OhioHunter

If using the headphones, turn the volume down on the detector and up on the headphones. Mine sounded distorted when I first got it, turned out I was overdriving the headphones.

I enjoyed the video. Was mostly concerned about coins being knocked out with the BC rejection on the Legend. The 900 and Manticore don't have a separate setting for BC rejection. If I recall correctly, the lower fe on the manticore is meant to do just what it did, reject plate steel. I can't comment on the 2 Euro, not sure where they are supposed to ring in.

Thought this was a great demonstration video of these four detectors.

I'm looking forward to both coils and the update. I'm not afraid to toss some bibs on and get out in the snow. As long as the ground isn't too frozen.

I had to close up shop in early 2015 as far as the electronic cigarettes. China cloned my best selling unit, and I was unable to keep up with the pace the industry was going. Probably a good thing too, I managed to sell over 25,000 units world wide and didn't have an incident that could have caused a lawsuit.

I have lurked this forum for a little while, mostly because someone would reference a topic. I am greatly enjoying the format and atmosphere here. I have been metal detecting for little more than 20 years. I remember a fellow stopping by my childhood home in the early 80's to metal detect our yard. He let me listen to the sound of a coin in the ground I was fascinated! Fast forward 20 years, I was gifted a $99 Bounty hunter for Christmas. I remember using a large spoon in the snow and frozen ground that day! After getting my feet wet with this detector for about a year, I decided that I wanted something better. So I ran to a Wall Mart and purchased a Bounty Hunter 505. I found a ton of stuff for about 9 years with that detector! Found my first reale and large cent with that thing. I even managed a 1877 IHP with that detector! Had a buddy tell me he could clean it up, he toasted it unfortunately 🥺 I started my own business in 2009 manufacturing electronic cigarettes and had a bit more time on my hands. Found a metal detecting forum and soon retired the BH505 for a brand new minelab Etrac. I miss that Etrac! I fell victim to the hype that forums can generate and bought and tried many detectors. The detectors I have used included Minelab Etrac, Garrett Infinitum, Teknetics G2, T2, F75, CTX 3030, XP Deus, Nautilus DMB IIB, Tesoro Sand Shark, Tesoro Compadre, Whites DFX, Minelab Sovereign, Makro CF77, Amfibio Multi, Simplex, and The Legend. I have since reduced my stable to only 3 detectors, Amfibio, Simplex and the Legend. I mostly solo detect parks, schools, and older homesites. Oldest coin is a 1785 reale. Always open to hunting with others in the Knox County area!

Carl made this post on another forum. Worth sharing here. lot of people are opining on this lawsuit without even knowing what the lawsuit is about. The patent in question (US7579839) basically says: "A metal detector with a switched-voltage transmitter (basically all multifrequency designs) with synchronous demodulators (basically all metal detectors) whereby the user can change frequencies." The Legend likely infringes this patent, but then so does the Garrett Apex, XP Deus II, White's V3. and probably models from AKA and Rutus. A question comes to mind: why sue NM and not the others? Possibly because NM has made a significant dent in Minelab sales, possibly because they are perceived as being an easier target, or possibly this is a warm-up for the other companies. The V3 is an interesting case because it would be the first detector to infringe this patent -- the DFX did not, nor did the Fisher CZ, as neither had selectable frequencies. Yet Minelab did not sue White's; they did not even send a cease-&-desist letter (the normal step before filing a lawsuit), I was there at the time. Patent '839 was filed during the development of the V3 and that was in the days of "first to invent" rules, meaning that if White's could show they knew of the concept before the patent was filed, they would be in the clear. And, indeed, that was the case; I recall a development document written by Mark Rowan that predates the patent. If Garrett inherited this document then they can probably fend off a lawsuit as well. Other companies (like NM) may not be so lucky. If they choose to fight the suit they will have to directly challenge the patent, which ain't easy or cheap. But there's loads of prior art to look at, not only metal detectors but eddy flaw detectors, vending machines, and even slot machines. You'd be surprised at what's been patented that uses the exact same technology as hobby detectors. And then there is the question as to whether '839 even rises to patentability based on whether there was an inventive step or lack of obviousness. And I think that last one would be a winner, as synchronous demodulation that follows the frequency selection has been around for decades. But it may be cheaper for NM to simply agree to a licensing deal with Minelab, especially since the patent expires in 2 years. Other comments: Minelab has been fairly successful in lawsuits, and they now have a boatload of patents to pick from. Some are really good patents, some are really weak. Two of the successes came on patent US7310586 (the use of wireless technology in metal detectors) vs White's & XP. It's one of those patents that should have never gotten by the examiner based on obviousness. This is a key problem with the US patent office: examiners who have no idea what they are looking at. It's why prescription drugs cost so much. I don't recall that Minelab sued Fisher. The story I heard is they sent a cease-&-desist letter to Fisher, and Fisher replied with evidence that the CZ did not infringe. Minelab went away, no lawsuit. The Legend is not a copy of the Equinox. It may imitate the Equinox in many ways but that's been the story of hobby detectors since 1960. All of the Equinox's secrets are in software and NM engineers had to figure out a lot of things in order to get even close to an Equinox. The fact that they did so well in their inaugural MF release is simply incredible. Fisher did not invent the concept of MF, neither did Minelab. There is a Westinghouse MF patent from 1972, and another one even earlier than that (don't recall it offhand). I don't recall that White's & Garrett sued each other over VLF motion disc, which was invented by George Payne while he was at Bounty Hunter. White's sued Payne when he left to create Teknetics, and they lost on a technicality: they failed to have Payne sign a second no-compete agreement when he was re-hired from Bounty Hunter. About 2/3rds of Minelab's revenue is from metal detection, and about half of that is from hobby & gold. So, no, it's not a sideline. Minelab is a for-profit business and, in fact, publicly traded so its priority is its shareholders. That's true of most companies. If ML can use the patent system to restrict competition and make more money then that's what they should be expected to do. And if they can create a de facto monopoly then, again, expect that, too. Keep in mind that patents aren't forever, they expire after 20 years. But drug companies have been gaming the patent system by making a minor tweak to an expiring patent and getting another 20 years out of it. Other detector companies can also play this game if they choose. Problem is, most of them are badly lagging ML in R&D and don't have much to patent. Garrett has patents on their ProPointer design that could be used to shut down all the clones but they don't even enforce the patents. I filed several patents at White's and 1 at FTP, probably nothing will ever be done with them. That's the other thing about patents: they only give you the right to sue someone. Doing so has a starting cost of about $100,000 so you better have deep pockets or a guaranteed winning case. Minelab is playing the corporate game like a real corporation, not a mom&pop garage operation. No, the detecting community doesn't benefit from this a

I'm glad I am waiting for some good test before committing to either detector.

Don't purge me please 🥺