Vortex Pre-Order

[maxxkatt]

I am like you. I had a steep learning curve going from the AT  Pro to the 800. I tried to use all the advanced settings on the 800 and got myself in a lot of trouble by hunting with a detuned detector.

With my XP Deus 2, I stick very closely with factory programs with only adjusting sensitivity, reactivity and audio response depending on the type of hunting and the nature of the hunted site.

I think with most of us we never really grid a site properly unless we have a good reason to do so. Missing a good target by a few inches is as good as a few feet. I think that has more to do with missing targets for that reason than missing targets due to depth capabilities or lack of advanced features on our detector.

I have watched some videos on youtube made by some pretty good detectorists and their XP Deus 2 go terrain saved maps indicate anything but gridding on their hunts with wide gaps in their zig zag paths they are making during their hunts.

I found more civil war relics with my AT Pro than my 800 during the same amount of years. Quite simply I hunted more with the AT Pro because with the 800 I was always trying to learn the 800 at local parks nearby. Had I spent the same amount of time in the 800 stock program Field1 or Field2, I probably would have found more relics with the 800. I thought that if I just learned the 800 or worse used the other person's settings I would find the magic and have the key to unlock the secret of finding good CW relics. I have found the secret, it is not advanced features but just get out to your CW relic sites and hunt and dig everything. Funny thing, many experienced CW  relic hunter told me as much years ago.

 

 

[Noah (FL)]

Has Garrett released any new info on a ship date for the production model?   I haven’t seen anything other than the notice they sent to dealers last month.  

[DSMITH]

5 hours ago, Noah (FL) said:

Has Garrett released any new info on a ship date for the production model?   I haven’t seen anything other than the notice they sent to dealers last month.  

I spoke to the dealer I placed my pre order with a couple days ago and he said he has not heard anything as of yet, he said he will let me know as soon as he hears anything as I am sure many other dealers will also let people know

[IBMe]

Better hear a knock at the front door pretty soon. Starting to squirm.

[Chase Goldman]

5 hours ago, IBMe said:

Better hear a knock at the front door pretty soon. Starting to squirm.

Realistically it’s probably going to be at least another month, so you might want to chill.  That’s based on how management and marketing grossly underestimate how long it takes to generate, debug, test, and fix/optimize code based on tester feed back (rinse, repeat as necessary).  Then load it on the production units, and we still haven’t seen an issued manual.  Converting weeks to months gives you a closer estimate of actual completion time. OnJuly 24, about a week and a half after the initial “mid-July” release announced by Garrett at the Vortex Launch extravaganza, Garrett then said in their update announcement that new feature adds would delay release for a “few more weeks” - reality check translation “at least two more months”.  So I wouldn’t expect anything before the last week of September.

[DSMITH]

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Realistically it’s probably going to be at least another month, so you might want to chill.  That’s based on how management and marketing grossly underestimate how long it takes to generate, debug, test, and fix/optimize code based on tester feed back (rinse, repeat as necessary).  Then load it on the production units, and we still haven’t seen an issued manual.  Converting weeks to months gives you a closer estimate of actual completion time. OnJuly 24, about a week and a half after the initial “mid-July” release announced by Garrett at the Vortex Launch extravaganza, Garrett then said in their update announcement that new feature adds would delay release for a “few more weeks” - reality check translation “at least two more months”.  So I wouldn’t expect anything before the last week of September.

If they get the Vortex out by the End of September that in my mind will still be pretty dang quick, look at how long the Nox 600 and 800 took after they were announced not sure how long it took the Manticore after Mine Lab announced it, then also the Legend took a few months after it was first announced to all of us, so if Garrett gets the Vortex out in less than 3 months that to me is a Record, they would have beat Mine Lab and Nokta in how quick they get the Vortex to market after it was announced to all of us, and its not like all of us don't have other detectors we can use LOL

[Chase Goldman]

4 hours ago, DSMITH said:

If they get the Vortex out by the End of September that in my mind will still be pretty dang quick, look at how long the Nox 600 and 800 took after they were announced not sure how long it took the Manticore after Mine Lab announced it, then also the Legend took a few months after it was first announced to all of us, so if Garrett gets the Vortex out in less than 3 months that to me is a Record, they would have beat Mine Lab and Nokta in how quick they get the Vortex to market after it was announced to all of us, and its not like all of us don't have other detectors we can use LOL

The thing is, you can't really compare these folks against one another.  There is nothing that says you need to announce your product before it is ready for release or before you have a good idea when it will be ready.  When to announce your product is completely under your control.  In reality, there should be no reason to have to significantly gap your announcement and your release - you simply wait on announcing until you are sure your software and hardware is tested and ready.  The problem is many of these companies lack the experience at upper management levels to really be able to independently judge how close to fully baked their software is, relying on their developers to make the call while they may be under pressure to meet artificially established deadlines with marketing pressure.  Why Garrett thought they had to announce in mid-June rather than waiting for a more mature product is a mystery to me.  No imminent product announcements from anyone else, summer beach season was a lost cause, and Christmas is months away.   Anyway, Apex was announced in May 2020 and finally released in late September of 2020, as another data point.  I was actually quite surprised that Garrett stated mid-July during the Launch Announcement for Vortex.  It made me think they were A LOT further along than they apparently actually were.  

[Noah (FL)]

26 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

 It made me think they were A LOT further along than they apparently actually were.  

I think they probably were on track for the July release, but they felt it necessary to go back and add settings that the critics were being vocal about the absence of.  As the saying goes…..the squeaky wheel gets the grease.   Hopefully it doesn’t backfire on them?? 

[Chase Goldman]

35 minutes ago, Noah (FL) said:

I think they probably were on track for the July release, but they felt it necessary to go back and add settings that the critics were being vocal about the absence of.  As the saying goes…..the squeaky wheel gets the grease.   Hopefully it doesn’t backfire on them?? 

If the base software was actually in a mature, ready for release state, the features that they described that they were adding (additional tone options, truncated ferrous limits) should not have been that difficult to incorporate.  My cynical take is that it appears to make for a convenient excuse to justify delays that were going to happen regardless.  Not bashing Garrett here becauses it is what it is, just trying to keep my release expectations realistic.  I've seen this same story play out repeatedly in industry - it's not unique to Garrett.  Just have to be patient, Garrett should get there but it might take longer than anyone expected.