Nokta's New PI Machines

[phrunt]

They had a naming contest, no way could someone guess the name Magnetar referencing the active magnetic sensor technology so my guess is it's just the name for prototypes and the real name will be the favourite from the naming contest.

[VicR]

2 hours ago, phrunt said:

They had a naming contest, no way could someone guess the name Magnetar referencing the active magnetic sensor technology so my guess is it's just the name for prototypes and the real name will be the favourite from the naming contest.

I get where you are coming from and it makes sense but a design right only protects the overall visual appearance of a new and distinctive product. Nokta did not have to put a name on the visual representation of their new detector in the design right application ie like Minelab  was silent on the name for the  GPX6000 in their design right application - so why go to the expense of coming up with an interim stylised name "Magnetar" if you are not going use it?

Anyway - whats in a name? I think we will be more interested in its specifications, the total product offering, price and how well it performs rather than the marketing surrounding the product.

[Chase Goldman]

11 hours ago, VicR said:

Anyway - whats in a name? I think we will be more interested in its specifications, the total product offering, price and how well it performs rather than the marketing surrounding the product.

Unless a marketing/trade name snafu is causing the release delay.  Then we do care what’s in a name because it implies an avoidable unforced error.

[VicR]

13 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Unless a marketing/trade name snafu is causing the release delay.  Then we do care what’s in a name because it implies an avoidable unforced error.

Dont worry - being in product development and manufacturing for 30 years i know there are plenty of other things that can go wrong to delay a product launch - naming rights are way down the list. After the order had been placed to manufacture - i would always reflect and double check everything thinking what haven't we thought of thats going to throw a spanner in the works. But sometimes its entirely out of your control - best one i had was  when the container fell off the ship with our first production batch. Its called Murphy's Law.

[Desert Dawg]

The main things I am concerned about is, will the new machine be able to run large coils if desired? Up to 20" and 25". For deep gold. A lot of the new pi's right now settle out at 14x9 for power, perhaps the 15x12 giving a tad more depth at best, past that little to no gains using larger coil sizes, this is due to small coil charge capacitors, look inside a gpx5000 if you want to see the size of high performance coil charge capacitors. Massive compared to other machines on the market today. Allowing big coils if desired. 

[phrunt]

it does appear the focus of modern PI's has moved away from big deep gold, ironically the first PI's seemed to be excellent at that already and you could go use one of those early Minelab PI's, throw on a big coil and find some big deep gold (if it's still there) these latest and greatest will probably miss entirely.  I can't see someone on a quad bike with a 6000 towing along a 6000 coil 🙂

I think the main goal was more sensitivity than being able to hunt tiny gold, a lot of big specimens are now being found that were out of reach before with earlier models, and by adding this extra sensitivity much smaller gold is being found.

The likelihood of a new owner going out and finding gold with one of these more sensitive machines is also much higher being able to hit the more common smaller gold better.

If I was using one of the very early Minelab PI's in my area now I would be lucky to find a couple of bits a gold a year and would have given up long ago but these newer ones generally pop up something every time out.

A combination that does both very well is already there, the GPZ, and a new GPZ may be on the way at some point. 

I think the Nokta is going to be more like a 6000 with the gold it is best on, I'd be surprised if it was a 5000 with 6000 sensitivity, although that would make it a hot seller.  Remember the weight of it is right there with the 6000, I think it was even suggested its lighter, I can't recall.

People will be comparing it immediately with these latest PI's and their sensitivity and to many that's what will matter, I'm one of those people that would prefer it be following the path of the other modern PI's with great tiny gold sensitivity.

[Aureous]

The crazy thing is, we CAN have it all. Settings change, pulse code (timings) change, frequency change, Tx & Rx gain control and coil change all alter the bias of the detector. If Nokta want to blitz the competition, all they have to do is offer these options in one detector. Make it compatible with legacy GPX type coils and voila!.... its a killer on all types of gold. Tiny gold sensitivity AND big gold depth are ALL achievable. Make it half the price of ML's current offerings and the entire market is then in Noktas grasp. All they have to do is engineer such a detector by analyzing current tech and all the best mods available today. They have had 3 years to do it and we know they are capable. Still we wait....

[Desert Dawg]

Yes tiny gold seems to be the downfall of the gpx4500-5000. Though you can buy a 8x6 current MK2 sadie for it, looks like there is a dropping off point somewhere, perhaps 2-3 grains in wt  for the classic machines, however that could be cured by just buying the new GM2000 vlf/pi hybrid once it comes out and running two machines over same ground. Pretty much what I been doing but the hybrid should be a better tiny gold option than most on the market now. 

[IBMe]

Not much, but a little info.