Jackpine

Steve do you have a variety of IH pennies to test?  Wondering where the fall in relation to zincers.

Tom

That 14 kHz version has my name written all over it for fresh water hunting. 

Just watched Shellton's video review and he mentions a couple things that piqued my interest.

1.  The audio is not the blendy bleedy  of the Racers 

2. he claims 3 tone is faster than the Deus.

One note to Makro, The adapter for using it with regular headphones needs to be much longer.  From looking at the picture it would be totally useless for wading. Perhaps a choice between  short and long cable versions would be appropriate depending on use.

Tom

Just now, aufarmer said:

I saw a listing of coils on a dealer site:

         5” DD

         7.5” x 4” DD

         9.5” x 5” DD

         11” x 7” DD

        15.5” x 14” DD  

          7” Concentric 

“Coils for Makro Kruzer and Mult-Kruzer.  Not compatible with Gold Kruzer.”

Nice list of coils, although I was hoping for something larger than ther7" concentric for fresh water hunting,

Something like the Mars Tiger coil would make a good choice for fresh water too.

Steve

Do you have a list of available coils?  I'm especially interested in concentric coil sizes.

Tom

That's one heck of a VCO response in Gold mode.  Remember also the pitch can be changed to suit your hearing. 

I guess no answer means that ML hasn't released testers to comment on it.  Possibly  because it was only recently updated into their test machines.  The X-Terra 70 has some iron bias built into the auto ground tracking, acting as an iron filter of sorts.  If similar in operation to the 70 naybe ML discovered that they can get better operating flexibility with it as a separate function.

Tom

57 minutes ago, tsunamiscott said:

I'm thinking lower weighted is a combination of something like, 15kHz and 5kHz, and very low weighted as, 10kHz and 5kHz.

From what Minelab is saying, the single frequencies don't have a significant advantage over Multi-IQ. You may get more depth, but lose accuracy using only 1 frequency.
 

I get what ML says and what Steve H has also pointed out in many posts.    In my case when hunting fresh water I dig iron foil bouncers which may be tiny gold items or deep rings.  ID accuracy doesn't come into play.  What I need is more depth than current single freakers.  Currently I am using the 705 with the 7.5 kHz 9" concentric and a Coiltek cable extension for fresh water hunting.  All metal disc mostly but also using the Prospecting mode at times.

The true all metal prospecting mode makes it a tough act to follow. 

Mitchel

With the Equinox Minelab as you say has looked at and addressed many of the weaknesses  of current technology . The fact that the various operating modes have presets for best operation in differing ground conditions is one of the reasons why ML is a leader in the industry.  I have no doubt this if nothing else will make it a winner.

Tom

7 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Just think if they had already printed the manual.  They couldn't make these changes!  The contents of the box would not conform to the manual and this would set themselves up for 'bait and switch' returns and replacements.

Will we be able to use Park 1 instead of Gold 2?  Beach 2 instead of Gold 1??  

I'll let you know when I get mine.

Mitchel

Mitchel

Your post got me to postulating in my brain several scenarios to compare modes.  The main one is my local fresh water swimming holes. Will the Equinox in any of it various modes be able to hit the deeper hard pan where many targets lay that have been unreachable to me with any of my current detectors?  In my mind, Park 1 and 5 kHz single freq may have the best chance, perhaps Field 1 as well.  While giving up sensitivity to small gold perhaps one or the other will get just a bit deeper on old silver and large gold bands than what I have been able to reach in the past.

I will be finding out.

Tom

4 hours ago, Va Beach Max said:

we have 7 pre-ordered here just for the same reason..... :-)

Welcome aboard Max. 

Steve

If you use one more superlative to describe the Equinox I'm heading out to Reno ASAP and steal your machine.

4 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The Equinox pinpoint automatically ratchets or zeros in on the target.

Thanks Steve and sorry for the diatribe above. LOL

23 minutes ago, Sinclair said:

Keep in mind, that the 800 comes with BT Headphones AND WM08.

To do a better comparison / decision one would need to know the retail prices for those.. !

.. and of course if you need them..

Good points, I would look into BT headphones for sure.  These have good ratings for comfort

Over the ear APTX headphones

47 minutes ago, TreasureGuy said:

I have sat back and read so much about both machines... I have no need for the top end frequencies, and have operated machines in the 600 frequencie range before and they have been great machines. To use all those great machine frequencies at once is what sold me the Multi IQ.. I have no need for Wireless headphones and I would never consider using the 800 full recovery speed settings as noted on certain Russian videos as you lose a lot of depth.. So it's the 600 for me..

 

If Field mode proves effective for detecting small gold jewelry in fresh water then the 600 would suffice for me for that purpose.  I might just go for the 600 and Waterproof headphones at first then upgrading to the 800 after field testing against my hunting buddy who will be getting the 800.

I used the CZ5 for many years fresh water hunting and made some deep ring finds digging the iron foil bouncers.  All it lacked was sensitivity to chains.

Absolutely hilarious.

I seldom use PP so can't talk to the 705's functionality vs other machines.  I do try it with a new detector, but X'ing the target is so ingrained in me I never think of using the pinpoint function.  It's  a wasted feature for me.

One thing that I have not seen pointed out by anyone is the difference between the original X-T 70's  and the 705's audio.   ML attempted to make the 70 a "better" coin machine by doing some tricks to the audio whereby if a target didn't fit neatly in a TID window (ie as round coins tend to do)  then the audio was broken/distorted on jumpy TID targets when using the multi tones.  It was a pain in the posterior for people that hunt by tones and necessitated using only 2 tones  when hunting relic type targets that aren't necessarily round.  I was glad to see the 705 did away with that "feature".  For all I know it may have been a function of the slower reactivity.

This was on an early final production X-T 70 that ML sent me for evaluation.

There were several things about the 70 that were different from what a user would expect coming from other brands.  People that didn't take the time to suss them out were disappointed with the machine and went back to their favorite brands.  ML kept too many things close to the vest with it.  In a way, the release of the 705 might have been partially due to ML seeing the error of their ways.

Sorry for the digression, my original post wasn't clear as my question was how does the PP on the Equinox function vs the X-Terra.

Tom

Steve

Nice silver finds and a big congrats on the Walker and your 2nd Barber.  Hopefully a seated coin is in your future.

Tom

13 minutes ago, dewcon4414 said:

I suspect Pete Anderson will have a better straight shaft.   That again would displace to much water for me.   As far as the CTX having a short lower shaft...... you do know Pete has a travel shaft that is 4" longer?

Exactly, I'm to the point (age) where 5-6 hours is about my limit for water hunting.  Overall the Equinox design looks pretty good as far as drag goes.  Of course a lot will depend on the stock coil design and how well it slices through the water.

Gerry

Does PP ratchet down with each pass over the target or do you do it manually by hitting the PP button closer to the target? Also is there a separate sizing mode as on the X-Terra?

Tom

(4-19 B) Could be the first prototype to go out in the wild to testers like Steve.

GB Amateur

If you are considering a 5x10 coil for your X-Terra I highly recommend the Mars Sniper coil in the dual freq's  of 7.5 and 18.75 kHz.  They get amazing depths equal to the 10.5" ML coils. Using one in 18.75 kHz it is the best nickel hunter I have ever used.

http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,137674

Tom 

2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Details coming soon, I promise. For now, rest assured that target id will be available while in Gold Mode.

That's great news Steve.  I'm sure many are anxiously awaiting further info on the gold Mode.

Tom

Steve

Are you able to talk more in depth about the Gold Mode yet?  Curious as to what if any type(s) of discrimination it employs since there appears to be no true all metal mode available in the lower single freq's.

There are scenarios where I could use the 20kHz Gold mode with some form of disc.

Tom

4 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The Equinox acts as if it is a higher gain detector than the CTX for instance, although I do not know if that is technically true or not.

Hmm.. could be a function of the new multi freq method alone or both in combination.  Either way it has some serious chops.

Tom

Steve

It seems pretty obvious at this point that there is plenty of built in gain allowing for these small targets to be acquired at good depths.  In your opinion is this  a function of higher sensitivity settings with a commensurate increase in gain?  Thinking Omega/F5 here.

Hopefully winter will break and I'll get to use one by:

end of winter

Tom