Jackpine

Keys on top of one of the tires and wallet in the console.  20 yrs water hunting and no problem so far.  My problem is getting in and out of the wet suit that I have to wear due to swimmers itch in public. LOL

Well dang Rick you went and did it.  Now stay up in your territory with that thing.  JK

I'd bet with the GMX Sport you could clean up on the small necklaces and bracelets I'm sure are lying around at the "sand bar" that elude the rest of us.

See ya later

Tom

So very sorry to hear of his passing.  Condolences to the family.

2 hours ago, Johnnysalami1957 said:

Update is final! Should be up tonight according to their Facebook page. Yay! Something to do. 

Link to update info and download

Software Update

On 2/3/2020 at 7:27 AM, LE.JAG said:

the electronic part / the pcb
had been frozen the first time
in january 2019
but the leap forward,
spectacular obtained in May 2019
on rejection mode = closing of all holes on gold detection
and possible 24k detection (in rejection mode)

led to an upgrade of the PCB (serial version frozen in October 2019)
it would have been stupid (for FTP) not to do so...

the only problem left
and delays launch is purely mechanical
for once, FTP is not really at issue
it is (it was) a part under contract
easy to guess which one (don't ask me ....)

I now things move slowly at FT but is is obvious to me that at this point it is more than a mechanical issue.  I'm beginning to doubt whether the AQ as it is currently will even launch.

It's been said the the Q in Multi-IQ stands for some kind of electrical thingy.  That is actually just an old wives tale.  What it really stands for is the Aussie version of the UK's Q Branch.  They differ in that instead of Aston Martins they modify Utes with machine guns behind the blinkers.  Currently they are working on adding an invisibility cloak to JP's Ute. 

12 hours ago, phrunt said:

For me it's simple like I am 🙂

If I use my T2 or my other single frequency detectors for a coin hunt I will miss targets due to it's unstable ID's, I dig by ID as I dig in areas I don't want to put a million holes digging all targets.  The T2 probably picks everything up fine but it's ID's can be wild.  I have to circle every target with it finding just the right angle where the ID clears up to get a dig-able target, if this even happens.   It's just so time consuming working out if you want to dig a target when there are so many targets available and you just can't dig 1000 holes.

The Nox and Vanquish don't seem to need targets to be circled, any angle is a good angle and for me in my mild soils the ID's are virtually always bang on, incredible how accurate they are.  I don't have to try average the numbers in my head to get to an ID unless it's a very deep target and even then the averaging is obvious. The number I see as the ID is virtually always the number of the target, it's that simple.  Maybe it's because I'm lucky to have mild soils, but no other detector for me has such accurate ID's.  The Gold Bug Pro comes second for ID's but still not even close to a match for the Nox/Vanquish and it still needs targets circled to clear up most ID's.

The deeper targets on the Multi-IQ machines instead of getting wild numbers deviate a little, so a silver coin that should ring up 15 it will go 15, 14, 15, 15, 15, 16, 15, 14, 15, 16, 15, 15, 16, 14, 15, 15, 15, 16, 14, 15, 15, 15, 14, 16 so it's pretty obvious it's worth digging when it's showing very deep on the meter, it's averaging around 15 with it being the middle number.

I just go with a small list of numbers I want to dig (silver coins and UK classic coins) and if I only dig those exact numbers I'll do just fine with the Nox or Vanquish, I can't do that with any other detector that I've owned.

Again, this is just my experience in my very mild soils but its' the reason I love multi-IQ so much.

That says it all for me.   The first time I used the 800 and compared it to single freq detectors in the 12Khz and above range that is exactly what I saw.  That said, in really tough conditions is where experience comes in, but for the everyday user and most all finds I totally agree.

Nice "out of the park" hit. 👀

I did similar yesterday scoring a 1914 Buff a few feet over the outfield fence at an old softball field.

On 4/24/2018 at 10:04 AM, MineBlab said:

OK, here is a sound analysis of an air test of a nickel and a square tab (the blue screen at the lower part of the image).  Both were swiped at the same speed and same distance from the coil. You tell me which is which. Not trying to argue here, just demonstrating.

Also watch (and listen) to this:  Same soil as mine. Just talking about sound here, not VDI jumping.

 

So there's nothing in the 94Hz signal that's different, I can understand that but spread out the spectrum at and above 94 over time.

I'd like to hunt against someone that uses 50 tones and compare perceived target audio quality and detectibility of a variety of targets in situ against those 50 tones vs my 5 tone setup for high conductors and old nickels.

Sube

Use the Nox. Be one with the Nox.  If it still doesn't give you confidence, move on.

On 4/3/2020 at 10:32 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

G2+ is currently $699

https://www.tekneticsdirect.com/products/g2-plus

I prefer the grip on the G2+ by a small margin but find the S rod to be slightly more compact/a little easier to stuff in a rucksack. Having gone from the S rod on Gold Bug Pro to the pistol grip G2 on my last go I’m inclined back to the S rod at this point, but it’s a tough call now for me. But some have a stronger preference for sure.

Steve

The listing you posted is the same one I saw and with the code it's 449.00 with free shipping.

I'd get the G2+ over this due to the pistol grip setup.  It shouldn't take much shopping around to match the $399.00 price either.

Gotta love a gold machine that uses concentric coils.  The 24K gets some great reviews for an IB machine.

Am I right that they have a waterproof version out now? 

Hey Mike

If nothing else you prompted me into pulling mine out from long term storage (under the bed) putting in batteries and firing it up for a few minutes.  Batteries are now out and 8500 back in storage  I remember all the flack about the audio.  Guess I can get used to anything because I had no problem with it.

Tom

On 1/23/2020 at 3:20 PM, fredmason said:

AMEN....

my best friend of 51 years up and died last week.... I expected he would outlive me by 20 years...it was not to be

fred

Fred

I'm sorry for the loss of your friend.  Coincidentally I also lost a lifelong friend just over a week ago.

No word on Acc coils yet as far as I can find.  Water hunting season starts in May up here in NW Michigan so they still have time to sell me a Simplex and a 9" concentric. 

On another note 'tecting is gonna have some competition this year as I'm looking at getting a dirt bike this spring to bomb around on in the woods before I get to old to enjoy it.

Over the years I found my share of gold rings mostly consisting of mens bands so I have a good idea of the TID range they will hit based on size, weight, thickness (cross section) and width.  Compared to every other TID machine I have used the Equinox is an outlier.  Rings that should hit in the Nickel range hit in the upper tab range,  Medium size bands hit zinc penny where with other machines that would be a lunker Class ring or large heavy high karat gold band. 

14K gold is not a high conductive target, Alloyed gold such as 14K is actually lower in conductivity than either of the constituent metals of gold and copper.  Do these high readings have something to do with Multi-IQ?  It's real and is consistent across every ring I have found.  I don't understand what aspect of the Nox causes this.  Rings are the perfect shape for generating eddy currents and so are generally easy targets for a metal detector but what is going on here with the Nox? I am at a loss to explain it.

16 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

It is this Apple-like walled garden approach to accessories and partitioned-off product lines that is driving me to ML’s competition in certain situations.  For example, I would have gladly bought a V 340/440 or a V 540 Pro if that was the only way ML would have allowed me to get my hands on a V8, V10, or V12 coil provided they were compatible with Equinox.  I could have justified the unneeded detector purchase based on the fairly low overall cost and could have relegated it to backup or newbie training duty.  

Without that coil compatibility incentive, I have absolutely no interest in Vanquish, otherwise.  Simplex looks attractive to me because it is inexpensive, high value (high performance to cost ratio), is technically diverse from Equinox and Deus (my main units) so I can see scenarios where it could detect something my other units might miss, has compatibility with the Nokta accessory universe (wireless headphones and the Pulse Dive pinpointer), and I know Nokta is listening to its existing and prospective customers in regards to desired features and accessories.  

ML had an opportunity to make a sale on a detector that was quite literally useless to me and has missed its opportunity through close mindedness, arrogance, and/or greed or whatever.  That is a potentially fatal flaw that will not necessarily be always overcome by fielding superior tech and innovation.  

If ML is going to go down the “we know better than you route”, they better keep innovating or they risk Nokta doing to them what Nokta and ML are about to do to Garrett.

Totally agree, I have absolutely zero interest in the Vanquish.  The Simplex however meets my needs and expectations. 

18 hours ago, DDancer said:

Or swiped it from mom and dads jewelry box 😉 pocketed it and took it to school to show off.  Lots of strange things can show up in school yards.  Never know the truth but its fun to speculate.  Its one of the things I enjoy in metal detecting~ the thought of "How did this get here?" and "Man that person must have been upset when they lost this..."

I've found a fair collection of foreign coins old and new over the years.  They can turn up anywhere even water hunting.  I seldom hunt school yards but have found 2 Britannia large pennies hunting them.

Nice find on the KG.  That ship pin could very well be just as old.

 Met up with Rick the other day at the site of an old fairground to see if there's anything left there (it's been pounded for years) .  Right off the bat  the Nox hit a solid 13, I crossed the target and checked it PP mode and they agreed on the location.  Flipped the plug and nothing, dug another few inches and my pin pointer showed nothing in the bottom of the hole .  Checked the sides and there it was a 1905 V nickel on edge at about 4".

It's a good thing the NOX is hot on nickels and Indian Heads as I just can't seem to get the coil over silver. 

I believe the key to success with the new F2 mode is mitigating audio fatigue.  The other day I was hunting an old beat to death site with good success using F2 2 and recovery speed 4.  Anything lower than 4 was overload for my ears and what I mean by that is the slightly longer drawn out iron responses creating a cacophony of noise.  I was hunting at my normal sweep speed as well.

Note: watch out for old nickels hitting just below the normal nickel 12-13 bounce.  Got a 1905 V that was mostly a solid 12 but bouncing to 11 as well with a bit of iron in the plug directly above the nickel.  Reminded me of the Fisher CZ 5 where you dig all nickel foil bouncers in old sites and parks.  I have had good success on old nickels using park 1.  Tom D had stated Park 1 is good for nickels and he's correct on that IMO.

I don't believe a la carte is doable for detectors.  Perhaps a base unit where you can select from a few (perhaps 3 or 4) packages would work.  they have to consider profit margins and the Simplex I'm quite sure would not be here without the profit from the high end units paving the way.

Very few automakers offer a la cart any more.  You buy a trim level or package. If there is desirable stand alone option you want, often times it requires purchasing a certain package to get it.  It's all about profit margins.

Chase  

What compromises and limitations?  It is what it is. VCO audio will be new to some users however, it appears to be implemented properly with a well modulated response.  Other than that I see none.  By all accounts from a performance standpoint it appears to be a winner.

2 hours ago, Noah (FL) said:

Hey Jackpine....When you get the Simplex let us know how the volume with the waterproof headphones compares to the Kruzer.  Hopefully they used a better amplifier so we don’t have to still struggle with volume in windy/choppy conditions.  

Will do.  However someone else will most likely beat me to it as water hunting season is over up here.   I'll probably hold off the waterproof phones until I see what else becomes available.