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2 hours ago, martygene said:

Out detecting in the woods on Saturday and the remote fell off the shaft and it hit the ground even with it being tethered with the supplied XP lanyard. Luckily I saw it happen so that was good. It seemed that the "prongs" on the lanyard "shrunk" and allowed the remote to fall off. I tested it several times before hand but it somehow failed. It may have been that it was cold out but the prongs were bent inward and not holding onto the other piece. Needless to say that the lanyard is gone and I'm ordering a better one online. No second chances for it. Just a heads up to keep checking it for yourselves. 

Mine came off twice yesterday while hunting among briars and vines in the woods. The first time was only about 2 feet away from a 10 foot drop into the river. I would have been sick because the water was really moving and it was muddy. I definitely need to use a lanyard. 

2 hours ago, palzynski said:

I dont see any difference between the Nox and the D2 on deep coins on my bed test.  I have a clean and soft signal on a 10g bronze coin at 11" , with the D2 GENERAL , PARK or DEEP HC modes ...   Similar result with an Equinox 800 11" . My soil is moderately mineralized .   

I am wondering if you dont have an issue with your D2 , faulty coil  or other ... or EMI? 

We are getting off topic but no, I don’t think it's an issue with the machine. On 5 tone programs the lower tones bleed over into the higher tones creating a terrible sound. 

I tested mine last night, everything was the same as before the update. No loss of death. 

I still can't create a usable 5 tone program that sounds as good as the equinox on my deep coins. 

40 minutes ago, basstrackerman said:

Make sure your bottle cap adjustment is on zero I noticed that on several programs maybe all of them if I have the bottle cap turned on in other words one two three four five It makes the nickel all broken up. I can hear it okay in one and two but once I hit three to five it just about disappears so I run my bottle cap adjustment on zero. I'm not sure how this would affect the beach hunters like myself as I have not tested on the beach yet to see if I was eliminate gold by running the bottle tap adjustment up but that's what I would start with on my part program and my deep high conductor program I can hit my 9 inch nickel on my test garden very cleanly as long as my bottle cap adjustment is on zero

Thanks for the response. I do have bottle caps off, Silencer 0, all the tricks. It's just that the equinox gives better tones on all three 11in coins than the Deus II. I'm taking about a 5 tone program. It does ok on the dime and quarter in some program but the nickel sounds terrible. If a program like Park reports a good audio on the nickel then the dime reports a good tone but surrounded by a terrible iron buzz. 

For now I will use Deep HC in pitch or 5 tones. It doesn't do good on the nickel in five tones but it is very accurate on the HC IDs. I really want to be able to hunt by tones. 

20 minutes ago, phrunt said:

This has been an interesting thread to me, someone that has a high desire for deep machines on silver coins.  I guess with the Deus being limited by coil size It's never going to be an ideal very deep silver coin detector but at times the reports sound promising.

I wish dealers had a try before you buy scheme, where they lend you a demo unit for a day or something so you can take it for a test drive and you just pay them a deposit or leave your drivers license with them or something, I'd know in an hour if the Deus 2 was right for me.  I'd imagine my proper Minelab dealer would do something like that for me, our XP dealer is more of just a retail store that is more about photography and just sells XP. Minelab and Chinese detectors on the side.

In Deep HC (modified) it is very deep on coins, especially in the silver range. As deep or deeper than the equinox. 

It's just that I haven't been able to come up with a 5 tone program that sounds as good on all my deep coins as the equinox 800 does. 

I did a 5 tone Park program this evening that gave an acceptable tone on the deep nickel. But, the ID was way off. It was giving a 92 on it. 

And on top of that it gave a nice high tone on the deep dime. But that high tone was surrounded by a very annoying iron buzz. Which would make you think it is iron. 

For now I will hunt in Deep HC 5 tone which doesn't give a great audio on the nickel or in Deep HC pitch which gives the best audio and ID on all my deep coins but doesn't allow you to hunt by audio response without constantly checking the numbers. 

Please XP, make some changes. At least equal Minelab. 

3 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

That’s what targets do in mineralized ground as they reach the edge of a detectors discrimination limit. The tone shifts from non-ferrous to ferrous. Nearly all VLF detectors exhibit the same thing, the only difference being when it occurs.

 

The thing is that the equinox sounds really good on this nickel with an accurate ID. But I can't create a five tone program on the Deus II that will, And still be useful for hunting by tones that is. 

The Deus II actually gives a better ID and audio response from different angles on my deep dime than the equinox. Especially when I Deep HC. 

If it wasn't for the Deep HC program I wouldn't be happy at all with the Deus. 

22 minutes ago, midalake said:

Having a hard time finding the specs on these phones. If these phones are not Db rated for reducing outside noise, then beach users will have no use for them. 

They would have to be better that the backphones I would think, and they are waterproof to 1m. I have already pre-order. 

1 hour ago, strick said:

 

Usually they are toast but the problem is if it's not hitting nickels well then what else is it missing?  lots of good targets in these ranges...it's good to hear that the detector is liked by most of you who are using it and I am happy to hear that it's performing well in iron like the Deus 1 good enough reason to get one...plus it works well at the beach so it seems...good stuff... now if they can fix some of the stuff with the screen I may just squeeze off the shot. 

strick

That is my point. It's not that the machine won't hit nickels, it's just that when using a 3, 4 or 5 tone program the deeper nickels at 11 inches or so sound terrible. Like it's trying to call it iron and a nonferrous low conductor at the same time. 

But the equinox IDs it and sounds good. 

1 hour ago, relicmeister said:

Why do you not like to post this ? Good response on a 16”quarter is great to hear. was the ID of the quarter accurate as well?

Well to me it's hard to believe. As far as the ID, the best I remember no it wasn't very accurate. While testing in mono sometime there was no ID, this is on deep coins. 

For accurate ID, The Deep HC  program is the best I have ever seen on deeper coins on any detector.

5 hours ago, midalake said:

Maybe the second go-around in some of your sites should be done in Beach Sensitive???? 

Thanks for the suggestion, I tried it in my test garden and the audio report was a little soft on my coins, even with the audio response turned up.

I tried Deus mono tonight in my garden. It is fairly stable and gave a good response on all my coins in a 5 tone program. Was switching between 17 to 25 khz. The only problem is that it gave a very high ID on the nickel. 

I hate to even post this but it was giving a good audio response 5 to 6 inches above an 11" quarter. 

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Kind of a steep price for those “dumb” audio only (i.e., no detector controls) WSAII’s (I saw 179 euros, so the pricing seems consistent).  They are not yet available afaict and while I don’t doubt they have some water resistance to enable them to withstand wet weather and perhaps even an accidental dunking, 3 feet submergence waterproof seems unnecessary for a wireless headset where the radio signals cannot penetrate more than a few inches (i.e., the wireless tech doesn’t work when submerged).  So I hope users aren’t paying for unnecessary overkill in the design specs.

To me they will be useful when wading using the wire to RC. When wading I rarely get the control pod fully below water. But occasionally I do have to go underwater to retrieve the target. 

Plus when beach hunting they will block noise and won't be damaged if dropped in the serf.

The manual say IP68 1m.

32 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Dont mix nickels and low conductors , these are 2 different things .. My 1 franc 9g nickel displays a 70 VDI while the smaller coins displays around 50 . Then it is not a matter of conductivity . 

If you look for buttons you should do tests with buttons . Have you done such tests ?

Anyway missing modern nickels coins is not a big deal for me , I prefer older stuff like the coin below 🙂 👍 that I just found 2 hours ago with the D2 / SENSITIVE mode ( I will give more details in my "Testing the Deus2 11" thread later  ) .... 

 

A few pics :

A very nice 5 CENTIMES 1862 copper coin found 2 hours ago in a wood :

 

I'm definitely not interested in modern nickels. But modern nickels,older nickels, some gold rings and some buttons all produce the same ID, around 59 to 62.

On 2/26/2022 at 10:04 AM, Soky72 said:

Really wishing I had another set of the Quest headphones but since they're sold out what's the word on the Gray Ghost version for the Deus II? 

I just saw the Quest headphones in-stock. The price has gone up $30 from the dealer where I bought mine. The WSAII-XL headphones are $200 and they are waterproof to 3 feet I believe. 

37 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Deus 2 is amazing in thick iron.  That’s also a big strength over Equinox.  The pics of D2 brass and lead finds I posted earlier are coming out of “machine gun audio” iron patches that the Nox even with the 10x5 coil struggles with a bit.  Amazing considering I’m running those patches with an 11” coil on the D2.

I agree, overall is a better machine. I just hope some update improves the situation I have described. 

1 hour ago, midalake said:

It has been 20 years since I put a detector on soil. Are nickel's worth the same coming out of the ground 20 years ago as now........nothing. 

Just food for thought. 

 

I understand what you mean but I relic hunt and yes I would like to find the older nickels and low conductors such as some buttons. 

Some people may wonder what the big deal is.....

The deal is that for $1600 I expect the Deus II to perform at least as well as the equinox. I know it was never claimed that it would but you would think so. 

Overall I think it will be proven to be a better machine, especially as far as build quality and reliability. 

But for me as of now the tones aren't as good as the equinox (On deeper coins). Especially if your second tone break is using low Hz. 

23 minutes ago, palzynski said:

And I ve just done the same test with my Deus1 HF 9X6 and the 9g nickel  . Same result , the nickel sounds scratchy . Would like to do that test with a Vanquish or an Equinox but I have not these detectors any more ...

The tone on my 11" nickel with the equinox is really good. And the ID is 11 to 12 which is very accurate. 

The ID on the same coin using the Deus II in Deep HC is also very close although it does bounce around more.

7 minutes ago, abenson said:

What's wrong with the park program that tops out at 24 KHz? You could change it up to match the settings on the other programs. Seems like it would be a good middle of the road range that would do better on mid conductors. The park program is one I've actually used quite a bit coin hunting. I will admit I haven't dug many nickels with the Deus 2. Almost every time I get a target that ID'S in the nickel range it turns out to be a pull tab.

The park program is my second choice afterDeepHC. But again, on the deeper nickel at 11" in 5 tones the ID drops down into the second tone break around 35. Which will produce a low tone.

Deep HC gives the most stable and accurate ID IMO and testing. 

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

If you want good audio on nickels solely and are willing to give up on other mid conductors including small gold coins and trimes), I would go back to pitch and set a narrow "open" notch around nickels (e.g., 57 -67  or narrower) by creating 2 notches on either side.   The problem you are dealing with is the fact that Deep HC is by its very nature not going to give you great TID stability on deep mid conductors because it "tops out" at 14 khz on its FMF profile (i.e., the deep mid conductors are at the edge of detection giving you less ID stability).  Your only other alternative is to go with a 40 hz FMF pogram like General or Sensitive and see if that cleans up most of the mid conductors but you will then loose depth overall, including those deep mid conductors you can marginally detect with Deep HC and of course the really deep high conductors.  BTW what is your third tone break set at? 

Also, you can take 2 approaches with Audio Response.  If you do the notch thing I suggested, crank Audio Response up to max so deep and shallow targets bang out.  If you don't notch, you can LOWER Audio Response so that even in either Pitch or Multitones you can ignore the shallower banger targets (or specifically the banger mid tones if in Multi) and go after the whispers.  You can try square tones in multi combined with Audio Response tweaking to possibly get the audio you want on the nickels..  It's all about balancing the tradeoffs and I think D2 can give you a number of audio adjustments to try to dial it in.  HTH 

I agree with all you are saying. My third tone break is about 65.

What im trying to achieve is a program on the Deus II that sounds as good on all three coins as the equinox does using 5 tones. Again this is on deeper coins that even on the Equinox only sound good at one direction, not 360 degrees. 

1 hour ago, palzynski said:

Ok I understand better now . You have an issue with Deep HC low conductors ( nickels ) tones/IDs . I didnt do that test I will try that on my bed test

Correct, if Deep HC did a little better on the Deep low conductors I would just go with that in the 5 tone program. 

2 hours ago, palzynski said:

Personnaly I did not see any differences between the D2 and the Equinox on my bed tests ( a 3g bronze coin at 6" and a 10g copper coin at 12" ..)  For me the D2 and Nox depth perfos are identical or very similar, and I have very clean tones at depth with my D2 . But my soil is moderately mineralized.

Is your soil mineralized ?  That could explain the difference ..

I use the GENERAL or DEEP HC factory modes , just changing to 5tones SQUARE 

My soil is mild and using Deep HC the tones are clean on the dime and quarter. The reason for the clean tones in Deep HC 5 tones is that the IDs are very accurate. But Deep HC doesn't report very well on the Deep low conductors, tones are broken. 

I'm just trying to find a program that will work as well on all coins as the equinox does in my Park 1 program on the deeper coins. 

36 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Have you tried full tones?

I'm have but will try it again, but really need a five tone like the equinox. 

39 minutes ago, abenson said:

Well I think the most obvious solution is use the Equinox if it sounds better. No one says you have to like the Deus 2 for every application. I will tell you right now, the Equinox is my preferred detector for deep coins. Totally my opinion and I'm sure some will not agree with me. But that's ok.

I understand what you are saying. I really want to get away from Minelab products. Been using them for 14 years but I'm done. 

In short, I'm talking about the Deus II tones on deeper coins.

I mainly hunt farm fields where coins can go deep, so at times the depth of a detector is very important to me. 

I test all my detectors on three coins I have in my test garden. The nickel, dime and quarter are at 10 1/2 to 11 inches deep and have been buried for 3 years and 4 months. 

The stock programs on the Equinox 800 and the Deus II don't do well on these coins. 

With very few adjustments to the Equinox 800 each of these coins sounds very sweet. The ID is very close on the nickel, it's a little low on the quarter and jumps up on the dime. 

The Deep High Conductor program on the Deus II does very well on the dime and quarter as it should and does ok on the nickel but not great. This is using a 5 tone program. Using pitch they all sound better but the nickel is still a little broken. 

Using pitch isn't what I want to do all the time. The low conductors close to the surface cost me a lot of time because they sound really good. So I want a five tone program so I can hunt by tone and not have to check the numbers continuously. 

I discriminate to 6.8 and set the second tone break at 45 with a 100 HZ tone. 

The problem is that in all programs except Deep HC the dime and quarter IDs bounce back and forth between the 30s and 90s. This gives a very unpleasant tone. I don't see a solution.  

Any ideas?