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The new BE mode with it’s effective 2nd GB maybe very useful for situations like yours, For shallower targets the Iron Reject works well and the audio is much more understandable. TID is better too. You don’t need high Sensitivity and a small coil will separate well. It is worth experimenting with.

That sounds like an educational & successful hunt to me.

Is it possible that it is a weathered piece of slag from an early foundry?

Exactly, bringing the target out of the Ground. I am finding limited benefit in my mild ground test bed so far with BE mode. In my red dirt mineralized test bed it shows more promise but the audio is not as definitive as it should be. I may just be trying to make it into something it is not supposed to be. Recovery does have a much more pronounced effect on the sensitivity of BE than the normal Park & Field modes. At Recovery 3 there is not much extra depth at all. 2 is noticeably better & Recovery 1 is even better. Even on a 12” Quarter you cannot out sweep the response. In Park & Field you have to be very mindful of over running the signal at 1 or even 2. The Iron Reject tone needs to be 3 to work on an average full nail at shallow depth. At 4 I start loosing audio on fringe targets, at 5 the whole purpose of using BE is defeated. I get no better response than regular Field mode without dt. The TID is not as sensitive or stable as it needs to be even on medium depth targets. If you use anything more than G Disc you lose the Iron Reject tone even on very shallow iron. That seems wrong. It is probably just me but right now it seems / sounds confusing & unsure. The DT setting for Park and Field is much more effective on deep targets than BE in both milder ground and in mineralized ground. It gives intelligent audio and the TID is good enough to be informative. It will stop me on my 12” Quarter and will touch on my 15” Half Dollar. I can make use of that. Hopefully there is room for improvement in the BE mode, or it maybe me that needs to improve.

In doing a little Bench test last night I find Recovery Speed does have a larger impact on BE mode than the normal Tone ID modes, at least in air testing. The overall sensitivity, audio & TID, (in air) is less than the Tone ID modes also on small coin size targets. This may change in mineralized ground. Audio Gain level also has a big impact. This is very reminiscent of the Gen D on my Anfibio Multi. I never could get it to run as well as the normal Disc Tone ID Modes. It just seemed weak The At Max All Metal mode, the MXT Relic mode, Tarsacci Mixed mode & the Rutus Versa Dual modes are much more sensitive and very usable in the field, I still question the absence of a Threshold Tone. It is an important adjustment on the other detectors mentioned(except the Tarsacci). The same for SAT. One thing I will have to remember about BE mode is that the Disc setting acts a a Tone Break and TID block. With the Iron Reject tone, that is really 3 tones to keep up with and how the mode functions & reacts is a pretty good shift from the normal Tone ID modes. I will get on the ground more with it next. I also want to see what the Versa's EMI Preview screen will show for BE mode TX frequency.

I have both books. They are excellent and just as relevant today. They went a long way in getting me started on a solid foundation.

I have been trying to put in as much time as I can on my old swim park site as the window of opportunity is closing fast. The last few hunts have been concentrated on areas the D6 dozer has scraped off the top soil in leveling the site. It is amazing what the removal of 4-6 inches off the top changes. I have dug a fair number of additional targets, all at mid depth to fairly deep. So, 4-10 inch targets + 4-6 inch top soil removal = 8-16 inch original depth of these. I thought this to be instructive. What has surprised me is that of these additional targets, there have been 3 separate pairs of coins next to each other. The first, a V Liberty Head Nickle & an early Buffalo a foot apart, the second, an IHP & early Wheat Cent about 8 inches apart. The next day was my third pair, a 1907 O Barber Half Dollar, and exactly 5 feet away, a 1918 S walking Liberty Half Dollar. This struck me as being pretty neat. Then I realized that each pair are consecutive issues. I think that is really neat. Maybe I can find the other 3 pairs.

That is a good catch TSS found. Something that slipped by XP that needs to be looked at. These newer feature packed detectors can sometimes be a scavenger hunt to figure out.

It is all interesting and it will be some fun to learn how to utilize these new features. I do not think BM is a "Cache" type mode. The response is too quick and there is zero overshoot in the threshold. I'm going to think of it as an improved Gen D which is a motion non disc type of All Metal channel with Iron audio. That will give me a reference to adapt from. I wonder how SAT is being handled? I need to play with Recovery on it too as it may very well be more important than with the traditional tone ID modes. The second Ground Balance seems odd, but would help considerably with Hot Rock/Coke response. I wonder if this idea is an off shoot from their ongoing PI development?

Maybe it is weighted lower after all.

I got V1.14 loaded just fine and have spent about an hour poking around both test beds. Dt does help some but it is not huge. 3 seems about right for me also. Higher settings add a lot of warble to the response. It reminds me of the EUD setting on the Anfibio somewhat, that and a hot rock offset. The beast mode does seem like an updated Gen D mode. It is very crisp at very modest sensitivity levels. It gets a little ragged if overdriven. The TID response should be better. That was the problem with Gen D. I assume it is a multi frequency. I wish Nokta would give us an indication of how it is weighted. If it is high like Gold Field M that would limit it’s usefulness for me. I would like something close to M1 or even M2 for all around responsiveness.. The Iron response adjustment works well at 2 or 3. All in all the update is positive. I hope Nokta will tweak it some more to make it really stand out. As it is, I could just as well use my Custom 4 tone set up for targets reporting as Ground due to mineralization. More time on it is certainly needed.

Very nice.

I am hoping we can get some additional description/clarification from Nokta on the features added in this V1.14 update, I am unsure if they put Beast mode under Gold Field because it is similar in some way or that is just were they made room to access it. Is it Multi? Is it Gold Field's Multi? Can you run it in M1, M2, M3? Is it Disc capable or only Iron audio shift? Hands on time will tell .

These new setting features seem promising, especially if working in mineralization. They remind me of Nokta's prior efforts with the Impact/ Anfibio Multi"s Gen D mode. A Multi frequency Motion All Metal mode for the Legend would be welcome if they have improved upon the older Impact/Anfibio version performance. Sounds like they have added a hot rock adjustment with the Deep Target feature. I will have to get my head wrapped around the button combinations with the help of Cliff notes. We are finally getting a rainy spell here so testing will have to wait a bit. I look forward to others thoughts & obdervations.

It must be like trying to choose the right pipe to smoke out of all your collection; the spirit just moves you to pick the proper one.🤩

Often times less is more. The maxim to run Sensitivity as high as stability will allow is good if you take all the site's factors into consideration, not just EMI. Things like mineralization, near surface trash density & depth of desirable targets that are diggable are equally important. If you only need/can dig 6" targets or if trash density makes TID/audio erratic, dial it back to get smooth, understandable operation. If you are in a clean, open field with little EMI & can dig to China crank it up. It all comes down to a balanced approach. You can gain confidence by testing 4, 6, 8, 10 inch & deeper coin targets with low sensitivity levels. It will teach you how much less is more than enough.

What frequency does that unit run? I assume it is quite high.

Welcome from East Texas. Don't forget to dig into your area's history as well as the fields.

Hi. Anything else?

Glad you were able to get out and have a good hunt.

Welcome from East Texas.

Interesting

Very nice finds. That is a good site. Must have been a prosperous homeplace. I just subscribed to you Channel & will view the videos as soon as I can.

I made a field demonstration video of the Rutus Versa on a difficult red dirt relic site. I wanted to show some of the characteristics of not only this detector, but common site conditions. There is plenty of minerals, iron & EMI. This is not about the finds or how easy a detector runs. I hope this maybe helpful to those working in similar conditions. Not pretty work, but perhaps useful information.

@midalake I sure hope you will let us know your impressions &thoughts on how the Legend performs in you tough conditions.