Flavius Titus

just yesterday I worked with the D2, prog. 6, sens. 95, no silencer, no BC, disc 3.1, audio filter 5, 2 tone, GB at 2.

After 6 and a half hours of research the coil went off,  I had used the metal 2 days before for depth tests here in the Italian Apennines, and then left it to rest for 2 days. Unfortunately it ran out of power at the best of times 😒!

But lesson learned, you definitely need an emergency power bank.

2 hours ago, JCR said:

Nokta changed the Legend's Ground Balance function some with V1.08/V1.09. You can read their description of this off their website on the Legend software updates section.

I also was confused by this revised behavior at first. It sounds to me like your unit is working as intended. It is somewhat different behavior than what we have been used to.  Mine acts similarly on low mineralized ground. I am still trying to get use to it.  It seems to run just fine at 0 but I keep checking it anyway. It is a very quickly adjusting process that is for sure.

JCR you are always so kind.

So very simply it is ok that the value collapses to 0?
You know actually, thinking it was a problem I never searched with the value on 0, I really think I was wrong so!
That's fine then, I'll see if I can "listen" to the instrument next time and leave the value at 0.

One more question, I noticed that Multi3 is really so much stable, much more than M1, but was it clear whether it is a Multi that works with high or low frequencies?

Thank you

Good morning guys!

I would need to understand if the behavior of my Legend is normal or if I need to go to service.
Basically when I balance the instrument on the ground, the screen value tends to decrease until it reaches 0.
Quite simply, maybe I'm looking in an area, terrain value 55, as I move (and I've noticed almost always on tilled/plowed terrain) and maybe I rebalance because the machine starts to be "noisy," with each pumping the value drops and reaches 0; it seems strange to me because often maybe from one area to another there are 50 meters and by now it's 4/5 times that it happens to me.

Could it be that I find all soils with almost no mineralization and therefore the instrument cannot read it?
Or am I doing something wrong?

I would like to point out that if I switch the Legend to tracking mode, then it can read the value after a few minutes that I search.

Thank you

4 hours ago, JCR said:

That is some beautiful scenery & has an deep history feel to it.

On the Legend Iron Filter & Stability adjustment, you are correct. At higher settings the detector will tend to call weak/mixed targets as iron. As the settings are lowered, the detector will favor the non ferrous response more & more. Not calling it iron as quickly. The big steps of Iron Filter & the small steps of Stability give you a very precise adjustment of this response. Remember the IF is only adjustable in multifrequency, single frequency operation is set to 8.  The difficulty is learning how much falseing a site's conditions will give & how well You can interpret the tricky signals. The more experienced/in tune your ear is, the lower you can adjust. The big iron is easier than small bits to tell. Listen for broken audio & wide TID spread as you rotate on the target. Size it out with Pin point. Watch the Ferro Check, if it is less than 2 bars Ferrous it is worth investigating.

I do not try to have zero or even a minimum of falses. I try to find the level of falsing that I can interpret with confidence. If I am on a new site, I am going to set it low, say 2.3 & see how it does on tricky signals. After careful interrogation & digging of several of these tricky signals, I will have a good idea of all of my settings. Not just IF & stability, but Recovery, Sensitivity, and all the rest. I also try to run the Recovery as low as possible, often @1 or 2 & scan slow if searching for deep targets. Even in heavy iron trash, Recovery @ 3 is plenty fast with careful coil control and gives the detector a fuller look at the target. Try to keep your first Tone Break around 8 & the Iron tone bin volume loud enough to hear well. 60 tone paints a good picture of what is under the coil. The most Disc i ever use is G, but usually A.  Ground moisture seems to play a big role in the amount of false signals. Maintaining a good Ground Balance is important too.

Dig enough iffy targets to know your not missing much. The Legend will alert on some amazing masked targets is set up right.

 

 

Thanks JCR, when you mean 'tone break to 8' do you mean that you discriminate in custom mode up to 8, or that you activate the iron tone up to 8?
Thanks

Hi guys, I would like to ask for a little advice. 
The legend after the 1.09 update I admit has improved a lot, however, I would like to submit a question.

In my areas, on soils of the Italian peninsula, often the good targets are very deep, and therefore sound iron, until I go to open the hole for a few cm.

Obviously given this peculiarity I keep the iron tone very high, even at 10.

What I wanted to understand well is this: the IF, should it then be set close to 1? From what I am beginning to understand, using the instrument, is that a low Iron Filter sounds better even iron objects, and as I get closer to 8 I lose this characteristic, which I need so much though.

At this point, do you also have any advice on how best to set St? Just to hear some opinions from more experts than me.

In the meantime I'll leave you with a nice picture of the last outing here in the central Apennines.

Good evening, do I still have to reset everything as with the 1.08 update?

Thanks

15 hours ago, Nokta Detectors said:

To All Legend Users:

 

The updated manual is posted on our website and labeled as v.1.08 on the cover as per your request. You can download it from the link below:

 

https://www.noktadetectors.com/wp-content/file-download/the-legend/the-legend-user-manual-en.pdf

 

Will you also update it for other languages?

thx

I reset tonight after updating yesterday, I hope it's the same, I did it on all 4 available profiles.
Or do I have to do it immediately after the update?

Good morning folks! I have installed 1.08 at last!
It would seem that with the Gain Audio set to 5 and IF set to 4, the iron is being detected quite well, I hope that by doing this I will be able to hear the deeper sounds better, which as in all metal sounds iron before digging in.

NM did a beautiful job, I almost didn't get my hopes up.
However I have yet to fully understand the St function, especially in real research.

One thing is not 100% clear to me, the new 'stability' option for exactly what purpose?

Thank you Jeff for the explanation, very kind of you.

In many of my soils, as explained many times, I face really deep signals, good coins sounded like iron, and only after removing those 20 centimetres of soil is the signal finally clear.

I will therefore have to figure out whether it is by holding the iron filter at half, or directly at 1, that I will get better results or whether it is the new Audio Gain setting that will give me more satisfaction.

So if I understand correctly, the iron filtering function will have a value from 1 to 8, so, at 1 it's basically off and the iron will be "heard" better by the metal detector, correct? 

Bluetooth headphones work well with theshold only when set to 6 and with a threshold volume of at least 9.

Hopefully they will correct this as soon as possible.

Thanks Rick, I thought it was coming at the end of May or first week of June, but I think he was referring to NM testers not the public.

You guys have a good afternoon (although I think it's 4 a.m. in the U.S.)
I don't know if I am wrong place to post this question, but I wanted to know if there were any "rumors" about the release of the new legend update.

Thanks!

1 hour ago, Tom_in_CA said:

I will not address the part of your post about "Greece", but in-so-far as Italy goes :

 

I corresponded with a hunter from Italy before.  And he had no problem md'ing.  And no ..... the state didn't come to him and take all his finds, etc.....   

 

So I was the "devil's advocate" and linked him to "dire sounding laws" (that sound like what you're saying here) in those European compendiums that people compiled  decades ago .  You know, the ones that purport to list the laws of each European country, and often contain "dire sounding" info.   He just chuckled and said that all the dire things you read there only apply to public land. Not private land.  So "farmer Bob" is free to do whatever he wants on his own land.   

 

And that, besides, when he & his buddies go detecting, that ...... quite frankly ... they are so far out in the boondocks that there's no one one around to care, in the first place.   And so he and many others detect Italy, no problem.

 

And actually , we too, here in the USA, can also not technically keep things we find on public land either (if we wanted to fret ourselves silly enough).  Because technically, it would fall under laws/rules that forbid "harvest", "remove", "steal", etc....  In other words, in the same way that I am forbidden to go take home the park benches, harvest the sod or sand for commercial sale, etc... SO TOO would the same verbiage also apply to coins and rings in the park. 

 

Now does anyone really care, when it comes to routine benign parks, forests, beaches ?  OF COURSE NOT !   But if I asked enough lawyers and bureaucrats "can I ?", I'll bet I can find someone to tell me "no".  And then I could publish that finding in a compendium of laws, and announce :  MD'ing isn't allowed.   Which is why you sometimes have to read between the lines on those compendium guide links. 

You can search in Italy and in the countries I have listed. The problem comes when you find something antique.

If I find a German WW2 helmet, that's it, I restore it and save it, and if I want I donate it to a local museum.

If, on the other hand, you find a sestertius and you don't report it, especially in Italy and Greece (and I think Spain too, but I'm not sure if it's in all regions), you end up in trouble in no time at all.
With the new laws enacted in Italy in March 2022, I can guarantee that the unjustified possession of archaeological property has become a criminal offence punished in an extremely serious manner.

Then, that the controls are ridiculous and you have to do it on purpose to be discovered, you are absolutely right (half of those who get into trouble are the usual heroes of the Internet with their eagerness to appear always and everywhere posting photos and videos of everything they find).
On average, however, those who find themselves in remote areas, I doubt if they report anything to the authorities, and the guy who told you this is right.

I can assure you, however, that all finds must be reported, both on public and private land, in fact there is an absurd law of 1923 that indicates the " underground " and whatever is in it as state property.
At what depth is not clear, and every time you are at the mercy of bureaucrats and absurd laws.

Anyway thanks for the explanation about the laws in the US, I didn't know the part about public lands.

Here in San Marino it doesn't change much anyway, under a certain age you must declare everything, that then the authorities are much less pressing is absolutely true, but it is so small the space of land where you can search, that by now almost everything there was to find, has been found.

I read this topic with pleasure. 
Here in Europe, especially Italy (I'm writing from San Marino but it makes little difference) and Greece the laws are absolutely prohibitive, everything you find belongs to the State, and you have to be lucky that they don't get suspicious and come knocking at your house at 5 in the morning, that's why 90% of the prospectors do beach or militaria. 

In the U.S. I do not know how the rules are, but from the point of view of freedom you are 10 steps ahead, here the archaeologists, let's say they feel a kind of mystical lodge, closed in on themselves, to have a specialized study you have to show up with at least two degrees or you do not even pass half a sheet of paper (and their salaries are paid by the taxes we pay every year) we are talking about military maps from the early 1940s, not the location of archaic tombs. ..

If they could, they would immediately ban even the simple possession of a pipe detector, because they are convinced that detectorists are the ultimate evil. We have had the problem of grave robbers for at least 300 years (and they use Caterpillars, not Minelabs), but for them the real problems are those who go out on Sundays to dig in the trenches of the First World War.

Evidently the desire to actually find things does not go hand in hand with the work they are paid to do.

16 minutes ago, JCR said:

Nokta Makro ha già sviluppato la funzione che chiamano EUD per aiutare ad affrontare la mineralizzazione. È sull'Anfibio e funziona in una certa misura, per quanto posso dire. Forse questo potrebbe essere perfezionato e adattato alla loro piattaforma SMF. Anche l'imminente IB regolabile dovrebbe aiutare un po'.

Absolutely it should help. 
At the end of the day, you're not asking for much of a revolution, just the ability to work on the instrument's internal filters. Iron Bias and Gain for deep sounds should basically solve the issue.

Let's hope so!

I sincerely hope that NM will take into account the problems on mineralised soils.

The bias filters (I'm sure that's what they are) cut out any weak signal in the presence of mineralised soil.
And that's a big problem, I'm squeezing it now, I don't even know how many hours I've got with the detector now, more than 50 for sure, and no matter how much I adjust it, a €1 coin, under not even 20cm on mineralized soil doesn't feel it at all.

I have changed 4 or 5 places (and I want to point out, areas that I have been frequenting for a decade, passed over and over with all sorts of instruments, both by myself and by my fellow researchers), tried various coins and alloys, various positions of the target, and the problem is always there, the filters cut off the signals in the presence of mineralized soil, and I'm not talking about who knows what absurd depths, indeed...

Deus I and Desert Gold 3, two very different machines, with the standard settings have the same problem, but being able to open them (especially under the side of deep sounds and iron filters) they manage in a few steps to return signals decided, clear and sharp, and without having to go searching at the speed of a turtle is clear.
This metal has amazed me for the price and for the Multi capabilities, I do not want to have to give it away for the problems that arise from the point of view of filters, a user, let's say, "expert"; must be able to maneuver the detector even in the most particular aspects.

3 hours ago, Joe D. said:

Benvenuto FT,

   Sono contento che finalmente ti sei unito! Già letto alcuni dei tuoi post/domande sulla leggenda! 👌 Conosco almeno tre dei tuoi connazionali che sono membri qui! Dovrebbero anche avere delle esperienze simili da condividere, ne sono sicuro!

   A un certo punto, vorrei conoscere le tue leggi/restrizioni sul rilevamento delle loro! Ho sentito che può essere piuttosto duro!

Buona fortuna là fuori! 🍀 👍 👍

Absolutely, if you make a mistake you'll end up in front of a judge, and the penalties may not be very severe, but in terms of money it can easily cost you a fine of 2-5 k€, so you have to be very careful.

1 hour ago, locator said:

Hello Flavius. Welcome to the forum.

Is that a picture of the area you're living in? Wow, beautiful. What detectors do you use and what are your most common finds?

Good Luck & Happy Hunting

 

Hi! I own 4 MDs, E-Trac, Deus I, Detech Desert Gold 3 (I also had the previous model), Relic Striker, Nokta Makro Legend the latest.
In the past it was full minelab with the various versions of the Sovereign.

Yes the area you see is the central Apennines, I live in a small autonomous enclave, a small republic, separated from the rest of Italy, near the beautiful Urbino, but here I conduct my research mainly in the mountains between Emilia, Tuscany, Marche and sometimes I climb up to the trenches of the First World War, in Veneto where you can search directly into the trenches of the Great War, of course with limitations to follow.

Answering your second question is hard, the laws in Italy and San Marino are very strict (other than UK, unfortunately), and everything of historical importance must be returned (free of charge) to the State, then that often they let you keep things is another matter, however using metal in Italy, Greece, Spain, France and other Mediterranean countries is a real pain, but you do it for passion so you accept compromises and respect the laws.

Anyway you can find a bit of everything, I am very focused on WW2 and WW1 finds. In the past, on the other hand, treasure hunters were much freer, and only God knows what they find, there was a freer coexistence with the authorities. Today, in the places where they went hunting in the past there is a total ban, but if you ever pass here in Italy, going towards Rome, in the mountains that surround it there are many beautiful and remote villages, in bars and restaurant you can often see on the wall the old slides of the 70's, 80's and 90's, with groups of detectorists showing their "conquests", often you can see things that only in museums a normal person can admire, beauties more unique than rare.
Unfortunately, it is precisely because of this sort of 'gold rush' that nowadays anything you find that is even a little over a hundred years old, you have to hand over to the authorities.

That's why I do military stuff, less truble, more fun and less external pressure, in the end it's a hobby not a punishment, if anything that's the wife!😂

Thanks for the tip on Tersacci, absolutely never heard of it before.

Absolutely, the Iron Bias needs to become adjustable, for me he is the "guilty" especially in a mineralised environment, he misses too many deep signals.

Anyway, this machine reminds a lot the Xp of the early days 😅, with the Deus I, an update almost every 2 months, but just so, nothing is born perfect, then for what I paid for it, it's all right.

Great Clint 💪, I learned English by watching his films when I was a kid, unfortunately actors like that aren't born anymore.

16 minutes ago, JCR said:

Il terreno mineralizzato è sicuramente impegnativo e varia così tanto anche a livello locale,

Le tue impostazioni mi sembrano abbastanza buone. Ho scoperto che un preciso bilanciamento del terreno è importante. Anche il Ground Tracking sembra funzionare bene. Forse un livello di sensibilità più basso e una velocità di recupero leggermente più veloce potrebbero aiutare se stai ricevendo un feedback al suolo.

L'imminente aggiunta di un misuratore di mineralizzazione sarà utile, così come lo Iron Bias regolabile e l'aumento dell'audio del target profondo.

Nel complesso sta andando bene per me in terreni mineralizzati ad alto contenuto di ferro. Ho il Tarsacci MDT per le cose davvero profonde. Continua a sperimentare e a pubblicare le tue osservazioni in modo che possiamo imparare tutti insieme.

 

 

First of all let me tell you that you are the first Texan with whom I have ever exchanged opinions, beautiful land, yours, one day I will come to the USA and I absolutely want to see Texas, I was born with the old westerns of Sergio Leone so you will understand how fascinated I am ...

I admit that before this tool I worked with other machines, and it will be for the still limited customization of the Legend, but I see that there are still improvements to be made, all of them seem to be in the next update (1.08? ) so maybe it will fill the gap that is noticeable on difficult terrain such as the Italian Apennines, full of iron, hematite and super conductive limestone marl, plus let's add that people have been passing through here for a good 3000 years, so the ferrous waste is practically everywhere, from the pegs of the Roman caligae to the buckshot of the first wars between the German Empire and the Papal States. And above all, it's all under several centimetres of earth, since these mountains tend to slide constantly from the summit to the valley (due to deforestation there are considerable landslides all along the mountain line).

Honestly though, I'll take your tip into consideration, see if I can get a few more answers in my tests and try to report them here.

I've often read about the Tarsacci here in the forum (in Europe I don't think I've ever seen or heard of it), but exactly what strengths does it have?

3 minutes ago, Valens Legacy said:

Welcome to the forum and don't be shy about posting some stories with pictures.

You are from a beautiful country so share some of it's beauty with us.

Good luck and good hunting.

I have tons of photos, as soon as I can I'll post some I promise!

Good morning everyone, I finally get to participate in this discussion that I've been following since the beginning.
I'm squeezing the Legend, I'm really taking it to the limit (as far as possible) and I wanted to point out a few things.
First of all, I have noticed that the machine is having difficulties on medium mineralized soils, or rather, I have noticed that if the iron sound is low and a minimum threshold sound is not used, on "hostile" soils it tends not to give a clear signal in depth or even to discriminate it completely, then if you work with discrimination on G, it literally discards the bottom sounds, already at 20 cm, it does not sound at all.
So I've been working on the settings (still updated to 1.07) and wanted to discuss with you what you think of this setting for compact, mineralised terrain:

Mode: Field
Discrimination: All Metal
Sensitivity: Obviously as high as possible
Threshold: around 12, threshold tone at 5
Iron sound: at 8, tone at 5
Reactivity: 2
Frequency: Multi 1

What I am looking for are low conductivity targets, on compact soils, at average depths of 25-40 cm (9 - 15 inc.)

I admit I'm looking forward to the ability to change the audio gain for deep signals, I know it will be in the next update.
Small note, I noticed that often the Goldfield mode goes deeper than the Field mode and certainly than the Park, strange because in theory it only works with very high frequencies even in Multi.

Obviously guys give me an honest opinion and feel free to give me some tips, at the end of the day it's a new machine, and although I've been practicing for many years it's still a complete new for me.