diggers and kac's mighty Park Probe are my weapons of choice.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314188535565?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=-5lIdJmkRTe&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=C9pH38O6TWK&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Since it is only transmitting radio waves, the diameter difference of the wire shouldn't affect performance. I saw a photo somewhere and the sticky thing was used to hold the remote end of the wire on the top of the shaft directly behind the remote. If the detector is not fully submerged it should work with the puck or the remote. If diving, it would function best attached to the top of the full sized remote. 

4 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Welcome to the forum. 🙂

I dig next to no iron at all in square full tones. I have often dug a good target with co-located iron. I set discrimination at 0 and notch is off. After digging most everything for a while I can say with confidence and from experience that I trust this method.

Aluminum also makes a different sound, so I dig less of that as well.

Anytime you change settings radically on a detector you should dig everything until you are confident with the result.

I must agree. I'm testing a modified Fast program in PWM Full Tones on unmasking in iron. I check all targets with the same set up with Fast in Pitch and and Deep HC and I'm hearing something very different going on with iron sounds in Full Tones and in some cases better IDs. I don't know what it is yet, but I'm still looking into it. 

Hey TexHunter, all the best from another Colorado hunter. Before you sell Deus 2, you should try the "WS Master" set up.

As palzinski pointed out:

"Deus 2 with 9" FMF coil S stem   ( WS6 headmount or wristmount )  =  26,8 oz"

There is is nothing lighter or easier to swing. It might be a good way to keep on swinging. Just some food for thought.

Here is a good discussion on detector weights by Jeff McClendon (another Colorado hunter)

2 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Great hunt!👍 A lot of hard work.

What are iron core coins?

Many UK and Canadian coins are now made of copper or nickel plated steel. 

2 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Hey NC, 

The WSA II headphones have a puck, it's smaller and removable. I have 2 pairs of them, only because I wanted a backup and to pair one each to my 13" rig with SteveG's shaft and the WS6 Master rig.

You don't have to do that, the WSA II backphones will pair to both at the same time.

I always thought the WS6 backphones were a bit funny looking 😀 one side way bigger than the other. The WSA II doesn't look as bad. 🤣

A trick I have especially in these cold windy months is to wear a beanie cap, it presses the backphones against my ears. Keeps my head warm and reduces wind noise. 👍 It will get really bad in March, may wear over ear then. Sometimes. 😁

Having that situational awareness is essential where I live. I also really like the backphones. 🙂

I have not really gelled with the WS6 backphones, but have ordered a pair of the WSA II backphones to make a WS Master rig with them and the WS6 puck on the shaft for warm weather use. If I don't like them, I can always use the WSA II puck with my plug-in earbuds. 😉

I will add that I've had a Nox 800 for 3 years and since I got the D2 almost a year ago, I haven't touched the Nox, primarily because I wanted to thoroughly learn the D2, but also I've had no desire to use the Nox again at this point.

Also, I had the opportunity to test my D2 with the 9" coil on targets in mineralized park soil that a friend of mine was hitting deep with his White's TDI pulse induction machine and I hit them all. He would only call me over when he had "a deep one" but I have no idea how deep they were. They were probably on the edge of detection for the D2 and still sounded good enough to dig but the ID was iffy on some of them.

I'm pretty sure that the designs of new detectors, like most products these days, are heavily influenced by the marketing departments. For new products to have the most mass appeal, you need to dumb them down and make them appear as simple to operate as possible. They're trying to attact new customers and not necessarily more experienced customers.

Looking at your masterfully mocked up photo, I'd go for the one on the right as would probably all Nox users, but for most people new to Minelab or new to detecting in general, the one on the left looks much easier to operate and not as scary to a noob.

Of course if they did put out the 10 button on the face version, I'm sure Minelab would be inundated with complaints of the control face being too cluttered or people complaining that they hit the wrong buttons all the time because they were too close together. It's pretty much a no win situation for manufacturers these days, so I think they just go with the most cost effective versions they can get away with.

6 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Thanks Cap'n, for some reason the silver keeps coming. It's the easiest metal to find, but it hasn't been for me until I got some new permissions. Best found randomly where you wouldn't expect it.

I bumped reactivity to 2 in that spot, may have something to do with it. There's a lot of iron and junk around where the house was, even more in the old garage area.

They must have had a Ford Model T or two in this garage. Dug a hubcap (my avatar) here along with a couple of valve covers that look like screwdriver handles.

Love your photos too, Bob, it's refreshing to see green ground this time of year. 🙂

5 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

What a great story! 🙂

I stayed home on Valentine's Day, gave my wife this and she loved it. For years she's been loading up silver and gold charm bracelets with charms that reflect our lives, she even got a silver toilet paper charm during the "pandemic" 🙄.

Brilliant hunt, someone beat me to it but I earned two of those AAM's in the Army, one was given me in the field by a Brigadier General. The second was in the Middle East (Turkey) for latrine duty above and beyond the call 🤣 The medics were gonna condemn our field latrines so I mustered a group of soldiers and we told poop jokes all day while disinfecting and restoring them.

That's one of the many great things about detecting, finding incredible jewelry for our better halves, and often it saves the day. 👍 You earned that medal! 😀

Thanks, F350, I love that charm and your stories too! 🤣

8 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

OK, so in this configuration the WS6 puck can be used solely as a wireless audio receiver (connected 'wirefully' to headphones/earbads) at the same time as the (cellphone sized) 'remote' is located on the shaft, displaying information such as VDI's.

Do I understand this correctly (finally)?

That is correct, GB. You can also do the same thing with the WSA-II headphone's puck. The only difference is the WSA-II puck does not have the stand alone remote control capability of the WS6. It is just a wireless receiver.

Wow, you're hot on the silver trail once again, F350, congrats! And you got a shield nickel too, well done! 

Congrats on the silvers, Compass, and that Seated Liberty dime is quite a prize, well done!

Correct, any standard USB cable will work, however, XP recommends that the USB connection on the computer used for updates be USB 2.0 or higher compatible. USB 1.0 has worked for some people, but you want 2.0 or higher to be safe. You want Blue Black, or Teal inserts in the USB port. Here is what to look for on your computer's USB ports:

This page on the XP website explains some of the updated features and fixes:

https://www.xpmetaldetectors.com/en/ba/the-blog/deus-ii-v0-71-update-instructions.php