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  1. I'M NOT LOOKING IN MINNESOTA!! Sorry to yell. Seems some folks think I seemingly intent to try to find gold in Minnesota. True, there was once an active commercial venture (NE part of the state, I believe), but it really didn't amount to much. About the best things to be found in MY area are old farm implement parts and parts of horse tack. Sure gets boring after awhile digging up nothing but rust. One of my local friends (one of the coin hunters mentioned before) brought his detector to my place a few weeks back - wanted to see what kinds of RICHES he could find. His machine kept telling him he had found silver coins. Finally I urged him to dig up one of the deeper targets (he had permission to keep anything he found). He decided not to take his "coin" home with him. Ended up being a piece of 1/4" copper tubing about 5 inches long. jasong - Now you're starting to peak my interests. Assuming we can make this trip, and assuming, well, LOTS of things, that is probably the best kind of equipment for locating the ore deposits. That's going to be my most difficult challenge. Well, that and the access factor. Sadly, it doesn't surprise me to hear about the equipment scams, "Look at Carl Moreland's teardown reports on Geotech. Some are nothing more than a wire wrapped around a crystal connected to a dead 1970's CB circuit board, or similar." Hey, if all else fails, can still spend the winter building some equipment I've been meaning to get around to. Again everyone, thanks for all the input. Seems I hit on a "gold mine" of a forum.
  2. Thanks for the laughs!!...!!!!!!! When I said before that maybe there was some real science to the claims that LRL's make, I meant just that. Didn't mean that I believed those machines actually worked that way. I should have been more clear. As I said, seems like the real ones are still old technology. Still doesn't mean that even a reputable person could build one for what they're trying to sell them for. Then again, yes, I am a technological idiot! *grin* ...For the record, I'm just not up to date on technology. Use to work at Compaq Computers....seems like another lifetime now. Was in Test Engineering. Not an engineer...more like the supply sergeant, but I spent every day with some of the best engineers on the planet at the time. Was going to college then too, but dropped out just short of 2 years. Just couldn't handle someone with a teaching degree telling me what was and wasn't possible when I was working with guys who kept proving the textbooks wrong. nvchris - I think you have Minnesota confused with Michigan. UP = Upper Peninsula? Only thing I know of in MN is iron ore, but that's not gonna help me much. :-P~~ Steve - Thanks (again) for the tip on the TM 808. Looks like a killer machine. Has anyone here ever used one????
  3. Ok, here it is. In my research, I have stumbled across a few areas that the gov’t lists as being areas with many very tiny pockets of mineralization. Imagine the lode mines of bygone days as shots from a 55mm Howitzer. I’m looking for birdshot. In the old days, the only way to find lodes was to: 1. Find a gold outcropping 2. Find a quartz outcropping and follow it hoping to hit mineralization, or 3. To keep on tunneling and HOPING to hit another small vein (like buying a lottery ticket…which I don’t do). This one area in particular seems rather enticing. Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? I have no idea…yet! Logic would seem to indicate that there is some real potential, but only for someone who: 1. Isn’t greedy 2. Has no investors/shareholders 3. Doesn’t require a partner (which I still might require, for the locating part) 4. Someone who can design and build his own equipment very inexpensively and 5. Someone who isn’t afraid to try. As for the LRL that I previously mentioned, I can’t remember if that forum thread was on this site or another. Had to do with Fitzgerald and the KellyCo black box, etc. Someone in that thread asked to see the theory behind those products. If anyone’s interested or for future reference, can check out: www.miningandmetallurgy.com/mining/resistivity-prospecting-method www.miningandmetallurgy.com/mining/induced-spontaneous-polarization Not absolutely certain about that, but the info “appears” to follow along the lines of what the Fitzgerald’s website tries to say without actually saying anything – like I was trying to do ;-) The link to the Fitzgerald website is, : www.treasurenow.com So, his equipment might really work. Go figure. However, there are better methods out there. This appears to be old technology.
  4. Thanks guys. The financial situation is not as dire as it "could" be, There is a house that now sits empty. As excutor and POA I have the right to sell it. Unfortunately, I see something in the house that only a qualified home inspector worth his salt would notice. One end of the house is a solid rock fireplace (late-40's to 50's home) Unfortunately, the entire wall is slowly sinking into the ground. Wife and I went there with a load of building materials just before Christmas (25' trailer) but someone cut me off on a long downhill run and I made the boneheaded mistake of slamming on the brakes. Lost the truck, trailer and load. Still working with insurance...and with doctors. Was invited to go with a group of local coin hunters to spend some time next year exploring old mines (inside and out). I know my limits, and exploring old mines is beyond my comfort level. Stumbled across some info earlier on what I was originally asking. Sounds like what I'm looking for. Yes, it's a longshot. And no, it probably won't happen. However, as Reno Chris so wonderfully pointed out, it's still great to dream. Still have hopes that this might be possible. Just have to do the research and figure the logistics of it all. Thanks for the input - will try to keep in touch. Btw, what's the best way to view all of the archived titles? Can't seem to get through even the title list with this lousy signal. Reno Chris - A special thanks. My prayers are with you and yours. Steve wrote: "I detect gold shed off of veins all the time. A gold vein in place is usually just a bunch of quartz with no gold to be seen, but if enough of the quartz decomposes over millennia a stray piece of gold is liberated now and then to create little residual deposits that can be worked with a detector. If you were with me right now I could drive you to and show you many in place gold veins. They are not the gold filled things I think you are imagining. They have gold measured in fractions of an ounce per ton." Didn't figure I was the first to think of this, but still might have a different sort of twist. Again, research, research, research. All of this that's new to me is old stuff to many others. As for the gold content, again you hit the nail on the head. Anything worthwhile to mining companies has long been worked out or, at the very least, locked in non-active claims. I can make very miniscule deposits worthwhile - at least I "think" I can. And besides, there's more than just gold out there. Steve, be careful what you say. I MIGHT just take you up on an invite!! :-P (stop worrying, that's a joke) ...Went to Vegas one time. Spent 12 hours in one of the major casinos, gambling continuously. Went home with the same exact money I went with. What's more, I ended up with 2 free steak dinners in the process. Not trying to get rich here - just trying to have one final adventure while getting the real-world experience that can't be learned online or from a book. There you have it - my idea (in short).
  5. Thank you Rumblefish. For a minute there I was beginning to think I had chosen the wrong metal detector forum to reach out to. Also thanks to Steve for the latter portion of your post. You were pretty hard-hitting in the first part, but that's nothing I haven't seen before. I suppose Columbus got the same reaction when he kept trying to tell folks, "The earth, she's-a-round". You kind folks don't quite understand what I have in mind...but then, that's my point. I'm not being fully forthcoming with my ideas because, as yet, I don't know whether they really are new or not. Suffice it to say I have no intentions of trying to work former mines that have already been reworked many times over. Are there still ores at these mines? Many, yes. But are they "worthwhile" ores? That said, I hope that I have stumbled across an idea that might just pay off to some extent. So as for my coming here to learn, that is what I'm attempting to do. My trip, if it happens, will be some time (hopefully) next year. I might get to a point where I 'learn' that it would be a foolish venture, even if just for the fun of it. ...Then again, I might not. Thank you all for your quick responses...I've seen other forums where it took months (literally!!) for someone to reply to a post. As for the misunderstanding about the font type, I apologize. Was easy to read on my screen. Thank you Steve for making it better for everyone. Just for the record, what is "standard"? Ariel? Finally, having been away from internet for many, many, MANY years, not sure if my writings are difficult to understand. Yes, I ramble. Don't believe me? Just ask my wife! 😛 I try to be clear - try to choose my words carefully - try to avoid tpyos....er, typos. If anyone has any off-topic feedback for me, please don't hesitate. ...Had a couple of questions stemming from the info Steve provided, but they're now forgotten. Sometimes I think I've only got one active brain cell anymore! Then again, maybe it's because I've been trying to post tonight for nearly 4 hours. ...keep getting disconnected.
  6. When you say, "That type is really hard to read", I'm assuming you mean solid rock? The lodes could be as small as a few inches, but would normally be from "a bit larger" to "considerably larger" areas of highly metallic ore veins. The larger the vein, the deeper it can be, presumably, and it still cause a noticeable fluctuation on the detector. ...Er, fluctuation...don't know your metal detecting term offhand. Anyway, wouldn't it make sense to ground balance to the majority of the rock and then mark every disturbance as a target? Whether going over the marked areas repeatedly trying to discern what is there, drilling small core holes to sample, or simply going all in on the seemingly best target... Have heard so many times that when metal detecting, even in high trash areas to dig every target. I understand that with experience comes a better understanding of what might be a trash target to skip over, though I'm not one of those experienced persons. Likewise, I do not believe that there are many, if any, here who are experienced in detecting solid rock. After all, why detect it if you cannot dig it? Well, I can dig it presuming a valid claim and NOI/POO (Notice of Intent/Plan of Operations). Simply looking for a little thought and input from some of you experienced with PI and possibly VLF detectors. Seems that a lower frequency would be best, as that should provide the deepest results. I'm trying to best understand how to obtain such results without first having to have literally years of detecting experience. Still have a bit to learn on making large coils, but so far they """seem""" pretty straight-forward. I like the idea of the Fitzgerald MLL (Mother Lode Locator), but I, too, believe it is more of a....um, how do I be nice about this....I don't trust it. However, the words on the website seem to make logical sense - using a lower frequency, that is. Also, that device uses a 12V power source @ 5A, which is considerably more powerful than a handheld detector. Even the GPX5000 uses a max of 8.7V @ 1A. If someone could harness 12V @ 5A (or more) and send it through some sort of very large search coil or, as the LRL's claim, to use probes, then seems like that could possibly read quite deeply into even solid rock. Again, presuming that this someone understands about making the correct and necessary adjustments. However, it also seems like you would have to move said probes around quite a lot and make many readings, all while keeping very good notes, in order to 'read' the minerals underneath. Concerning LRL's, I simply cannot understand placing probes in the ground one, two, or even several times, and then coming out of it with enough to make a reasonable picture of what lies beneath. But again, I don't want to go there...just , well, rambling. Is way past my bedtime - time to go count gold nuggets jumping out of a creek into a gold pan!
  7. Hello. Not sure if I'm doing this right as I am now your newest member, as well as a self-proclaimed technological idiot! Have been interested in prospecting for over 15 years, yet have only had the chance to "learn" so far - not much gold to be found in Minnesota!! Before I get to the meat and potatoes of the question, guess I should say a little more about background. Have a strong mechanical background, so long as it doesn't include internal combustion engines. Getting up in age, but more importantly, have had the misfortune to be involved in a couple of accidents over the years with debilitating results. Still fully functional...for a 90-year-old!! :-P (<-- joking) Unfortunately, I found myself in a bit of a predicament a year ago. Father passed away from cancer and Mom is in nursing home with advanced Alzheimer's. Now I am in charge of her future care and well-being. Finances are non-sustainable in long-term. About the only thing left for me at this point is a wild idea I have about trying to use my unique mechanical skills and non-conformal way of thinking to try to find some un-found gold. Specifically, I'm looking at lode mines. Have found a surprising number of areas that "appear" to have a possible route to venture into, but it would mean being able to see down into solid rock as far as cheaply possible in hopes of finding a very small vein that larger companies wouldn't waste their time with. Have researched Ground Penetrating Radar, metal detectors, search coils, and a few other things. I can make my mining equipment very inexpensively, can access pretty much any area that the Gov't will allow. Seems to come down (affordably) to using a PI metal detector with a homemade giant coil. Having [virtually] no experience with metal detectors, am having the most trouble trying to figure out how to go about finding the right brand/model for this type of situation, newer or older, or even home built. And instead of actually looking for gold, would probably do better to have the ability to scan for iron ore, as the gold will most likely be running with a fair amount of iron. Btw, I read the conversations concerning LRL's (Fitzgerald, KellyCo, black boxes, Mother Lode Locators, etc, etc), so not even going to waste anyone's time asking anything there. Lastly, I'm a flat-lander. Have never been to "Gold Country", regardless of which state you may consider that to be. Don't know if I'll get anywhere with this, but thank you all in advance...just in case!
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