Lodge Scent

I tried the Sensitive Full Tone program last week. It surprised me by sniffing out a few buttons from a cellar hole site that hardly ever gives up a nonferrous target anymore. One major negative for me with this program was the iron falsing. It was very distracting particularly because it would show VDIs from low 70s to mid-80s. Increasing the Silencer or Bottle Cap Reject didn’t help. I ended up just ignoring all high tones then eventually just notched 70 to 99. Of course, that quieted down the machine, but a notch like that is only safe to use on your most pounded sites. But the program showed promise.

I used it today at another worn out site and was even more impressed when it sniffed out 9 nonferrous targets (all mid conductors). I made a few changes that made it more usable. I had the Sensitivity at 95. I lowered it to 90 to see if it would help with the falsing but it made no difference, so I put it back to 95. Sensitivity at 95 gave a noticably stronger signal over a good target compared to 90. This program runs at a negative Disc of -6.7. I raised it to 7 but that really didn’t help quiet things down either, so I ran it with the negative Disc. When I got into the heavy iron and got sick of the all the falsing, I Notched out 70-77 and then also 97-99. Once again, this was a pounded site and the odds of a big silver or copper still lurking about was very slim. The notching really helped eliminate a lot of the falsing and made those mid conductor tones stand out in Full Tones. A couple of tombacs were really "fuzzy" becaus eof the iron but had enough of the midtone to make me dig. I used PWM but square tones might help even more. All targets had iron nearby or right in the hole with the good target. I used Reactivity of 2.5 and then 3 or even 4 in the very heavy iron.

This could be a killer program if I can deal with the iron falsing. All this high-end notching is OK on my pounded sites, but I would not want to use it on a new site. The Full Tones did provide good audio clues. Most of iron that was falsing was easy enough to ID as iron with the Iron Volume at 4. Sometimes a quick swing around the target worked and a quick pinpoint showed that the good audio signal was off the tip target, giving it away as iron. Like I said, it was easy enough to ID the iron, but I would prefer NOT to have the falsing to begin with.

I had used Full Tones all the time for the first couple years with my D1 but hadn’t used it at all for the past 5 years just because after using Multi Tones for a while, Full Tones just wasn't all that pleasant on the ears. I am definitely going to do some more work with this program. 

Any suggestions to tame that iron falsing would be most appreciated!

 Jeff

Well done. That is a pile of lead!

That is a great find Palzynski! Very cool. Always nice when your "Plan B" produces a good find.

WOW! What a beauty. The anaerobic muck on a beach or a bog is the only place you will find a 300 year old buckle in that remarkable condition. I can only dream of one ever coming out of my ground that nice. Great find.

I used Pitch in Square Tones on my last couple of hunts CPT and liked it. I can't make a judgement at this point on whether I think for me it offers more audio clues than PWM. Because Pitch in Square Tones is new to me, I am paying closer attention to the audio. It might be the fact I am paying closer attention because it is new, is the reason I put a few more iron masked targets in my finds bag. 😉 

It's funny, I do think that is a real phenomenom. I'll try a new program or settings and I defintiely will pay more attention. Maybe that's the key to detecting. Mix it up and don't get complacent! 😁 

I used Full Tones for the couple of years with my D1 and liked it. Then I started using Pitch and Multitones. Now 10 years later, Full Tones to me is like nails on a chalkboard. 😁 But if it will put more finds in my pouch, I'll learn to like it again.😉

Mental detecting funk? Frustrated?? Lost your confidence ??? Best cure is to hang your detector on the wall for a month. Clear your mind. Sip some good bourbon or rye. Or book a detecting trip to the UK. Either one should snap you out of it.

On 1/18/2023 at 9:31 AM, EL NINO77 said:

 because you may start to get a signal of a ground fault, for example with *ID at 99-98...

Your observation played out exactly as you indicated El Nino. I have left the ground stabilizer at 2 since I got the D2 a year ago. Today I set it to 1. Yep, I got a lot of "99s".

On 1/6/2023 at 7:34 PM, Lodge Scent said:

Raziel, Iron Volume doesn't impact raw depth directly. However, it is possible to miss a deep or weak nonferrous target if it is next to iron and you have the Iron Volume cranked up too high. You just might not hear that faint good signal.

I should have mentioned I have extremely mild mineralization in my area. Folks are making very good points about Iron Volume in hot soils.

Raziel, Iron Volume doesn't impact raw depth directly. However, it is possible to miss a deep or weak nonferrous target if it is next to iron and you have the Iron Volume cranked up too high. You just might not hear that faint good signal.

I misread your post F350. In my mind you were trying out the 11". I'll blame it on covid fog. 😉 I swung the 11" a lot on my D1 and I could feel it at the end of the day. But if the 13" really isn't much different, I'll have to think about that instead of getting an 11".

F350, with that kind of performance in those types of conditions, it's certainly a very attractive option to use the 11" coil and its additional 33% more coverage compared to the 9" coil. 

3 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

That aside I was kinda disappointed with the higher recovery speed when I saw how many fewer targets I was hearing in a trashy spot. When I have more time I'll try it more. 🙂

Yep, I always hit the heavy iron spots at the cellar holes at least once with a very low Recovery speed. It does seem counterintuitive, I agree, but it sometimes takes that extra bit of "oomph" to hit a small or deeper target, on edge coin etc., nestled in amongst the iron. Hey here's an idea......maybe the next big breakthrough in metal detectors will be a Multi Reactivity unit. You heard it hear first ! 😀

Looks like a well made product that is especially useful for the big coils. Nice job on the copper ring F350. I have been pleasantly surprised at how stable it is when running the low Recovery speeds and more than pleasantly surprised at the unmasking at the low Recovery speeds.

On 12/1/2022 at 1:40 AM, Zord said:

Okay, so Manticore fever reaches the top of Mount Everest.

This is perfect, hopefully it will force the funny Frenchman to update D2.

Yep, I can't but help think that XP is waiting to detratct from the Manticore release party with the D2 update. 😉

That was a well-reasoned response to my question. Thanks Jeff.

Thanks for the informative post Jeff. If you don't mind me asking, why Disc up to 40 rather than stick with the default Fast Disc setting and just Notch up to 40?

Wow, I never realized that there was so much hostility towards coil covers ! 😄

Goodluck Maxxkatt. I think you will warm up to the machine quickly. I also found the Deus system very logical when I went from a White's unit to the D1 some years back. 

Nice work F350. I never noticed that big of a gain in depth with my 11" coil(s) on the D1, but the 40% gain in coverage (I did the math once, it's something like that) is significant. I've tried Reactivity = 0, but found I couldn't swing as slow as I should for too long before reverting to my normal swing speed. The D2 is much quieter than the D1 at low Reactivity speeds and the target separation at low Reactivity speeds is also much better with the D2 in my opinion. I'll routinely hunt in medium iron with R= 0.5 to 1.5 and find good targets comingled in the iron. If too much falsing, just raise the Reactivity a bit, it will help. But seeing how well you did with R=0, I will have to give it another try!

That Griffith backmarked button is an awesome find! I have well over a thousand flat buttons but not a single one of those. Yeah those heavily gold-gilted buttons always give me a heart attack !

I need a coil cover for the wooded colonial homesites I hunt here in New England. Not so much to protect the bottom of the coil but more so to protect the edge of the coil from abrasions from the inevitable collisions with rocks and trees. I have worn out coil covers.

Those are just your program slot #s.

Hey brys, get some flexible kitchen/bathroom silcone caulking and fill in the sides of the bracket on the stem. It stiffened it up just enough so the controller doesn't fall off anymore. I still use the lanyard though.

Very interesting. Funny, I have designed a similar program to the Silver Slayer program but I call it my deep iron-masked copper program. It's based on Park and it features Reactivity of 1.5, Silencer of 3 and a Bottle Cap reject of 5, and Notch up to 40 (I don't want to miss deep pewter buttons). I usually hunt with as few filters as possible, but when just trying Park out for the heck of it a few months back, I started digging some deep iron masked large cents from sites that I had pounded to death over the years. It got my attention. I can see the SS program being very effective. 

I like your approach CPT. You are on the right path to become proficient and confident with the D2.

Ant farts ARE the worst. Notch out -6 to -1 to block them. 😉