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Dutchman4

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    Upland Game Hunting, Rock Hounding, Nugget Hunting, Desert Camping
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    Fisher Gold Bug Pro, all 3 coils, Garrett ATX (sold), Minelab SDC 2300, Minelab GPX 6000.

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  1. I might be old school, probably because I am old, but for me I like to be in control of the high level intelligence elements. Sure ground balance, ground tracking, EMI elimination are great features to have and enable the detector and the detectorist to focus on the actual signals of interest but I enjoy training my ears and my mind to learn the sounds of a gold target vs trash or ground noise and it is this element of the hobby that gives me excitement, pleasure and joy. Each gold field can produce slightly different target sounds and again part of the challenge/fun is to learn those sounds and develop the skill to predict if a pre-dug target is going to be gold or trash. I still tend to dig most targets anyway but after a few hours of digging trash targets in a particular area I get satisfaction from knowing that I can reach a 90%+ probability of predicting gold vs trash. IMO it is this HUMAN intelligence skill that differentiates great detectorists from average ones. I do enjoy the convenience of technology for every day tasks but I have observed over my lifetime that as technology get smarter the human get dumber. After Velcro came out kids forgot how to tie their shoes. After google maps came out people forgot how to read maps. Even common sense has fallen by the wayside when you read stories of people that are so reliant on technology that they can't even solve simple every day problems. Sure the computing power behind AI learning can achieve things in hours or days that would take the human brain years or decades to learn but I will never underestimate to power of the human mind that is a result of thousands of years of evolution in the REAL world. Do you really want an AI based, all knowing, detector to reduce you down to the mere unintelligent functions of swinging and digging?
  2. I dont own a legend and cant mention specifics. I am only sharing what I know from troubleshooting electronic equipment for 38+ years. Only trying to help you narrow down the areas to focus on based on past experience with other equipment but I cant say that this would apply to your situation. I am only saying if you can easily reproduce the condition that you believe to be a problem/fault then a professional repair person should be able to evaluate and repair if needed.
  3. I will only add that software/firmware generally does not produce different results over time so if you get typical GB values after the software install/update then you should repeatedly get the same results, over time, under the same conditions. This makes me believe that your machine has a hardware problem or a drifting problem that creeps in after power up. If you can reproduce the problem repeatedly then have it professionally repaired.
  4. I agree that the price of gold is manipulated like everything else. Gold should have reached $5K/oz years ago if it was priced correctly to cover the amount of world debt.
  5. For boots I like the offerings from Merrell and have been using their boots for back packing, upland game hunting and nugget hunting going on 20+ years. I'm 62 now but in my 30's I used to backpack all over the southern Sierra in heavy all leather clunky boots and never complained until I tried on a pair of lightweight, breathable Merrell's and never looked back. There is a saying "a pound on the foot is worth 10 in the pack" and I can attest to that. I like to cover a lot of ground and explore new areas when nugget shooting so I prefer light fast boots. I like mid cut boots but some people prefer the extra ankle support and secure feeling they get from high boots. Breathable boots are usually not very water proof and only water resistant at best, even with treatments. I have tried gore-tex lined boots but the problem I have is that they run hot and your feet sweat and then get wet from the inside out. Most Merrell boots have little to no metal in them. The older boots were a bit tougher than recent years but I think that is the case for most everything. I use these for open desert nugget shooting and day hiking but might be too minimalist for most people: https://www.merrell.com/US/en/moab-2-ventilator/27947M.html?dwvar_27947M_color=J06011#cgid=men-footwear-hiking&start=1 I use these for upland game bird hunting and is just a mid cut version of above. Does have metal tab for top lacing. https://www.merrell.com/US/en/moab-2-mid-ventilator/27935M.html?dwvar_27935M_color=J06045#cgid=men-footwear-hiking&start=1 The also offer defense and tactical versions but I have not tried them: https://www.merrell.com/US/en/moab-2-8-inch-defense-zip-comp-toe-boot-wide-width/53627M.html?dwvar_53627M_color=J099371W https://www.patriotoutfitters.com/merrell-moab-2-tactical-waterproof-side-zip-8-quot-boot?PMOPV1=COY&PMOPV2=11&PMOPV3=M&PMSRCE=POPLA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgpL2_NK0-AIVEQnnCh0sEQ3EEAQYBSABEgIqJvD_BwE
  6. I'm not an expert in metal detector circuitry but I do have some background in signal processing and electronics and can add some basics. Metal detectors transmit a signal (TX) and then receive (RX) a signal back from a target response. The frequencies and amplitudes of those signals depends on the type of detector. The RX signal is generally very low amplitude so it has to be amplified first before it can be processed. The GAIN of an amplifier determines how much larger the output is vs the input to the amplifier and is generally by factors of 10x, 100x, 1,000x, 10,000x, etc. A good amplifier will not add any distortion to the original signal because any added distortion is undesirable. Once the signal is amplified it can be processed and analyzed. Filters can be applied to remove certain frequency components of the signal and this is another area that the designer has to take care to remove only the undesired components of the signal and leave the desired component intact as much as possible. The remaining signal can then be processed further to extract desired information and finally converted to an audio representation that the human ear can hear and interpret. In the old days all of this was done with analog circuits and it took some brilliant designers to get the best circuits possible. In the 1960's Digital Signal Processing (DSP) started to come along. DSP provides very flexible and powerful signal processing capabilities that would not be practical with analog circuitry. With DSP the same analog RX signal from the target is also first amplified but then it is converted from an analog signal to a digital signal by and Analog to Digital converter (A/D). This conversion process is not perfect and some very small errors can be introduced but this is minimal with a good converter. Once the signal is in the digital domain then DSP can be applied and the designer has many possibilities and algorithms to choose from to extract the desired information from the signal without the limitations of analog circuitry. Then the remaining digital signal has to be converted back to analog with a Digital to Analog converter (D/A) to provide an audio representation that the human ear can hear and interpret. This can all be done with with very compact and light weight microelectronic circuitry vs the heavy and large analog circuitry of the older technology.
  7. I have that particular Apex pick with the 3 magnet option and it is quite heavy for such a small pick. They also offer that same pick with a single magnet option and I now wish that I had bought that one instead for less weight and cleaner look. The Apex badger is one tough pick and seems indestructible but a bit heavy to me.
  8. My 6K was purchased new in Nov-2021 and I have had no problems with it other than the same problem others have had with the two shaft mounting screws, behind the speaker panel, coming loose. At first I was concerned if the 6000 was going to be rugged enough considering how light it is but mine has held up well. I actually prefer the light yet strong design concept for everything mechanical as long as it is engineered well. I spent 38 years in semi-conductor manufacturing as a maintenance tech/eng for high throughput automated test equipment. The older equipment tended to be more reliable because it was put together well. Also the older circuit board technology using "through hole" vs todays "surface mount" resulted in very reliable solder connections. It is the type of technology that took us to the moon and back many times. The newer assembly/manufacturing technologies are much more automated and can also be high quality and robust but relies heavily on QC inspections and testing to ensure there are no "Quality Leaks" if there is a quality issue on the production line. Ensuring quality takes time/resource/money but customers like Aerospace, Defense and Automotive demand it from their suppliers. It appears that the 6K is utilizing modern manufacturing methods but is lacking in the outgoing QC at the factory. With this perceived level of 6K failures it would behoove Minelab to perform a QC audit at the factory where the 6K is produced. QC is well worth the investment when it comes to protecting Minelab's reputation for putting out quality products and retaining customer loyalty.
  9. What Jason describes is common in some of our desert gold fields that have relatively flat and rocky areas with strong winds. It is one of the placer types and is called an "Eolian Placer".
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  11. I heard the same thing when I was there but the story kept changing. The first guy that mentioned it said it was a 1 oz nugget. The next guy said it was 2 oz. I asked if any of them had seen it and both said no. So now it is 4 oz. Gota love those expanding nuggets.
  12. Thanks for all the replies guys. I downloaded a Geology and Gold mineralization USGS report for Gold Basin and lost basin. I used that to pick two spots to hunt, one north of Gold Hill Mine and one south of Golden Rule Peak. Both areas had exposed quartz veins and pieces of iron stained quartz spread about. The ground phase readings on my Gold Bug Pro were in the range of 82 to 84, typical of other gold fields. I found very few trash targets once away from roads so that was a nice change. It either means there was very little trash (bullets and fragments) to begin with or it has all been cleaned out by metal detectorists. The area south of Golden Rule Peak has lots of dig holes so it looks like it has been pounded hard for many years. Not too many hot rocks in this area so I used my GB-Pro with the DP coil. The few hot rocks I did find had the typical boing sound and after digging a few, to see what they looked like, I stopped digging those. I did not find any nuggets but still recovered about a dozen bullets or associated copper/lead fragments, some very small, so it tells me that the GB-Pro was doing its usual job. On the last day I hunted another spot closer to Senator Peak (old volcano?) and many more hot rocks there so I used the SDC 2300 there. Also no nuggets but again recovered bullets and fragments. I am 5'10" - 150 lbs and the SDC is pretty heavy compared to the GB-Pro. I might look into buying or making a Hip Stick, like I did for the ATX when I had that years ago. Before I did any hunting I did some testing with the SDC-2300 by burying some targets in the ground at gold basin. I have BB size and #8 lead shot test targets. The SDC-2300 and the GB-Pro+DP coil saw the BB lead shot at about the same depth of 4 inches. The SDC-2300 did not detect the #8 bird shot at any depth while the GP-Pro+DP coil sees it at about 1.5 inches. I also have a small gold nugget for testing purposes. The SDC-2300 did not detect the gold nugget at any depth while the GP-Pro+DP coil sees it at about 1 inch. I dont have a scale so I dont know the weight of the test nugget. I have attached a picture of the test nugget on a dime. I read that the SDC-2300 is known for finding small gold so I it is not clear to me what the term "small gold" means. I just want to be able to determine if my SDC-2300 is just as sensitive as all the others or if it has a defect. So the restart of my detecting adventures are still the same as previous years, with no gold found, but I want to learn more about how to find areas that have gold. I like to think that I have the right tools and methods so I need to find ground that can yield. My goal has always been to get to a level where I am able to at least find a few nuggets on each outing. I like getting out in nature and desert camping but if you swing all day and for years on end without finding any nuggets then that become a big skunk to kill. I have discussed my dilemma with other detectorists in the field and they have all told me that as long as I'm finding small bird shot then my equipment and techniques are good and it is just a matter of getting the coil over gold.
  13. After a 6 year break I decided to start metal detecting for nuggets again. Background: I used to live in Temecula, CA and used to go to the Dale Mining District as well as the El Paso mountains. Back then, I started by taking a metal detecting prospecting field trip taught by Michael Greyshock. I used a Gold Bug Pro with the DP coil at that time and it was pretty tough with the iron stone in the Dale Mining District. I later purchased a Garret ATX but only used it a few times and sold it for a variety of reasons. It had great electronics but in a terrible package. Also the falsing when bumping against anything would drive me nuts. Anyway after 4 years of prospecting I got tired of digging trash and spending lonely nights in the dessert, so I gave it up. I retired last year when I turned 60 and my wife and I moved from Scal to Mesquite, NV. I recently purchased a SDC 2300 and thought I would give it a try again. I still have the Gold Bug Pro with all 3 coils also. Gold Basin is about a 3 hour drive and I plan to go there tuesday and return on thursday. I use "Backcountry Navigator" on my tablet for maps and gps navigation. I looked up the currently active claims on "thediggings.com" website and see they are pretty much clustered in the middle of the basin area. It would be handy to have a gpx or kmz overlay map file of the active claims that I could load on my tablet but I don't know if something like that exists. I prefer to detect on BLM land instead of claims and I don't mind getting remote and hiking. This will be my first trip to GB and any pointers or advice would be appreciated. I drive a brown 2010 Toyota Tundra double cab 4x4 long bed, with a color matched camper shell and NV plates, in case any of you are in GB on the same days and would like to say Hi. Regards, Ceril
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