Dirtshark

4 hours ago, Rick N. MI said:

Unfortunately there is underground stuff that goes on and off at times. Most likely emi.

I hope it is emi lol. Sorry.

Nope. Its not emi. This is old land. No worries. I will see what NM has to say. 

1 hour ago, Rick N. MI said:

That sounds like emi. When that happens and you can't get rid of it, switch to single frequency and the noise will probably go away.

Runs great in single frequency too.

Yep, thought of that and even in single freq it still chatters. 

No setting seems to matter, recovery, channel, mode, gain, nothing will stop it. It does seem to start overloading when I am focusing on trying to detect in lots of iron, but when it gets in this state I can't shake it. 

When it happens even holding the coil 4 feet off the ground doesn't stop the chattering. No power lines or anything around. In fact that is kind of what I would expect if I was directly under a high power line. but again, I detected these spots over and over and then one random time the chattering starts. 

Hey, thanks for the response. 

I am now at 1.08 and it still randomly does this. 

Oddly enough I have done whole days where I don't have this issue, like at my main permission, but then the next day I am out there and the detector goes mad for seemingly no reason and changing settings doesn't help. It chatters like crazy and maybe it just stops and goes away, sometimes it doesn't.  

I don't think it is the ground or the soil, or the mineralization because when I am going along and it is working fine the chattering starts and even where I was not having the chattering before, now it is chattering.  

It is like the detector goes into a feedback loop of some sort. 

Updated on a second machine. 

Haven't tested it yet. 

Thanks to those who reached out to help 

And again, the update wont install. Brand new laptop. It is a USB issue but who knows. 

I am going to try my main desktop. 

Surprised they didn't fix this. Hope the update is better than the updater. 

38 minutes ago, JCR said:

The V1.08 update is now up on the NM website for download.

Yeah baby! Bring it on!

You know, you could restore that bad boy. Get some new wheels, paint job. Every guy should have a project car. Lol

Get some tiny cinder blocks to jack it up. 

Awesome. 

Reminds me of the hotwheels I had as a yute. 

But I don’t think I ever saw this one. Super cool.

I love the red ring on the tires. 

1 hour ago, JCR said:

Englands Hstory You Tube channel has posted a good demo of the V1.08 Iron filter & stability.

His tests seem very promising. Can't wait to recheck old permission with the new settings. 

Oh man and bring on the 10x5.... 

2 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

The YouTube critics that actually have/had a Legend needed to hold off on their final opinion until the latest software was released. Those that never ran a Legend but just listened to the critics referred to, got some incomplete information.

I'm glad you didn't listen to them. 

Thanks, and thank you for your awesome posts in virtually any thread. I appreciate your experience and experiences. 

Awesome news Dilek!

I can't wait to try it! If you want to slip me the update in the DMs, I would love to test it. 🙂

Im not a youtuber or anything but I would be glad to provide feedback. 

Either way the videos I have seen from HistoryRevisited look extremely positive. Glad I didn't listen to the critics. I love my Legend. 

42 minutes ago, JCR said:

What firmware version are you running?

1.7

Hi, 

SO I have been using the Legend and learning it. Finding cool stuff and overall the Legend is doing a great job. 

One thing I have noticed though is some odd behavior. 

Lets say I find an iffy signal in an Iron infested area. I will typically scan the iffy signal, change angle, scan again trying to see if the iffy signal tightens up at all. 

Sometimes, I will do this and the detector will start chattering. Sometimes when this happens I can just lift the coil off the ground and it will settle down sometimes it wont. When this happens and it doesn't settle down I will try changing the settings, ground balancing, channel scanning and nothing works. Even lowering gain doesn't help much.. 

Odder still I can leave the area where this is happening, wait until the chatter stops and go back to where I heard it and everything is fine. 

It is almost like it gets overloaded by all the iron and mixed signals and loses its mind. 

I can't seem to figure out a solid reason why this happens, 

Anybody have any thoughts?

Thanks!

10 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

 Some of the guy who fought in the 1860s in the CW, had previously gone to the CA gold rush.  And then returned back home to their eastern states.   And could conceivably have brought buttons back eastward.  

 

And while these pre-date the G.R. (1850s), yet :  In CA, when the Gold Rush hit, a lot of coastal folk here in CA (where the missions were, and thus the PB's were), left the coast and went inland to the Sierras.  This is one possible explanation as to why a few PB's have been found in the GR country.  Since it's conceivable that some were still circulating along the coast in the late '40s/early '50s.   And might thus explain why some THEN made their way back east.

 

But others disagree and think they started from the east coast, and came overland westward.  I don't buy that.   There's just too many of them on the west coast , compared to only scattered presence on the east coast.   So I say they arrived here on the west coast by ship, to the CA ports, and the Columbia River area.    I know of hundreds and hundreds found in CA (heck, 100 from a single field alone !).   Compared to the east coast where they are flukes.

 

While it's true that the vast majority of the migration was east to west , yet some guys did indeed return back home to the east, when the GR fever petered out.   This explains, for example, why 1850's S mint coins show up in CW sites, for example (albeit rare).

 

The circulation time for PBs was the 1810s/20s.   But I've found them in sites that were not habitated (by Europeans anyhow) till the 1840s.  Meaning that some were still in use, even to the 1840s.   Considering that there was a shortage of manufactured good on the west coast during Spanish & Mexican times, it makes sense that buttons would have been used and re-used, over and over.  Thus some all the way to GR times, and thus perhaps making their way east.

 

Interesting !

Fantastic post. 

I agree with your view. Makes sense that the PBs that are found east were brought back. Dates line up. 

I did read one article, like a research journel and there was one guy who suggested that they might have been manufactured at least partially in Connecticut.  But the prevailing school of thought is they spread widely as indian trade tokens. Many having been found in Indian burial sites. I imagine because they got them cheap and they looked cool. I mean, a Phoenix is pretty cool. Lol

I love a bit of history mystery. 

Oh, I just remembered the home owner told me that one of the prior owners was a civil war Gettysburg vet who was a horder of sorts. Could be it was collected by this guy who liked to hang onto junk. Just a thought. Intriguing.....

3 hours ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Nice job.   Those buttons are a "goal unto themselves" here in the extreme-hunter circles of CA.  We love them. 

 

Here's an article I wrote on the subject.   You can find your particular button here.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rX9XFCFw-SKRiUFZfdtzFg7GIjUwzoJJ/view?ts=6182e46f

 

thanx for sharing ! 

Thank you very much for that document, I had alread found and read it. I appreciate the work it took to compile that data. 

How it got to NH in my hole will remain a mystery. A fun one. 

Definitely my coolest find since starting detecting. And although I wouldn't sell it, my most valuable find. 

1 hour ago, Doc Bach said:

That is a killer button D.S. and tough to find.It took me 50 years to dig one.Mine is the #28 type one style two large variant my unsolicited advice would be to pound that site congrats. 

Yeah, it has a crazy mysterious history and finding one on the east coast seems even more bizarre. And on my permission it is even crazier. I have not found one single old coin here. One Wheatie. So I know it has been hunted or at least coin shooters had their day. Either way, a real fathers day treat I will treasure.

Here is a better pic. Im afraid to clean it. 

Great post!

I totally relate to what you are saying about going over and over the same area and getting the trinkets hiding among the iron and foil. I may be out for 2 hours and get nothing good at all and then pull a cool old button out. I attribute it to being new to detecting in general, new machine, and tough targets. In fact many of the good items I find start out as sketchy signals that hint at a relic. And most of the finds I am getting are all within 10 or 15 feet of each other in one area. I am planning to go over it several more times, learning the ground, seeing what the detector likes, etc. 

Cool finds. 

My older daughter wanted to see me detect so we went out to the front lawn and searched for 30 mins or so and she found an old maybe 1800s lock plate. She was thrilled. And I had been over that area many times and that is the oldest thing I have found on my lawn. 

I am starting to think that no area is ever truly searched out. 

A twist of thread that is. 

Found this near where I found a colonial shoe buckle chape. Looks old, no markings. Oddly enough it still had thread attached. Wild.

9 hours ago, Cascade Steven said:

Very nice find.  Congratulations.  Regarding the "plate" on the back of the spoon, I would like to respectfully offer an additional option.  I have done a little metal casting work over the years and learned that sometimes such a "plate" or thicker section was added initially when the spoon was either stamped or cast.  This "plate" section was used to reinforce the junction between the bowl and handle of the spoon as that is a weak spot.  If the "plate" was added later, there should be a very fine line at the contact.  This line may not be visible until the spoon is thoroughly cleaned and examined under magnification.  However, if the craftsman was very good, they could blend the contact so it is almost unidentifiable.  Just a little food for thought.  Again, congratulations on a nice find.

Thanks, I was wondering about that back plate, I couldn't see any examples that looked like that. Made me think it was older than 1800s but I have no idea.

I will examine the plate and see if it has a fine line like you suggest. 

5 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

I am always excited to go metal detecting. So many things to remember, prepare, and collect before going. Most times I get everything.

Told my wife today, "A bad day of metal detecting is better than a great day at work!" 😀

So true, hell, a bad day metal detecting is better than a good day golfing....

Wait a minute, that may not be true. Actually I know its not. Lol

3 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Well I forgot my scoop today 🤣 still had my composite trowel, but close to the water I had to dig like a madman before the water filled it in.

Thanks for the vote of confidence! 👍 yeah I've found some dog tags and had noble intentions but encountered the same thing, or would have had to pay a lot to get info.

Lol, I forgot my shovel the other day scouting a new permission. Its a good thing I didn't have it because I got there late and I was finding stuff that I couldn't dig.

I try so hard to not forget anything but the excitement of a new permish got to me. 

28 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Definitely old.  Looks like mid-to-early 1800’s based on the classic fiddle handle design.  Clean it up and look for a maker’s mark on the underside of the handle (are you sure it is not silver or silver plate?).  From there you can google the name and get an idea of when and where the silversmith or metal craftsman plied his trade.

No markings. Very plain.

Brand new permish.

So I meet the homeowner and get the grand tour. Like Disneyland for detectorists. Great family, and they are friends of my brother. I have no friends, lol. 

Old place. Cellar holes, abandoned well, the works. I do a quick scan and because I am an idiot and forgot my shovel I just dug a couple signals with my hand tool. So I am just scanning, listening to the iron, kinda just seeing what is obvious. 

I look down and I see what the Legend beeped at and there sticking out of the ground was a spoon. I grab it and give it a look over, saying....hmmm could be old. Maybe pewter. Possibly colonial. 

I head home and look over the spoon. A ground find essentially, and I think to myself, dang, this looks old. 

What do you guys think?

Looks primitive and thin.